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MOTIVES For the Colorado Theater Murders ?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2012 09:28 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
It was as if he was thinking of himself as a skilled warrior. Doing it was good, doing it right was so much better. He wanted us to all understand that he is a smart guy who could have made a major contribution to the collective. What was the final straw I wonder..what turned him to the dark side?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2012 09:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
tune in tomorrow... as the news gets even more accurate.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2012 10:44 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
"We will make sure that you are better challenged with us"


Given your inability to view serious issues in an objective fashion, Farmer, it's scary to think that any student would be better challenged under your tutelage.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2012 10:51 pm
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He recently took an intense three-part, oral exam that marks the end of the freshman year of the four-year program there, but university officials would not say if he passed, citing privacy concerns.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-colo-suspect-planned-massacre-months-033025968.html

I my thesis is correct he did very poorly....he once had lots of potential but had flamed out.

Obviously I will be watching to see if I am proven correct. I often am.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2012 11:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
To discuss the meaning and motives of his crime, of course we have to at least talk about why he might choose The Dark Knight Rises as a backdrop (and possibly a template) for whatever private fantasy he was enacting. And maybe there should also be conversations about what it means that the economics of the film industry are driven almost entirely by the fantasies and desires of young men, and what effect that kind of over-representation in pop culture might have on … the fantasies and desires of young men.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2012/07/aurora_shooting_the_parallels_between_the_world_of_dark_knight_rises_and_our_own_.html

Living in a real world where the constant message of "men suck!" is all around and where women have been advantaged over them at every turn of course men's fantasys turn to dark power. If young women would **** better and more often without emasculating their men this might change however. Older generations of women knew that even if women were running the show men must be left with our dignity. Young women largely no long give a **** about mens feelings, they have been taught that to do so is patriarchal oppression.

THANK YOU FEMINISTS!
aidan
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 01:42 am
Oh wow! Now women are even to blame for this guy's mental break from reality?

In terms of his motivation, I think he must have been:

1)inwardly seething with anger - maybe his entire life
2)dissociated to the point that he could dehumanize others so completely that he could calmly and coolly take their lives, as if both he and they were characters in an action film.
3)bored by the real world and/or his life in it
4)delusional

I'm really interested to hear why his mother immediately said that she was not at all surprised to hear that he'd done this and that she instinctively knew they had the right person when they told her it was her son who was responsible.

That's a different reaction than is usually given by the parents of most of these people who do this sort of thing. Usually they are shocked and devastated and state that they had no idea their child would have been capable of something like this. He must have projected a different persona at home to his parents than that which he showed the world (before Thursday night/Friday morning).
That might give a clue as to what his motivating triggers to do something like this were.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 01:59 am
@aidan,
Quote:
I'm really interested to hear why his mother immediately said that she was not at all surprised to hear that he'd done this and that she instinctively knew they had the right person when they told her it was her son who was responsible

the validity of this report remains to be seen

Quote:
On Friday morning, police escorted the suspect's father from the family's San Diego home. The mother stayed inside, receiving visitors who came to offer support.

San Diego police spokeswoman Lt. Andra Brown spoke to reporters in the driveway of the Holmes' home, on behalf of the family.

"As you can understand, the Holmes family is very upset about all of this," she said. "It's a tragic event and it's taken everyone by surprise.

http://www.newser.com/article/da05e0no2/suspect-in-colorado-theater-shooting-was-brilliant-reserved-science-student-seeking-doctorate.html
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 02:12 am
@aidan,
aidan wrote:

Oh wow! Now women are even to blame for this guy's mental break from reality?

In terms of his motivation, I think he must have been:

1)inwardly seething with anger - maybe his entire life
2)dissociated to the point that he could dehumanize others so completely
that he could calmly and coolly take their lives,
as if both he and they were characters in an action film
.
3)bored by the real world and/or his life in it
4)delusional

I'm really interested to hear why his mother immediately said that she was not at all surprised to hear that he'd done this and that she instinctively knew they had the right person when they told her it was her son who was responsible.

That's a different reaction than is usually given by the parents of most of these people who do this sort of thing. Usually they are shocked and devastated and state that they had no idea their child would have been capable of something like this. He must have projected a different persona at home to his parents than that which he showed the world (before Thursday night/Friday morning).
That might give a clue as to what his motivating triggers to do something like this were.
Concerning your point #2,
I infer that he gassed them and shot them BECAUSE thay were human.

Otherwise, he 'd just have gone hunting
for deer or cougars, bear or gone fishing.





David
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aidan
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 03:03 am
Yeah David - that's what I meant. He treated these human beings as if they were animals to be hunted and killed for sport- he DEHUMANIZED them to the point that their lives were worth as little to him as an animal's.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 03:11 am
@aidan,
aidan wrote:

Oh wow! Now women are even to blame for this guy's mental break from reality?



That's not surprising considering the source.

From what I've heard about his sudden purchase of munitions it seems that something caused him to act on all this slow burning resentement. That event may not even have appeared that significant.
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aidan
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 03:13 am
@hawkeye10,
I don't know what to tell you - in every report I've read she's been 'QUOTED' as having said that.

But yeah - maybe all the reporters are making up the same thing....who knows?

Also - this sheds a little more light on the situation for the mother's statement (if it's accurate) and what may have been one of the causative factor behind the son's behavior- maybe the mom contributed and/or supported this charity because of difficulties and propensities her son exhibited- maybe that's why she wasn't so surprised by what he did:


Quote:
'On the back windscreen of what is believed to be the family's car was a sticker that read: "To Write Love on Her Arms". That is the name of a charity that works on the issues of depression, addiction, self-injury and suicide.'

