It looks like Arafat was murdered by the Israelis after all. No surprise there.

@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You're the one who constantly displays casual racism. What is going on in Israel/Palestine has absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust, although Israel does use the Holocaust to justify the brutal occupation of the West Bank, and seige of Gaza.

I do not think we both subscribe to the same definition of "racism." I just value American lives over foreign lives. That is not racism, since it is not based on race, but on one's national citizenship. And, as you know, the U.S.A. has every race as citizens.

You see the term "Holocaust" is just a simple word to explain the effect of the two-thousand year learning curve, in Christian Europe, to hate the Jews. It really could have happened in any country, meaning Germans are not demons; they just had modern technology to do a more effective job than prior atrocities against Jews in other countries. So, if one believes that Jews should just get with the program, and assimilate, which would end their outsider status, and end the need for a Zionist state, I cannot agree with that opinion, whether it is your opinion or not. But, since as a secular Jew, I would like to see fellow Jews have a place to live where they do not have to be the minority outsiders, in a world with intractable anti-Semitism, I would like to see Israel handle the aggressive hate that the Arabs have towards them, going back to the early Zionists during the Ottoman Empire. It did not all start in 1967; it started back in the early 20th century.

P.S.: And, might I remind you, as a nice Goyisha guy, you have no dog in this hunt, so to speak, other than perhaps the "dog" to show your "emotional" community of Moslems that white Brits do side with them, so rioting will not occur, like many a Brit must be fearful about. Just my guess. And, yes, I have heard your plaintiff cries of humanistic concern towards the Palestineans' plight, and you feel their pain, so to speak. However, there are bigger human rights violations in the world, yet you choose to focus on that little island of Jews and Arabs? I'm sure you have a good explanation for such incongruity, in my opinion.

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@Foofie,

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the aggressive hate that the Arabs have towards them

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And how would you feel if any group came and started stealing your property at will? Without any legal right to fight for your own property? In all honesty, can you say you will never become a terrorist against those who steal your property? Or, are you just blinded by your own bias for Jews?

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Do jews have the moral right to steal Palestinian land?
didnt the[ promsed land ] belong to some one else befor the took it?

what right did they have to take the land away from others
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to me morality sais i dont have the right to some one elses property, to me respecting others is being moral

i ment the invasiion of cannan by moses and his crew, following some dictates of some [god] that said invade cannan...... i give you that land.

many lands were taken by force,like the english and the indians,but i dont think it was ,a moral act.

wether god suposedly said to do it or they just wanted the [land of milk and honney] because of greed,or some other reason?
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i had this questian in the politiacal/ethecs and legal section,mabe not the right one? but all i saw there was curent legal questions about tenent and landlord disputes...it was in the wrong section so i moved it back here
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No one said it better (imho) than Knight. I've always believed that had the modern Israel came to exist in a more peaceful and moral manner, we wouldn't have a quarter of the problems we have today. Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims co-existed quite well in what is now known as Israel, and never had problems except during the Crusades and when, as mentioned before, the UN took control, and then the European Jews bombed them and took control (Irgun and Lehi, Jewish terrorist groups).

I'm highly surprised at the lack of historical knowledge when it comes to Israel and Palestine. Makes me think that people believe what they're fed just because it supports their bigotry or racism towards Muslims and Arabs, because there's so much out there that proves the opposite of what they think.

And while I'm thinking of it, there are even Jews who oppose the state of Israel, by declaration that the Torah strictly forbids a Jewish-run state.
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/index.cfm
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

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@Foofie,

You're a narcissist with a persecution complex and that colours your judgement.

You're incapable of facing up to the truth of the occupation, so you attempt to attack the motivation of those criticising Israel. Israel tries to paint all of its critics as anti-Semitic, this is a common tactic.

Your argument that there may be worse attrocites committed elsewhere gives a free rein to evil, by that logic we shouldn't lock up any murderers because Jack the Ripper was never brought to justice.

Those regimes that may be committing worse attrocities do not enjoy favoured nation status with the EU. They don't present themselves as liberal western democracies with similar values to our own. They don't cower western news outlets into broadcasting their narrative. Right now we're being told the current conflict is a result of provocation by Hamas, where the truth is that it began with an Israeli incursion that resulted in the death of a twelve year old Palestinian boy.

