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Romney's offshore investments

 
 
hilbert
 
Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 06:30 am
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Much of White House hopeful Mitt Romney's fortune lies well-hidden in a network of opaque offshore investments including some US$30 million (S$38.01 million) in the Cayman Islands, Vanity Fair reported on Tuesday.

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Money/Story/STIStory_818358.html
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 09:39 am
@hilbert,
this is going to be an interesting ball for Mitt to carry. I believe that the DEMS will not make too big of an issue unless the economy shows real signs of recovery
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 11:50 am
More legal tax evasion by people who characterize themselves as good patriotic citizens.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 06:05 pm
@RABEL222,
Unless the timing and circumstances are favorable, I dont think the Obama campaign will drag this around to embarrass Mitt. Its too abstract an issue for average USers.

What he did for clients and then benefitted himself would be very attractive to a base of conservative leaning non committeds.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 07:55 am
@farmerman,
All the Obama campaign has to do is ask how much are you like Romney?

How many off-shore accounts do you have?
How many dancing horses do you own and did you take your $70,000 each tax exemption already or will you wait for your extension to expire and file it then?

When your kid graduated from college, did you gift the graduate ten million dollars or were you really swell and go for the cool twenty mill..... .?

Joe(Please check your answers and hand your papers in)Nation
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 10:12 am
@Joe Nation,
I was wrong, the Obama campaign is aready using the "offshoregate" as foder.
Obamas talking heads are asserting that he is the first and only candidate to have off shored significant holdings and , therefore, what could he possibly have in common with the middle class.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 10:16 am
@farmerman,
My guess is that their focus-grouping is showing success when pointed attacks are used to define Romney in a way his campaign wouldn't like.

Obama will follow it up with his current bid to end the tax cuts for the highest class of earners; this puts Romney in a box. Will he hold the tax cuts for the middle class hostage to those of the rich, even though it might crash the economy to have expire? Or will he defy the Congressional GOP, and say that there should be no hostage taking?

Cycloptichorn
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 10:17 am
@farmerman,
Yes, and the morons are already asking "Why wasn't this an issue for John Kerry?"

As long as it means they guarantee Romney will have as much success as Kerry, I guess it's okay by me.

Joe(Question 6: How did you choose which of the blind trusts you have to place the three million dollars you didn't declare last year? )Nation
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revelette
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 01:51 pm
Swing states poll: Amid barrage of ads, Obama has edge

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In a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of swing states, an overwhelming majority of voters remember seeing campaign ads over the past month; most voters in other states say they haven't. In the battlegrounds, one in 12 say the commercials have changed their minds about President Obama or Republican Mitt Romney — a difference on the margins, but one that could prove crucial in a close race.

At this point, Obama is the clear winner in the ad wars. Among swing-state voters who say the ads have changed their minds about a candidate, rather than just confirmed what they already thought, 76% now support the president, vs. 16% favoring Romney.
(more before and after at the source)



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revelette
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 10:18 am
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Charlie Cook and Washington establishment miss the point of Bain attack ads

Charlie Cook, a font of Washington wisdom whom I respect, has followed in behind the new meme that the Obama Campaign's attack on Romney's business record and personal finances amount to a personal attack, rather than one on policy grounds.

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It isn’t clear when the Romney campaign plans to introduce its candidate to the voters, to have his sons talk about their Dad, or to have Ann Romney talk about her husband. Maybe they plan to hold off until the convention. But if I were running, every day that undecided and independent voters in swing states were getting pounded with ads portraying me as an awful person, I’d think I would want some testimony to contradict it. I’d want to have someone telling those voters what kind of person I am and why I am worthy of their support. But what do I know?


I beg to differ with that bit I bolded.
The reason this is business, not personal, is because Mitt Romney says that it is his experience as a businessman that justifies his election and policies, whatever they are. Mitt Romney isn't out touting any idea or policy prescription for the economy beyond a number of typical Republican talking points about big government, etc. etc. His main argument is that President Obama doesn't understand the economy, and that by way of his personal success in leveraged buyouts, he does. He is offering himself, not his policies, as the prescription for what ails the country. Mitt Romney doesn't talk policy. Mitt Romney is the policy.

Therefore, it is only fitting to vet Mitt Romney. Thoroughly. That is exactly what the Obama Campaign is doing. It would be political malpractice to do otherwise. It is a disservice to the country for the media to do otherwise.

For example, Mitt Romney says he knows what to do about taxes. What exactly does he propose to do about them? Consider the famed carried interest loophole. Mitt Romney says he isn't in favor of raising any taxes, including closing the carried interest loophole, which he himself benefits from significantly. He has been squishy about where he stands on it and offers no real definitive position on the matter. He also rejected the proposition when asked would he accept any deal with Democrats that provides a ten to one ratio of spending cuts to tax increases to control the deficit. Therefore, it only stands to reason that Romney will only cut spending. But he has also pledged that he will increase Defense spending significantly but declined to provide any detail about paying for it. These things can't possibly add up. But does Mitt Romney talk about these things out on the trail? No. Does he offer them up as a policy that will make the economy grow? No. So what is his point exactly? Who knows. His basic position is "trust me." Whenever he's asked, he simply returns to the mantra that the president has failed and he knows what to do because he's a rich businessman. One can't have a policy debate with a feather. We need to see weight. If he wants the American people to just trust him on these things and pay no attention to the details, then it is worth finding out if he's trustworthy. Thus, we need to see his tax returns and business documents. We need to examine all facets of his business record. He invites this with his plea for trust.