(from the article msolga linked on another thread)

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boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 07:12 am
@Miller,
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Why? Just maybe, James decided to do one thing that he wasn't being forced to do. He was going to be his " own man".

The causative factor...the missing link was probably the total lack of communication between James and another human being, who would be willing to listen to him.

Sometimes, individuals are silent types, because no one cares enough to listen to them. Not because they have nothing to say. And sometimes, these individuals end up killing many others because of that.


It's all very "The Virgin Suicides" to me.

Despite running into it again and again, I'm still surprised by the number of people who mistake compliance for self control. The idea that A Good Boy (or girl) is one that does as they are told really bothers me. I think being A Good Boy leaves lots or room for rich, revenge fantasies of being their own man.

I have a feeling that James Holmes was a compliant boy.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 10:33 am
@boomerang,
Quote:
Why? Just maybe, James decided to do one thing that he wasn't being forced to do. He was going to be his " own man".

The causative factor...the missing link was probably the total lack of communication between James and another human being, who would be willing to listen to him.

Sometimes, individuals are silent types, because no one cares enough to listen to them. Not because they have nothing to say. And sometimes, these individuals end up killing many others because of that.
boomerang wrote:


It's all very "The Virgin Suicides" to me.

Despite running into it again and again, I'm still surprised by the number of people who mistake compliance for self control. The idea that A Good Boy (or girl) is one that does as they are told really bothers me. I think being A Good Boy leaves lots or room for rich, revenge fantasies of being their own man.

I have a feeling that James Holmes was a compliant boy.
Yeah. I see your point,
but it might also be improper chemistry in his brain.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 10:41 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
aren't you the one who keeps yammering on about life after death?
I 'm the one; what about it?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 10:42 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
but it might also be improper chemistry in his brain.

Unlikely in these kinds of cases generally, and given his high functioning level these last months unlikely in this case.

But possible.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 10:52 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Everybody who has ever called for the building of monuments to the victims instead of the heros or bought a trashy celeb hype mag at the checkout counter has had a hand in misforming this guy, has been part of his very bad education.
No. I don 't read them,
but if I bawt one, I'd not be forming him.





David
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aidan
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 11:10 am
They're saying now that he thinks he's actually IN the movie - still now - as if sitting in the jail in solitary confinement is part of this movie:

World News Syndicated Batman shooter James Holmes 'acting crazy', spitting on guards in jail
Quote:
James Holmes is said to be keeping up his murderous "Joker" persona in jail, where inmates are plotting to kill him.
Source: AP MOVIE massacre suspect James Holmes is "acting crazy" in jail and his fellow inmates are talking about killing him, the New York Daily News reports.
Mr Holmes was taken into custody after the horrifying attack on a Batman movie premiere in Colorado that left 12 dead and 58 injured. According to the Daily News, he is being held under suicide watch in solitary confinement in the Arapahoe Detention Centre.
The newspaper was told Holmes is still acting out his "Joker" persona. "He hasn't shown any remorse," a jail employee said. "He thinks he's acting in a movie."
One released inmate told the News Holmes had been spitting at guards and at his cell door. "Dude was acting crazy," the inmate said. Another inmate predicted "he won't live to see Monday's court appearance" if he was let out among the general prison population. .
On his first night in jail the other prisoners serenaded him with a chant of "kid killer", referring to the six year-old girl who died in the attack.
"All the inmates were talking about killing him," Wayne Medley told the newspaper as he left the prison.
"Everyone was looking for an opportunity. It's all they could talk about." He was reportedly led to his cell in handcuffs and leg shackles with a red towel over his head, saying nothing.
The windows of the cell were taped over to hide him from view.
Meanwhile, a six-year-old video has emerged showing Mr Holmes as a thin teenager wearing an oversized shirt and occasionally breaking into a slight, shy smile.
America's ABC News has aired the video showing Holmes speaking at a science camp at Miramar College in San Diego when he was 18.
His presentation is on "temporal illusion", which he defines as "an illusion that allows you to change the past". He says he studies subjective experience, calling it "what takes place inside the mind, as opposed to the external world".
A woman who introduces Mr Holmes says he wants to become a researcher and make scientific discoveries. She says his dream is to own a Slurpee machine, eliciting laughter from the audience and a smile from Mr Holmes.


URL: http://able2know.org/reply/topic-194323
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 12:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I fully expect that we will find out that he could not hack the education course he was on....the long expected road towards rewards and making an impact closed and he had no plan B. Empty, going nowhere, with no idea of how he was going to get somewhere through hard work he decided to go the celeb route. Tonight there are hundreds of thousands of young males thinking "cool idea dude, and you were the first one to think of doing a Nicholson Joker stunt in a movie theater....TWO THUMBS UP!"
U think that there r so many sadists against the victims, huh ?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 12:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
U think that there r so many sadists against the victims, huh ?


there are so many disfranchised young males, who all their life have been taught that men suck and who have few prospects for a decent life or even a decent ****. It will not take much to turn them to the dark side, to get them to use their talents for evil, as they have largely been denied the opportunity to use them for good.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2012 01:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2012/07/aurora_shooting_the_parallels_between_the_world_of_dark_knight_rises_and_our_own_.html

Living in a real world where the constant message of "men suck!" is all around and where women have been advantaged over them at every turn of course men's fantasys turn to dark power. If young women would **** better and more often without emasculating their men this might change however. Older generations of women knew that even if women were running the show men must be left with our dignity. Young women largely no long give a **** about mens feelings, they have been taught that to do so is patriarchal oppression.

THANK YOU FEMINISTS!
I have never recognized those concepts,
of alleged advantages, etc. chics "running the show" "dignity" etc.
Those concepts have never been part of my world; no problem.
I sure am glad that I was born male.





David
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