South Africa stops West Bank goods being labeled "made in Israel"

I really think a confrontation between America and the Axis powers
would have happened sooner or later.

That was one of the reasons Roosevelt wanted us to keep fighting.

When Joe Kennedy was the ambassador and there was talk of Britain collapsing
there were some very dodgy suggestions

from the White House to the Canadian prime minister about seizing British vessels and hunkering down.

In terms of rocket development, if nothing else Nazi Germany was way ahead of the rest of the world. The Germans and the Japanese had been working on nuclear weapons, if America had stayed out for another couple of years, God knows what might have happened.


The thing is David, none of this has any relevance to the thread, it's just Foofie's way of avoiding the issue, and trying to score a few points. In that he's typical of a particular type of stupid American one bumps up against on the internet now and again. They think they're being original but they're just being hackneyed and cliched.

We should all be grateful to all the men and women who fought to free the world from the Nazi menace regardless of their nationality, whether they were British, American, Australian, Indian, French, Norwegian, Czech, Italian, Dutch, Danish, Greek, Malay, Yugoslavian, New Zealand, Canadian, Egyptian, Icelandic, Burmese, Chinese or Soviet. That's not all of them by a long chalk, because it took all that to beat the Axis powers. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

On Wednesday, May 23, a group of Israeli settlers forcefully occupied the home of a Palestinian family near the illegal Tel Rumeida colony in the Palestinian city of Hebron. In an incident that lasted 3 hours, settlers forced their way into the house and began physically and verbally abusing the family. The family was evacuated by Israeli soldiers. The settlers then blocked the entrance, preventing the family from entering the premises.

At 6p.m., Muhammed Toma Aburmeli was working in his shop in Tel Rumeida when he received a call from his distressed wife requesting that he come home immediately. As he returned home he saw his wife and young children standing near checkpoint Gilbert, with his home surrounded by Israeli soldiers. Looking closer at the entrance of his home, Muhammed saw a large group of young Israeli settlers standing outside his doorstep and preventing the family from entering.

At approximately 5:30 p.m., Muhammed’s wife, Merfat Muhammed Aburmeli, and 4 children, the eldest only 8 years old, were inside their new home located on the same road as the illegal Tel Rumeida settlement. The family was preparing to move furniture into the house. As the preparations were underway a group of 15 to 20 settlers no older than the age of 16 stormed into the house.

The settlers immediately confronted the frightened family, insulting them and demanding that they leave the home. The young settlers repeatedly claimed that the land is theirs and that the Palestinian family has no right to live here. As well as the verbal barrage, the settlers began to violently push Muhammed’s wife and her children.

The harassment lasted 10 minutes before Israeli soldiers intervened. Checkpoint Gilbert is only 3 metres from the house so this can be considered a slow response on behalf of the soldiers.

Israeli military arrived and the settlers continued to abuse the family. The first thing the soldiers did was evacuate the Aburmeli family, rather than force the settlers to leave. The family was then ordered by the military not to return to their house until the settlers were gone.

The Israeli soldiers requested that the settlers leave. The young Israeli settlers ignored the request and ran through the house causing damage. Ten minutes passed before soldiers resorted to physical means to force them out of the home. The settlers showed resistance, shoving soldiers as they dragged them out.

After evacuating the premises, soldiers locked the house’s door. The young settlers then blocked the entrance to the home from the outside. The Israeli military made no effort to disperse the group and instead soldiers surrounded the house.

When Muhammed arrived at the scene he asked the soldiers what was happening. The soldiers shrugged off his question and instead demanded that he show identification. After handing back his ID card, he too was told to go stand with his family and wait for the soldiers to diffuse the situation.

Soldiers made no efforts to remove the settlers, and Muhammed and his family were left standing outside and waiting for almost 3 hours before the settlers began to leave by themselves at 8:30 p.m.

Muhammed, Merfat, and their young children returned to their home. They say that what is upsetting is not only the behaviour of the illegal Israeli settlers, but the incompetent reaction of the Israeli army. This harassment, however, is not a new ordeal for the Aburmeli family. Only one day before, settlers damaged a window of their home by hitting it with sticks. In their last home, located nearby, settlers similarly blocked the entrance on more than one occasion.

Families living near the illegal Tel Rumeida settlement, which occupied a section of houses and roads in downtown Hebron, have long been the subject of abuse and discrimination coming from both the settlers and Israeli policies. Currently, only 2 Palestinian families remain living in what is now the Israeli settlement.

These 2 families are not permitted visitors, even family members, because all other Palestinians are prevented by Israeli soldiers from entering. These families in particular face abuse by the Israeli settlers on a regular basis. It can be difficult for the families even just to walk without being pelted by stones or being subject to insults.

Muhammed fears that incidents such as these will continue to occur, but says that no matter what happens he will never leave his home because he, as well as other Palestinians, has a right to live in freedom, peace, and dignity in his own land, and illegal settlers can not force them to leave. He finishes by saying, “if they wish to do worse, then let them, because we will not leave. As the olive tree will continue to live here, we Palestinians will continue to live here.”

This thread isn't about WW2, or Foofie's revisionist interpretation of such. Neither is it about Setanta's whimsicality. It's about the criminal behaviour of the Israeli government, and why many people feel the need to observe the boycott. This is the sort of thing that occurs almost daily.

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On Wednesday, May 23, a group of Israeli settlers forcefully occupied the home of a Palestinian family near the illegal Tel Rumeida colony in the Palestinian city of Hebron. In an incident that lasted 3 hours, settlers forced their way into the house and began physically and verbally abusing the family. The family was evacuated by Israeli soldiers. The settlers then blocked the entrance, preventing the family from entering the premises.

