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Guns and alcohol don't mix well in Florida
Florida woman shoots at bar pick-up as he tries to leave because ‘things were getting weird’

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A Florida firefighter is under arrest after an attempt at a drunken hook-up ended with her shooting at a man who was trying to leave her apartment because, as he put it, ” things were getting weird,” according to News10.

Janeen McKenzie, a 46-year-old firefighter employed by Pompano Beach Fire Rescue, was arrested after sheriffs deputies arrived at the scene finding her standing over and pointing a gun at Anthony Santos as he knelt in the street.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/23/florida-woman-shoots-at-bar-pick-up-as-he-tries-to-leave-because-things-were-getting-weird/

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@panzade,

panzade wrote:

Guns and alcohol don't mix well in Florida
Florida woman shoots at bar pick-up as he tries to leave because ‘things were getting weird’

Quote:
A Florida firefighter is under arrest after an attempt at a drunken hook-up ended with her shooting at a man who was trying to leave her apartment because, as he put it, ” things were getting weird,” according to News10.

Janeen McKenzie, a 46-year-old firefighter employed by Pompano Beach Fire Rescue, was arrested after sheriffs deputies arrived at the scene finding her standing over and pointing a gun at Anthony Santos as he knelt in the street.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/23/florida-woman-shoots-at-bar-pick-up-as-he-tries-to-leave-because-things-were-getting-weird/

If she tried to hit him with a hammer,
wud u blame the hammer??????
If she tried to run him over
with her car, wud u blame the car?????

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

If she tried to hit him with a hammer,
wud u blame the hammer??????
If she tried to run him over
with her car, wud u blame the car?????[/b]

Of course not. Who's blaming the gun in the news story?

"Guns and alcohol don't mix" was the statement. Do you disagree?

SHE was the one with the gun in her possession, and SHE was the one with the alcohol in her body. That's what doesn't mix well.

I would expect you to advocate responsible gun ownership, and not irresponsible gun ownership.

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@Ticomaya,

She shud be and she WILL be run thru the justice system,
(criminally and in tort) with severe results upon her life.

I dont believe that it is wise to ever render yourself defenseless.
When most gun owners drink, we don t shoot up the town.

Failure to wear your seatbelt is like failure to wear your gunbelt: its not safe; irresponsible.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Why do you always think someone is advocating taking away your guns, Dave?

When you drink, do you get behind the wheel and drive? Of course you don't. Because you are a responsible driver. Responsible drivers do not drink and drive. And responsible gun owners do not use their weapons if they've been drinking.

So, yes, she will be prosecuted for the crime she committed. But that doesn't change the fact that guns and alcohol DO NOT MIX.

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@Ticomaya,

Ticomaya wrote:

Why do you always think someone is advocating
taking away your guns, Dave?

That is the tacit, underlying foundation of the anti-liberty movement.
That 's what thay secretly want, with incremental tactics.

Ticomaya wrote:

When you drink, do you get behind the wheel and drive? Of course you don't. Because you are a responsible driver. Responsible drivers do not drink and drive. And responsible gun owners do not use their weapons if they've been drinking.

I was once involved in litigation arising from a fatal,
brutal purse-snatching in a NY shopping center, after dinner.
An elderly wife was the victim, accompanied by
an elderly couple (dinner companions), while her husband
was getting their car. For the sake of argument,
let us suppose that the elderly dinner companions,
or the victim were armed and had some wine or a cocktail
at dinner. Indeed, suppose that an armed police officer
had been among the dinner guests, eating & drinking.

I do not believe that your advice wud be in order.
In that emergency, it wud have been a very good time
to give the killer a one gun salute, at point-blank range.
(Obviously, that does not apply to a drunk who is severely impaired.)
As the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago said
in Moore v. Madigan, 702 F. 3d 933 (2012),
the place where a citizen has the right to defend himself
is the place where he is attacked.

We can extrapolate that the time when a citizen
has the right to defend himself is when he is attacked.
It is not prudent for someone under the influence
to be docile, offering himself up for the slaughter, instead of defending his life.

Do u suggest that the victim wait, delay defense,
procrastinate, until he or she sobers up??

Ticomaya wrote:

So, yes, she will be prosecuted for the crime she committed.
But that doesn't change the fact that guns and alcohol DO NOT MIX.

If a fisherman in the woods is attacked by a cougar
after he had some beer with his dinner, he shud not procrastinate, sobering up,
while the cat eats him, before he uses his firepower to counter attack. Yes ?

David

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If a fisherman in the woods is attacked by a cougar
after he had some beer with his dinner, he shud not procrastinate, sobering up,
while the cat eats him, before he uses his firepower to counter attack. Yes ?

I don't understand how this relates to my statement that guns and alcohol don't mix very well. But I give Tico kudos for trying to reason with you.

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@Ticomaya,

Ticomaya wrote:

But that doesn't change the fact that guns and alcohol DO NOT MIX.

One other thing, Ticomaya, just speaking for myself:
during the entirety of my life, no matter how
falling-down drunk I have ever been, in youth,
I have NEVER wanted to use ANY weapon
to harm any human being (nor any animal, either, for that matter),
but a man can become the victim of an attack, of criminals or of animals,
whether he is drunk or stone-cold sober.

Obviously, un-like me, some guys are nasty drunks, and irresponsible.
Thay might well consider dis-arming themselves before drinking.
I don t recommend handing a loaded revolver to a chimpanzee.

