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Does Obama actually understand business?

 
 
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 01:42 pm
@DrewDad,
It used to be that way but things have changed in the last 30 years.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 01:45 pm
@Linkat,
How far do you think the last president Bush would have gotten without the previous president Bush?
Linkat
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 01:48 pm
@RABEL222,
huh? I'm not talking about any particular president or their objectives - just that I do agree that some of what was stated in the speech is not really how businesses operate.
Linkat
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 01:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Somebody invested in roads and bridges.


Of course it applies to small businesses - especially the small business I am referring to - this particular business uses roads daily....

From what I read - he is referring to businesses - all.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 01:57 pm
@Linkat,
The question is do you think he made it on his intellegance or on his daddys name.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 01:59 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

Quote:
Somebody invested in roads and bridges.


Of course it applies to small businesses - especially the small business I am referring to - this particular business uses roads daily....

From what I read - he is referring to businesses - all.


Your response here seems as if it's quoting me, but I didn't write the sentence that you have in quotes - it actually doesn't appear in the post you are responding to at all. I'll just assume that was in error.

It's the sentence that Obama said directly before the one we have been discussing, and yes, it makes it pretty clear that he's referring to the fact that somebody else invested in and built the roads and bridges - not the small companies who drive over them every day, and profit off of their usage. There is no other way to read that without willfully mis-representing the point he was trying to make.

Cycloptichorn
Linkat
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 02:00 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
No I'm quoting from the sentence you refered me to.

N0t really - you said this proves he wasn't referring to small businesses. And I said that did not make sense, it refers to all businesses.

And although he isn't referring to people, it does refer to people too as they all use roads - to me it really doesn't make sense as this is an equalizer. We all use to - it isn't like a big business or small business gets any advantage to it. I use the roads to drive to work so I am thankful for this success otherwise I wouldn't have a job.

Linkat
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 02:04 pm
@RABEL222,
Is he running a business? I've never once pointed to any president, I am talking about running a successful business.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 02:16 pm
@Linkat,
Not now, but he did run some unsuccessful businesses. Just before he ran the government and the economy in the ground.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 02:19 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

Is he running a business? I've never once pointed to any president, I am talking about running a successful business.

I think the point is you can't point to a single business, small or large, that doesn't rely on government services to help it in some way. Those services are paid for by many and when a business insists government stops paying for those services they will be in for a very rude awakening if government does stop providing those services.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 02:29 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

No I'm quoting from the sentence you refered me to.

N0t really - you said this proves he wasn't referring to small businesses. And I said that did not make sense, it refers to all businesses.

And although he isn't referring to people, it does refer to people too as they all use roads - to me it really doesn't make sense as this is an equalizer. We all use to - it isn't like a big business or small business gets any advantage to it. I use the roads to drive to work so I am thankful for this success otherwise I wouldn't have a job.


This quote is being mis-represented by the right-wing media to prove that Obama 'hates business.' Here's the whole relevant section:

Quote:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.


I can't imagine that you would argue with the point Obama is making here...

Cycloptichorn
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 03:17 pm
Quote:
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.


Some people are not aware that there are others with them here on this planet. Don't pick one of them to be your boss.

Joe(the worst)Nation
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 04:21 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen'
I am actually a bit surprised to see a sitting President make a series of statements like this... Can you guys help me understand this statement because it's just not true at all. Having customers and employees does not make a business successful. Making a product that people want, thus becoming customers and hiring people to actualize your goals and further your business does not make it happen. It's the owner that makes a business successful. Somebody else does not "make it happen".

If that is the case, I would really, really like someone else to make my business successful. That way I don't have to do anything else but collect the money.

Any volunteers?


Obama likes the power and status of the presidency and so does Michelle. He really likes the adoration of The Faithful that laugh with joy and applaud madly at every inane comment he utters.

He is in a very tight race for the presidency and his opponent has to a large extent defined himself as business personified.

Since The Expected One will not and cannot run for re-election on his dismal record he has only one strategy left to him: Destroy his opponent. It's the very strategy his Campaign blithely announced very early on. (So much for changing the way Washington works!)

Combine Obama's inherent loathing for businessmen with his need to destroy Business personified and you get (and will continue to get) comments like these.

