Even though he now features that he was a noble war hero as his primary (only?) credential to be President of the United States ekspertx? Even though most of the men who served with him say what he testified to Congress was a flat out lie? You don't care how much leadership he has demonstrated since then like during his 20 years in the U.S. Senate?
Most of us think what people have done in the most recent 30 or 40 years is more important than what they did in their 20's. But oh well. Each to their own.
Welcome to A2K by the way.
"I was proud when both Republicans and Democrats stood with me...to announce their support for a clear statement of purpose: You disarm or we will."
10/5/02
"Security is the essential roadblock to achieving the road map to peace."
7/25/03
"Iraqi people...you are free and freedom is beautiful and, you know, it'll take time to restore chaos and order."
4/13/03
"And there's no doubt in my mind, not one doubt in my mind, that we will fail."
10/4/01
"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war."
1/27/02
"You've got to speak CLEARLY to make the world a safer place."
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Now, to be clear (which Bush never is anyway), what part of what Kerry testified to Congress was a lie? And please be specific, and be prepared to back up your claims with the appropriate links.
Even though he now features that he was a noble war hero as his primary (only?) credential to be President of the United States ekspertx? Even though most of the men who served with him say what he testified to Congress was a flat out lie? You don't care how much leadership he has demonstrated since then like during his 20 years in the U.S. Senate? <-- Fox
What did Bush show as his credentials to be pres? Hmmm? A string of failed businesses and a failed state governorship?
Face it. Kerry has more experience with politics than Bush ever did when running for pres, and Bush certainly hasn't shown much acuity in the area since then; by ANY objective standards, our foreign politics has sucked big time lately.
Cycloptichorn
I won't face anything of the kind. Bush left Texas in better shape than he found it and enjoyed a very good approval rating. So far as his businesses go, many many people fail in a business. Did he fail in all of them. No. But he does have years in a governorship and now four years in a presidency to judge him on. So what do the Dems go to? His national guard service. You have to admit that's really a stretch trying to find something to hang him on.
On the other hand, Kerry has proved he's no leader in the Senate or as a candidate for president by virtue of taking every side of every issue. I haven't counted them, but Mary Madelyn this morning said I think as of this week, Kerry now has eight different clear policies on Iraq alone. You need a score card to keep up.
But then that's why a substantial majority of Americans indicate by a wide margin that Bush is a better leader than Kerry.
Bush left Texas in better shape than he found it <- Fox
If by going from large surpluses to massive deficits you mean better, than maybe Texas was better off.
If you mean some of the worst schooling in America, and worse when he left than when he arrived, than maybe Texas was better off.
If you mean that it's better to have way more pollution, way less health coverage, and a growing disparity between the rich and poor, Texas was better off.
Get of of fantasy land, Fox! Next you'll be telling me that black is white.
Cycloptichorn
Fox states:
Quote:I haven't counted them,
My guess is you haven't even READ them, let alone the conditions for why these votes were cast, and the substantive debates that followed. As people of your ilk refuse to discuss the conditions and procedures of how Congress works, and instead rely upon the talking points shoved firmly up your behinds by the RNC, I can only assume you either do not have the ability to think for yourself, or you just choose not to.
You neocons really do want an idiot in the Oval Office for another four years.
Cyclop that's just nonsense but I'm in no mood to debate it today. Wouldn't you really like to have a candidate you could be proud of and support with real data instead of having to tear down the other guy with unfounded accusations and innuendo? There is much to criticize in Bush's first term but there is also much to commend it.
This past week for a school project, I was trying to help a young friend come up with something of substance to commend Kerry for over the last several decades and there was so little we could find in an hour of searching that he went back to school to ask for another assignment.
Fox:
Care to finally offer up some facts, or are you relegated to just more pathetic spinning without substance?
My guess is the latter.
And what does that have to do with Kerry and GWB Dookie?
Foxfyre wrote:This past week for a school project, I was trying to help a young friend come up with something of substance to commend Kerry for over the last several decades and there was so little we could find in an hour of searching that he went back to school to ask for another assignment.
So when he comes back with the assignment to find something to commend Bush what will you find?
Fox:
Quote:On the other hand, Kerry has proved he's no leader in the Senate or as a candidate for president by virtue of taking every side of every issue.
I'd pay more attention to the thread if I were you. I guess the Iran-Contra scandal and the subsequent congressional investigation led by Kerry doesn't count in your book of nothingness. Also, perhaps you can comment on the trillions of dollars in defense spending that Kerry DID vote for? It's too bad that intellectual curiosity escapes individuals such as yourself, as well as George W. Bush himself.
Um, I don't believe John Kerry led that investigation. Bob Kerrey might have.
Kerry was one of the major leaders of that investigation, and one of the first senators to CALL for an investigation in the first place.
We were watching a video on Iran-contra in class last spring to show how the media plays an important role in politics. They had a clip of Kerry talking about Iran-Contra before pretty much any other senator, and showed how the media took control of the issue.
Cycloptichorn
Fox just reinforces my point when it comes to a lack of intellectual curiosity. My guess is he's probably never heard of Google.
Didn't he also head up a POW/MIA committee with McCain? I'd say that was pretty important work.
Fox is a she, and I'm sure she's heard of google. Let's keep it civil.
Cycloptichorn
Freeduck, re positive for Bush, we can point to lower unemployement than when he took office, the fact that we have had no terrorist attacks on our own soil since 9/11, the No Child Left Behind act has its problems and critics, but it is doing some good, all Americans who paid taxes are paying lower taxes now and most of us appreciate that and the borderline poor are relieved of a tax burden, faith based initiatives are bearing good fruit in numerous communities, critical increased funding for Veteran's administration was badly needed and so much money has been appropriated for education some states haven't used it all and turned some back, and the tax policy has assisted in pulling us out of deep recession with an improving economy and still low inflation, and I can come up with more if I think about it. He has some very good ideas to improve Social Security and health care, neither of which would bust the budget.
On the negative side, I think the Medicare prescription bill was a mistake, our immigration policy is a mess, and he has not done enough to curb unnecessary Congressional spending; however I think he will work on these in a second term.