As long as that happens the West is complicit in Israel's crimes, and we cannot criticise human rights abuses by other nations and look the other way when Israel does it.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
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the aggressive hate that the Arabs have towards them
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And how would you feel if any group came and started stealing your property at will? Without any legal right to fight for your own property? In all honesty, can you say you will never become a terrorist against those who steal your property? Or, are you just blinded by your own bias for Jews?

If I am blinded by my "own bias for Jews," it is within the context of the blinded bias against Jews in Europe and the Middle East. Meaning Jews do not have a place, other than Israel to live in a world where Jews are not relegated to certain useful professions. You know, Jewish garbagemen, Jewish police, Jewish construction worlkers, etc. Notice that with the atrocities that Germany and Japan perpetrated on the world, both countries still have Germany and Japan for Germans and Japanese to enjoy as their own homeland. And, naturally Arabs have more than one homeland, if one doesn't play the nationalistic game.

And, let's not ignore that the goal of the collective Arabs is to eliminate Israel. That was the goal of the four wars since 1948. The Palestinean debacle is just so much diversion. Unless of course the goal is to keep dividing up Israel to give the Palestineans (aka, Arabs) more land, and eventually Israel is just a Jewish neighborhood, and we both know how neighborhoods can change. Sort of like the towns in Poland that once had a Jewish population.

Do you really think the Arabs will ever willingly accept a Jewish state in their midst?

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You're a narcissist with a persecution complex and that colours your judgement.

You're incapable of facing up to the truth of the occupation, so you attempt to attack the motivation of those criticising Israel. Israel tries to paint all of its critics as anti-Semitic, this is a common tactic.

Your argument that there may be worse attrocites committed elsewhere gives a free rein to evil, by that logic we shouldn't lock up any murderers because Jack the Ripper was never brought to justice.

Those regimes that may be committing worse attrocities do not enjoy favoured nation status with the EU. They don't present themselves as liberal western democracies with similar values to our own. They don't cower western news outlets into broadcasting their narrative. Right now we're being told the current conflict is a result of provocation by Hamas, where the truth is that it began with an Israeli incursion that resulted in the death of a twelve year old Palestinian boy.

As long as that happens the West is complicit in Israel's crimes, and we cannot criticise human rights abuses by other nations and look the other way when Israel does it.

Go tell another American.

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@Foofie,

The thing is Fluff, you specifically ask me a question about my motivation, then go off in a huff when you don't like the answer.

I'm not partulary interested in engaging in debate with you any way, you have a very limited world view, which seems to be based around crude racial stereotyping, and turn every debate into a discussion about you.

You trot out the tired old lie about Arabs wanting to collectively destroy Israel without knowing anything about what motivates Arabs and what they want. How could you know what they want, intellectually you've never stepped out of your own back yard?

It's very convenient to blame everything on Arabs who hate Israelis just because they're Jewish, but it's wrong. Israel is a nation born in terror, and the persecution of the Palestinian people has been ongoing from day one. What's happening in Gaza now is just an extreme example of that terror.

Israel is not the victim, it's the perpetrator.

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@izzythepush,

They don't even understand "perspective." There are over one billion Muslims in this world; they are not out to destroy Israel. That's only in the mind's eye of those Jews with limited vision; bigots.

I have visited Central Asia where the majority are Muslims; they are peaceful people with well educated children who speak multiple languages. I doubt most of them give any thought to Israel.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I'm not partulary interested in engaging in debate with you any way, you have a very limited world view, which seems to be based around crude racial stereotyping, and turn every debate into a discussion about you.

You are still miscontrueing "racial stereotyping" with "national stereotyping." You have the same genome as the beloved WASPs in America. However, as a citizen of your island nation, I do not trust your motivations one iota. You just are a citizen of a country I have no interest in. So, that goes for its citizens too.