To the extent that he is concerned about being seen as inciting petty envy in the people he hopes will vote for him, he offers justification to the grasshoppers demanding that the ants give them their hard earned winter store: They were just as responsible, if not more responsible, for the businessman's success than the businessman himself (or herself - damn these sexist pronouns!).

It is a thinly veiled reinforcement of the notion that the rich are only rich because they misappropriated the wealth of those who are not rich. How else could they have amassed such wealth when no one person can be responsible for success?

The collective spirit of his collective focused droogs, both on A2K and in the real world, are stirred by the resonance of his collective rhetoric. Call it Marxist, or socialist or any of the numerous codes, like social justice, that have replaced these verboten terms, it's all the same thing: A means to incite the worst in people in the guise of inspiring the best; in order to enable a small cadre of elites to hold incredible power.

Democracy and the American Constitution are such a drag on this goal and on getting things done (just ask Tom Friedman) and so we see the appointment of Czars and Executive Orders galore.

Republicans are not wielding the political power that the Framers invested in our system to make tyranny difficult, they are obstructing the "Will of the People" as The One defines it. Never mind that 50% or more of Americans don't agree with The One's policies.

If Obama has given us an Imperial Presidency in his first terms, just imagine what we can expect in a second; when he doesn't have to worry about a pesky re-election, and he has more flexibility.

Every four years there is no shortage of people telling us that the country is doomed if so-and-so is elected to the presidency, and after Reagan not only proved my (irrationally youthful) fears of a cataclysm wrong, he turned those fears on their head, I took the regular predictions of doom with less than a grain of salt.

This time is different though. The concerns I had about Obama winning in 2008 have been vindicated. Those concerns weren't existential, but they were severe and he hasn't proven me wrong. My concerns over a second term are greater, because this guy is so narcissistic that he is capable of anything.

I expect his supporters to scoff at such fears and I don't blame them, but there is nothing about America that prohibits the rise of a tyrant. Hopefully there is a lot that prohibits their remaining in power, but if we have ever had the embryo of a tyrant in the White House, we do now.

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 07:30 am
Looks like the NFIB didn't like Obama's speech either.

Quote:
NFIB Responds to Obama’s “you didn’t build that” Statement

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

WASHINGTON, D.C., July 16, 2012 — The following statement is the response from NFIB President and CEO Dan Danner to President Obama’s declaration over the weekend that “If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

“What a disappointment to hear President Obama’s revealing comments challenging the significance of America’s entrepreneurs.

“His unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.

“I'm sure every small-business owner who took a second mortgage on their home, maxed out their credit cards or borrowed money from their own retirement savings to start their business disagrees strongly with President Obama's claim. They know that hard work does matter.

“Every small business is not indebted to the government or some other benefactor. If anything, small businesses are historically an economic and job-creating powerhouse in spite of the government.”
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:13 am
@McGentrix,
Oh no! A lobbying group that gives heavily to Republicans has something bad to say about the president! How will Obama ever respond?

Cycloptichorn
parados
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:39 am
@Cycloptichorn,
The funny part of that statement is it undermines the argument that it is the rich that create jobs.

Actually, it's those that take out loans, mortgage their house etc that create jobs. The kind of people that don't make $250,000 a year are the ones that create jobs.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:41 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Yeah, they only represent 350,000 small businesses. Nothing to see there I guess.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:44 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Yeah, they only represent 350,000 small businesses. Nothing to see there I guess.


They say they represent that many businesses. You have no idea how many they actually represent.

The fact that they are a lobbying group who gives heavily to Republicans is, it appears, unchallenged by you.

I think your second sentence above is accurate: there really is nothing to see here, other than a little bit of desperation and some favor currying.

Actually: are you and your business a member of this group?

Cycloptichorn
parados
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:46 am
@McGentrix,
You mean about 1% of small businesses are members? WOW!!!

I guess the non members must be the 99% again.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 09:08 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I didn't realize I had challenge you on them being a lobbying group who gives heavily to Republicans. Theoretically, they are a non-partisan group, but they do give heavily to Republicans. In fact, 12 members of congress, all Republicans, are members of NFIB. They do have a solid presence in D.C. though.

As far as their membership numbers go, what reason do you have to doubt the number? If they are going to just claim a number, why not claim 2 million?
 

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