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Does Obama actually understand business?

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 09:12 am
@McGentrix,
Anybody with a lick of sense can see that Obama wasn't referring to the business, he was referring to the roads and business.

Quote:
Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.


"That" refers to "roads and bridges."

The only way this gets any traction is to chop off the part about roads and bridges.

revelette
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 09:22 am
The sentence was an unfortunate words choice, imo, however the rest of the speech pretty much explains what he meant by it.

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OBAMA: [L]ook, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the GI Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together.


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Not everyone can afford to go to private schools which is why more people go to public schools. More than likely more small business owners and middle class Americians went to public schools. If they are later successful in life, a good deal of the credit also goes to the teachers who taught them. So it is a good idea to invest in public education by paying taxes. It don't always work, but at least it gives people who otherwise couldn't afford to go to school a fighting chance to succeed in life.

That is just one example, but that is pretty much what he meant.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 09:23 am
@McGentrix,
I don't generally believe any lobbying group who claims to represent a large number of people. They almost always have heavily inflated that number for their own purposes, or they are claiming to 'represent' people who have nothing to do with them.

I think the point is - they are posturing the way a politician would, for their own gain. It puts their name out to Conservatives like you who like to read stuff like this on right-wing websites, and tries to help Mitt change the subject a bit from his recent problems. It's not what you would call a complaint to be taken seriously.

Cycloptichorn
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:11 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Anybody with a lick of sense can see that Obama wasn't referring to the business, he was referring to the roads and business.

Gah. Should read "roads and bridges."
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:48 am
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Mitt Romney is deliberately taking President Obama’s words out of context in order to distort the President’s record of support for small businesses. Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, the President offered a robust defense of public investment in infrastructure.

Romney decided to selectively edit President Obama to make it appear like the President was insulting small businesses: “[President Obama] said this, ‘If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.’ That somebody else is government, in his view ... To say something like that is not just foolishness, it’s insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America, and it’s wrong.”

But it’s Romney’s statement that’s wrong—it’s a complete distortion. Here’s what the President actually said:


“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

The President’s full remarks show that the “that” in “you didn’t build that” clearly refers to roads and bridges—public infrastructure we count on the government to build and maintain.

Romney can try to manipulate those words into a political attack, but the facts belie the smear: President Obama has continuously fought to help small businesses grow by cutting their taxes and making it easier for them to invest in American jobs. Here’s how:

18 tax cuts for small businesses: The President signed 18 tax cuts to support small businesses, providing $200 billion in tax relief and incentives for America’s businesses over the last three years.


Record volume of small business loans last year: President Obama has also supported nearly $80 billion in loans to more than 150,000 small businesses since 2009, including a record volume last year.


Tax credits to support hiring: On top of the 18 tax cuts, President Obama wants to provide a 10% income tax credit for nearly 2 million businesses who hire new employees or raise wages. He also wants to extend 100 percent expensing for all businesses in 2012.


President Obama knows that small businesses are the “cornerstones of America’s promise, the idea that if you’ve got a dream and the work ethic to see it through, you can succeed.” And as he noted in Virginia, “when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative but also because we do things together.” That is why the President is committed to building an economy that invests in education, infrastructure, and innovation alongside strong business growth.

In contrast, Mitt Romney has a record of bankrupting businesses and laying off workers to make a profit as a corporate buyout specialist. His attempt to take the President’s words out of context and turn it into a political attack cannot distract from his record of fighting against the middle class.


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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 04:55 pm
@DrewDad,
I actually think you are correct but since you invariably jump on comments taken out of context, tough ****.

The Great Orator seems to make a lot of such " mistakes" when he's speaking without a script rolling on a teleprompter. Poor baby.

In any case, the gist of what he was asserting is not substantively changed by acknowledging he didn't actually mean that people with businesses didn't build their own businesses.

One need only rewind to his comments about smart and hardworking people.

He "has to laugh" when he hears people with businesses credit their success to their smarts. He has to laugh?

Yes there are plenty of smart and hardworking people " out there," but there are not plenty of smart and hardworking people who are willing to risk it all and start a business.

Our economic system rewards these risk-takers and rightly so. Without them there is no innovation, no new products or services, no growth. More fail than succeed and so to keep them trying the reward has to be sufficient.

You know what positions the smart and hardworking risk adverse folks have? Corporate Executives.

The only individual characteristics Obama values are his own and those of his loyal followers. he laughs at those of everyone else.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2012 08:14 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
There are plenty of smart and hardworking people that have started businesses that failed.
Smarts alone doesn't create a business. Hard work alone doesn't create a business. Smarts and hard work don't create a successful business. It requires more than just that person as Obama stated. Any businessman that doesn't recognize that should forgo all government services and see if they can compete at all in the marketplace. They will not be able to.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2012 08:27 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I actually think you are correct but since you invariably jump on comments taken out of context, tough ****.

If the Republicans push this, they're just going to have their asses handed to them. It plays well to the base, but Romney needs to be playing to the middle at this point. Oh, wait, he can't do that until after the convention, when he gets to shake his etch-a-sketch.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The Great Orator seems to make a lot of such " mistakes" when he's speaking without a script rolling on a teleprompter. Poor baby..

Tell that to "end-of-quote" Romney. Your guy can't even get it right when he does have a teleprompter.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

In any case, the gist of what he was asserting is not substantively changed by acknowledging he didn't actually mean that people with businesses didn't build their own businesses..

No, only the gist of what McGentrix was asserting.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
One need only rewind to his comments about smart and hardworking people.

He "has to laugh" when he hears people with businesses credit their success to their smarts. He has to laugh?.