At 6p.m., Muhammed Toma Aburmeli was working in his shop in Tel Rumeida when he received a call from his distressed wife requesting that he come home immediately. As he returned home he saw his wife and young children standing near checkpoint Gilbert, with his home surrounded by Israeli soldiers. Looking closer at the entrance of his home, Muhammed saw a large group of young Israeli settlers standing outside his doorstep and preventing the family from entering.

At approximately 5:30 p.m., Muhammed’s wife, Merfat Muhammed Aburmeli, and 4 children, the eldest only 8 years old, were inside their new home located on the same road as the illegal Tel Rumeida settlement. The family was preparing to move furniture into the house. As the preparations were underway a group of 15 to 20 settlers no older than the age of 16 stormed into the house.

The settlers immediately confronted the frightened family, insulting them and demanding that they leave the home. The young settlers repeatedly claimed that the land is theirs and that the Palestinian family has no right to live here. As well as the verbal barrage, the settlers began to violently push Muhammed’s wife and her children.

The harassment lasted 10 minutes before Israeli soldiers intervened. Checkpoint Gilbert is only 3 metres from the house so this can be considered a slow response on behalf of the soldiers.

Israeli military arrived and the settlers continued to abuse the family. The first thing the soldiers did was evacuate the Aburmeli family, rather than force the settlers to leave. The family was then ordered by the military not to return to their house until the settlers were gone.

The Israeli soldiers requested that the settlers leave. The young Israeli settlers ignored the request and ran through the house causing damage. Ten minutes passed before soldiers resorted to physical means to force them out of the home. The settlers showed resistance, shoving soldiers as they dragged them out.

After evacuating the premises, soldiers locked the house’s door. The young settlers then blocked the entrance to the home from the outside. The Israeli military made no effort to disperse the group and instead soldiers surrounded the house.

When Muhammed arrived at the scene he asked the soldiers what was happening. The soldiers shrugged off his question and instead demanded that he show identification. After handing back his ID card, he too was told to go stand with his family and wait for the soldiers to diffuse the situation.

Soldiers made no efforts to remove the settlers, and Muhammed and his family were left standing outside and waiting for almost 3 hours before the settlers began to leave by themselves at 8:30 p.m.

Muhammed, Merfat, and their young children returned to their home. They say that what is upsetting is not only the behaviour of the illegal Israeli settlers, but the incompetent reaction of the Israeli army. This harassment, however, is not a new ordeal for the Aburmeli family. Only one day before, settlers damaged a window of their home by hitting it with sticks. In their last home, located nearby, settlers similarly blocked the entrance on more than one occasion.

Families living near the illegal Tel Rumeida settlement, which occupied a section of houses and roads in downtown Hebron, have long been the subject of abuse and discrimination coming from both the settlers and Israeli policies. Currently, only 2 Palestinian families remain living in what is now the Israeli settlement.

These 2 families are not permitted visitors, even family members, because all other Palestinians are prevented by Israeli soldiers from entering. These families in particular face abuse by the Israeli settlers on a regular basis. It can be difficult for the families even just to walk without being pelted by stones or being subject to insults.

Muhammed fears that incidents such as these will continue to occur, but says that no matter what happens he will never leave his home because he, as well as other Palestinians, has a right to live in freedom, peace, and dignity in his own land, and illegal settlers can not force them to leave. He finishes by saying, “if they wish to do worse, then let them, because we will not leave. As the olive tree will continue to live here, we Palestinians will continue to live here.”

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/hebron-israeli-settlers-occupy-palestinian-home/

. . . This is about the boycott,
so it's important to point out the reasons for the boycott.

Just the sort of spineless, selfish behavior one can expect from the English, no?

Setanta and I don't agree on many things, but his description of you is spot on.

I "stuck my oar in" because you were peddling bullshit. Too bad, so sad, get over it.

This is no longer a thread which discusses South Africa's labelling requirements, that ceased long ago. You just want to make it an omnibus thread about the monstrous treatment of the Palestinians. Nothing obliges me to play that game, and that is not necessarily the topic of the thread.

If you were at all honest, you'd start your own thread on the topic. That would require a certain amount of honesty and courage on your part, so i can see why you'd be reluctant. People long ago ceased to discuss the specific topic of this thread.

Setanta and I don't agree on many things, but his description of you is spot on.

In my opinion, you are being a yenta;
you could leave Sentanta's opinion out of your gratuitous comment about me.

You seem to have a problem differentiating between an obligation, and what's morally right.

If you people had done the right thing, you'd have invaded Germany in September, 1939. He had a paltry ten divisions to defend a frontier that ran from the Ardennes to Switzerland. Instead you sat around wringing your hands in what the Germans rightfully called the sitting war. The one person in a position of power at the time with any sense was Joe Stalin. He waited to see what the western allies would do, and when he saw that they would do nothing, he joined Hitler in carving up Poland.

Had the IGS and the French shown any spine, then deffinitely the Nazis would have been defeated. As i recall, Churchill was also desparate to "keep you in the war" once he got in office. England declared war because of their treaty obligation to Poland. So you now suggest that, having thrown Poland to the dogs, England should have made a separate peace? Just the sort of spineless, selfish behavior one can expect from the English, no?

izzythepush wrote:

Setanta and I don't agree on many things, but his description of you is spot on.

Foofie wrote:

In my opinion, you are being a yenta;
you could leave Sentanta's opinion out of your gratuitous comment about me.

What is a "yenta" ?

Thank u; is Yiddish similar to the Hebrew language ?