On every single major issue, be it creating jobs, immigration, healthcare, foreign policy, trade with China, you name it...Mitt Romney doesn't have a solution he's running on. He's simply saying "i'm not Obama...trust me." That's not going to cut it. That's why he's losing ground in the swing states.

Mitt Romney is making his own bed. He is the one lying, both literally and figuratively, in it. If his policy prescription is himself, then attacking him is by definition attacking his policies. A thorough examination of his policy (himself) is just business, not personal. However, if Mitt Romney wishes to have a serious policy debate and doesn't want any more talk about his business background and personal trustworthiness, then he should lay some serious policies on the table and run on them.

6:06 AM PT: BTW, I also take issue with the idea that simply sending Mitt's family out to say what a great guy he is will fix his Bain and tax problems. That should be obvious to a guy as smart as Charlie Cook.


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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 01:57 pm
Remember when election campaigns were only 3-4 months long and candidates were able to get their message out in the small span of time...

Why rush in and give responses right now? What's the rush? Do you really think swing voters are going to decide NOW on whom to vote for in 4 months?

Doing so give Obama the ammunition he might need to attack Romney whereas right now, it's Romney with the ammo and Obama is just throwing **** at a wall and hoping something sticks.

The debates are where to say what your position is. No sense in letting Obama's teleprompter give him the answers to questions now. Sit on it and let em stew.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 02:08 pm
@McGentrix,
Even you aren't old enough to remember when Presidential campaigns were only four months long, or maybe you are. You are speaking of the times when the candidates didn't speak of or at each other until both conventions were over and even then, things really didn't get going until after Labor Day and the kids were back in school.
September and October, barely enough time to have four debates and head to the polls.
Were we better informed in 1960?
I don't know. We read three newspapers a day in our house and I still am not sure.
Now we have the 24 hour new cycle:
Quick what was the most crucial news item of last Tuesday?

No one can tell you, it was very important then, now it's in the vapor and (this IS crucial) stuck in the back of some viewers' brains.
Just a few.

Joe(just enough)Nation
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 04:05 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:

Why rush in and give responses right now? What's the rush? Do you really think swing voters are going to decide NOW on whom to vote for in 4 months?


Oh, I think some of them certainly do. And remember, it's not just about what the answers are, it's people's perception of whether or not someone is trying to duck a straight-forward question.

If you see Romney on the news, and he is refusing to answer a simple question, it just doesn't look good - period. Even if it's smart politics to do so.

I think you ought to also consider the very strong possibility that Romney is refusing to answer quite a lot of policy-related questions now, because he intends to pivot to the center pretty hard at the end, and is afraid of losing the base if this is revealed too early on.

Cycloptichorn
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Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 06:12 pm
Of those citizens that have Romney's wealth, what percentage might have off-shore money? It might just be what real wealth does, in context of a US that is quite different than what the US was one century ago. Not everyone may want to go down with the ship, so to speak, patriotic or not. Especially, if a sizable percentage of the ship's current occupants are really functioning as ballast, in my opinion.
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jcboy
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 06:37 pm
Hey don’t be too hard on Mitt. The man believes in America, which is why he invests in the Caymans.
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jul, 2012 08:24 am
Mr. Romney’s Financial Black Hole
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jul, 2012 04:34 pm
@jcboy,
Indeed.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/romney-believe-in-offshore-accts.jpeg

Cycloptichorn
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 07:35 am
Mitt Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he stated
Firm’s 2002 filings identify him as CEO, though he said he left in 1999

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Government documents filed by Mitt Romney and Bain Capital say Romney remained chief executive and chairman of the firm three years beyond the date he said he ceded control, even creating five new investment partnerships during that time.

Romney has said he left Bain in 1999 to lead the winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, ending his role in the company. But public Securities and Exchange Commission documents filed later by Bain Capital state he remained the firm’s “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president.”

Also, a Massachusetts financial disclosure form Romney filed in 2003 states that he still owned 100 percent of Bain Capital in 2002. And Romney’s state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.

The timing of Romney’s departure from Bain is a key point of contention because he has said his resignation in February 1999 meant he was not responsible for Bain Capital companies that went bankrupt or laid off workers after that date.

Contradictions concerning the length of Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital add to the uncertainty and questions about his finances. Bain is the primary source of Romney’s wealth, which is estimated to be more than $25o million. But how his wealth has been invested, especially in a variety of Bain partnerships and other investment vehicles, remains difficult to decipher because of a lack of transparency.

The Obama campaign and other Democrats have raised questions about his unwillingness to release tax returns filed before 2010; his offshore assets, which include investment entities based in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands and a recently closed bank account in Switzerland; and a set of “blind trusts” that meet the Massachusetts standards for public officials but not the more rigorous bar set by the federal government.

Romney did not finalize a severance agreement with Bain until 2002, a 10-year deal with undisclosed terms that was retroactive to 1999. It expired in 2009.


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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 04:35 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/599942_10150925444338244_551719848_n.jpg
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 04:54 pm
@McGentrix,
Man, that's weak.

"I lied to the SEC and all I got was the Republican Presidential Nomination."
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