Go tell it to the mountain. I have to laugh when you people are flailing around trying to come up with something, anything, that will get some traction in the media.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Yes there are plenty of smart and hardworking people " out there," but there are not plenty of smart and hardworking people who are willing to risk it all and start a business.

Our economic system rewards these risk-takers and rightly so. Without them there is no innovation, no new products or services, no growth. More fail than succeed and so to keep them trying the reward has to be sufficient.

You know what positions the smart and hardworking risk adverse folks have? Corporate Executives..

Did you just call Romney a coward?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The only individual characteristics Obama values are his own and those of his loyal followers. he laughs at those of everyone else.

I certainly laugh at you.
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revelette
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2012 09:40 am
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Mitt Romney and the conservative blogosphere are pushing a selectively edited Obama campaign speech to suggest that the president believes that the government is responsible for the successes of small businesses.

Obama’s full remarks, which pointed out that taxpayer-funded infrastructure and services enable businesses to prosper, are demonstratively true and represent a sentiment shared by Republican leaders. For instance, Mitt Romney himself made an almost identical point during his speech at the Opening Ceremonies of the 2002 Winter Olympics, crediting the community for helping individuals achieve the pinnacle of success:


ROMNEY: You Olympians, however, know you didn’t get here solely on your own power. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities.

Obama echoed this sentiment in his misquoted campaign speech on July 13: “The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together,” he said.

Romney agreed with Obama as recently as last week, saying in a campaign appearance, “I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help.”


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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 07:50 am
@revelette,
Team Romney should probably be called Team Cognitive Dissonance.

Mitt Romney holds 'you didn't build that' event ... with federal contractors
Come for the stupidity, stay for the hilarious tweets.





In related news, they also don't seem to vet the folks in their ads very well.

Star of Romney Ad Did Receive Government Assistance

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In a Mitt Romney ad last week, a stern Jack Gilchrist of Gilchrist Metal Fabricating tells President Obama that his family -- and not the government -- built his company.

But John DiStaso reports Gilchrist "did receive some government help for his business" in 1999 when the company received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds "to set up a second manufacturing plant and purchase equipment to produce high definition television broadcasting equipment."

In addition, Gilchrist Metal received a U.S. Small Business Administration loan of around $500,000 in the 1980s and has received several sub-contracts from the U.S. Navy.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 07:52 am
@DrewDad,
And it seems that Romney even agrees with Obama:

Quote:
"You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power,” said Romney, who on Friday will attend the Opening Ceremonies of this year’s Summer Olympics. “For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].”
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 10:04 am
@DrewDad,
Quote:
In a Mitt Romney ad last week, a stern Jack Gilchrist of Gilchrist Metal Fabricating tells President Obama that his family -- and not the government -- built his company.

But John DiStaso reports Gilchrist "did receive some government help for his business" in 1999 when the company received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds "to set up a second manufacturing plant and purchase equipment to produce high definition television broadcasting equipment."

In addition, Gilchrist Metal received a U.S. Small Business Administration loan of around $500,000 in the 1980s and has received several sub-contracts from the U.S. Navy.


Wonder if he forgot?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 10:13 am
@revelette,
I'm sure his thought process is .....

Welfare is what the other guy gets. The government owes me for my hard work.
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 10:28 am
@parados,
I've been around some people like that. My in-laws are all republicans and can't stand Obama. Half of them are retired and receive SS and some are on disability. Yet you would never know it from the things they say at the dinner table.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 10:28 am
@DrewDad,
it's almost like the Romney campaign is setting up ads that the Obama campaign can use
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ZREX
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 10:58 am
@McGentrix,
Rush limbaugh does this all time too, drives me crazy. The one sentence referenced does seem derogatory and out of touch with business. When taken instride with the rest of the speech makes sense. President Obama also said In the same speech "that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative "...... President Obama was talking about the symbiotic relationship of everyone working together. No one aspect is solely independant of the others.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 11:05 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

And it seems that Romney even agrees with Obama:

Quote:
"You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power,” said Romney, who on Friday will attend the Opening Ceremonies of this year’s Summer Olympics. “For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].”



No he doesn't. This is a good example of skewing the message. They use similar words so therefore they must be the same? Nonsense. Where does Romney say the Olympians have to thank the govt?

Did Bolt not win the Gold Medal because he was running on a track made by someone else? Seems like all the runners ran on the same track. Did Bolt not win the gold medal because he wore clothes? All the other runners had clothes... What exactly is the difference between Bolt and all the rest of the runners then?

Talent, genetics, determination, training.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 11:11 am
@McGentrix,
I suppose all of the swimmers practice in the lake rather than a community pool, and the track-and-field folks practice on the family cow pasture instead of at a school....

No man is an island. Even Robinson Crusoe had equipment he salvaged from the shipwreck.

That's the message of Obama's speech, and that's the message of Romney's speech.

Bottom line, they agree on the fundamental fact that we succeed better when we have support.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 11:16 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

I suppose all of the swimmers practice in the lake rather than a community pool, and the track-and-field folks practice on the family cow pasture instead of at a school....

No man is an island. Even Robinson Crusoe had equipment he salvaged from the shipwreck.

That's the message of Obama's speech, and that's the message of Romney's speech.

Bottom line, they agree on the fundamental fact that we succeed better when we have support.


That is so far away from Obama's point as to be actually funny. Obama's point was that successful people should pay more taxes. They can thank their success on all the backs of those other people that labor away doing things like building roads and bridges... which are paid for by tax dollars, not because some dude got bored and decided to build a bridge one day. So, because successful, wealthy people can count their success on the backs of others, they should "give back" in the form of more taxes!

Now, please, explain to me how that message is the same as Romney's.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 11:52 am
@McGentrix,
when all you care about is the lower taxes, of course the message is not the same...
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