Stop talking race. Every race is in the U.S.A., and if they are citizens, I am concerned with their welfare. My concern usually stops at the border (except perhaps for Canada and Mexico). That may sound incongruous, considering I am pro-Israel. Not really incongruous; in their contest with the Arabs, I just want them to be the winners. No different than rooting for a specific football team from one's country. Perhaps, ethnocentric, but not racial.

Would you try to show a fan the error of a fan's ways because he/she roots for a football team that you do not root for? So, their is nothing racial in my sentiments. I have no racial attitude towards Arabs; however, apparently I am being accused of this. They are are smart, or perhaps smarter, than many a European. They did make much progress in maths. It was pretty hard to do maths with Roman numerals!

Now. Begone with ye.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

They don't even understand "perspective." There are over one billion Muslims in this world; they are not out to destroy Israel. That's only in the mind's eye of those Jews with limited vision; bigots.

I would bet their were few Jews, if any, back in your childhood, that taunted your Japanese community with "Go back home." In my opinion, you may not have closure on "bigots," in general, and are scape-goating pro-Israel Jews, since it is politically correct in your neck-of-the woods, perhaps? Just trying to fit in again?

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@Foofie,

So what? I worked for Jews during my thirty years of working career, and they gave me the opportunities. After working as a Field Auditor for Florsheim Shoes for 3.5 years after graduation from college, they promoted me to Audit Manager. I have since then worked for two more bosses who were Jews that treated me very well with high salaries and good benefits working in management positions. I have worked in management for 27 of the 30 years I worked.

Bigots are people who treat others with disdain, and they can be of any race or culture - even Japanese.

One of my good friends is a rocket scientist, Bob Brodsky. Guess what his cultural background is? I have friends all over the world including Russia, Bhutan, Singapore, Europe, Cuba, and Tanzania.

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@Foofie,

You use crude racist stereotyping all the time. I'm not misconstruing anything. You're a pig ignorant bigot who believes his own bullshit.

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@izzythepush,

A classical example of projection.

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@Foofie,

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I would bet their were few Jews, if any, back in your childhood, that taunted your Japanese community with "Go back home."

Those that were on the receiving end of racism/religionism/sexism/whateverism were not likely to engage in the same against others.

When I was a kid I used to wonder why certain groups seemed "excluded" from society. It was subtle in most respects but it was there nevertheless.

In my youth, I also thought that Jews were a special people, that they somehow had escaped these bad things that had plagued most peoples. No such luck. A major disappointment I can tell you.

And you continue to disappoint, Foofie. As soon as you get the biggest bully of all on "your side", you're willing to toss anyone to these humongous bullies or to other bullies.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You use crude racist stereotyping all the time. I'm not misconstruing anything. You're a pig ignorant bigot who believes his own bullshit.

Well, that is your opinion, and incorrect (nationalities are not races); however, it is not on topic to prove anything about the purpose of this thread. Just a bunch of idle chatter, directed at me, in my opinion. Try addressing the purpose of this thread. I am an insignificant person in the greater scheme of things.

While you use pejorative ad-hominems to describe me, in a gratuitous manner, I say nothing really offensive about you. In my opinion, you need to learn to control your emotions. Stiff upper lip and all that stuff!

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

A classical example of projection.

I just am just grateful for being a citizen of the U.S.A. . For the rest of the world I just can't muster the same positive feelings. It all started when I was in kindergarten and I told some kid, that was being obstreperous in line, that he should learn to appreciate that he is in this country and listen to the teacher. I was just mirroring what I heard at home, I think.

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@Foofie,

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directed at me, in my opinion.

You have the "same" victim syndrome of Jews who believe they have the right to lands that belongs to the Palestinians.

The only reason you are "challenged," is based on your bigoted posts.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
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directed at me, in my opinion.

You have the "same" victim syndrome of Jews who believe they have the right to lands that belongs to the Palestinians.

The only reason you are "challenged," is based on your bigoted posts.

You are off topic of the thread. Railing against me proves nothing.

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@Foofie,

Yes, it does; you've already proven that with your "victim" post.

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@Foofie,

You were the one who has been off topic from the off, refusing to address what is going on, but questioning everyone else's motives, and relating everything back to the Holocaust.

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It looks like Arafat was murdered by the Israelis after all. No surprise there.

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