However, consumption of alcohol does not relinquish any person 's right
to defend his life from predatory violence. A death sentence
does not apply to anyone who has some wine or a cocktail.

David

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@panzade,

DAVID wrote:

If a fisherman in the woods is attacked by a cougar
after he had some beer with his dinner, he shud not procrastinate, sobering up,
while the cat eats him, before he uses his firepower to counter attack. Yes ?

panzade wrote:

I don't understand how this relates to my statement that guns and alcohol don't mix very well.

My explanation is that if a man becomes inebriated,
his drunkenness does not render him IMMUNE
from predatory violence. Drunks have been robbed.
That is not new. Drunks have been the victims of felonious assault,
being beaten. Do u deny that thay have the right to fight back??

Suppose that u have had some wine with dinner
and soon thereafter u saw that your Mom,
or your daughter was being robbed, or being the victim
of a sexual crime, wud u wait until u sobered up
before using your gun to rescue her ??

How do u suggest that an inebriated citizen
address such an emergency ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

How do u suggest that an inebriated citizen
address such an emergency ?

Let me guess ... fire their weapon in the general direction of the victim and the perp? Sounds like a very good plan, Dave.

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@panzade,

panzade wrote:

... But I give Tico kudos for trying to reason with you.

Thank you. It was a futile effort, but I gave it the ole college try.

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@Ticomaya,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

How do u suggest that an inebriated citizen
address such an emergency ?

Ticomaya wrote:

Let me guess ... fire their weapon in the general direction of the victim and the perp?
Sounds like a very good plan, Dave.

I don t know the reason that u r making fun of the situation,
of such an emergency that befell a tipsy victim.
Note that I had in mind a point-blank range confrontation,
no long distance marksmanship.

I m pretty sure that if a cougar began eating your favorite person,
in front of u, u 'd react immediately to rescue the victim,
not wait around. Joking does not help anything.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I don t know the reason that u r making fun of the situation, of such an emergency that befell a tipsy victim. Note that I had in mind a point-blank range confrontation,no long distance marksmanship.

What on earth caused you to think I was making fun of your pretend situation? Don't get your panties in a wad.

But aside from your pretend situation, what about the real situation in the news story? (You know, the one where the shooter IS the cougar.) You seem to be apologizing for her behavior. Do you think the drunk shooter should have picked up her gun? If not, why not?

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@Ticomaya,

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But aside from your pretend situation, what about the real situation in the news story? (You know, the one where the shooter IS the cougar.) You seem to be apologizing for her behavior. Do you think the drunk shooter should have picked up her gun? If not, why not?

Right on Tico.
When Dave doesn't answer a question it's a good bet he recognizes that his stance on the proliferation of hand guns, gun violence and gun accidents is ridiculous.

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@tsarstepan,

Silly Wabbits

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@panzade,

Ticomaya wrote:

But aside from your pretend situation, what about the real situation in the news story?
(You know, the one where the shooter IS the cougar.)
You seem to be apologizing for her behavior.

No. I challenged your absolute statement qua alcohol and guns not mixing,
tho it may be good advice in many instances,
but NOT during life-threatening emergencies. (This was not an emergency.)
I am skeptical that even YOU believe it, yourself,
i.e., I deem it most improbable that u 'd allow
an animal to consume your person
(munch, munch, chomp, swallow, nibble, "Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Hay, cut it out!"),
as long as u 'd had a few glasses wine with dinner,
rather than to defensively use your gun.
It surprizes me a lot that u implicitly deny that.

Concerning what u said qua DUI,
I 'll add that if u became the victim
of a life-threatening emergency (e.g., a rattlesnake bite)
I doubt that u 'd obsessively insist on obeisance to applicable statutory requirements,
refusing to drive until u sobered up, to drive to a hospital E.R.,
if that were necessary for your survival.
Samuel Butler opines that:
“Self preservation is the first law of nature”.

It is a question of your PRIORITIES, Tico.
In my opinion, survival outranks statutory compliance.

Ticomaya wrote:

Do you think the drunk shooter should have picked up her gun?
If not, why not?

1. NO.
2. Because this was not a defensive situation;
the story, as I heard it, was that she shot at him,
as he was leaving, because of his refusal to **** her.

panzade wrote:

Right on Tico.
When Dave doesn't answer a question it's a good bet he recognizes
that his stance on the proliferation of hand guns, gun violence and gun accidents is ridiculous.

No. U r just saying that to be nasty.

I challenged the bold assertion that alcohol and guns do not mix.
That may well be true sometimes, but I do not accept it on an absolute basis
for the reasons that I have adduced hereinabove.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Ok Dave. Look at these statistics.

You have to agree that there's something wrong here.

Do you have any solutions to the tragedies unfolding every day?

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@panzade,

panzade wrote:

Ok Dave. Look at these statistics.

You have to agree that there's something wrong here.

Do you have any solutions to the tragedies unfolding every day?

Please explain to me, Panzade
how many people who were not killed by gunfire
were killed by other means (like Julius Caesar) ????

I offer my fullest and most sincere assurance
that I will not relinquish nor compromise my Natural Right
nor my Constitutional Right to defend my life or property
from the predatory violence of criminals or of animals, no matter what.

MY handguns are to stop criminals so that I can keep going
and gun control is defeated.

I exalt my right to fight back defensively OVER ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.
I will lobby and vote accordingly, as I have.

David

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