Can life have meaning if your dreams are unattainable?

@MichaelJ,

Found Soul wrote:

The game playing never ends for either party, because without hard work, effort, a relationship won't survive. But, you should be able to be yourself, or else, honestly you have put on a false front to gain the woman...

Just a point - there are many good games that are played. Games that make life a great deal more fun. Games that bring people to life. Games that make people laugh. Games that make people feel good.

MichaelJ wrote:

I was my REAL self with Mary. The more 'real' I was, the more it drove her away. And as I said, I tested it. I'd play games with her to see what happened. She preferred the game playing, the fakeness.

Umm...did not one point out to you that you were NOT being your genuine self?

Did they not point out to you that you were being deceptive with Mary?

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@vikorr,

Now, because it's likely you are going to ask 'what the hell are you talking about - how was I not being myself, and being deceptive...

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And the more I'd let myself care about her and more importantly LET HER KNOW THAT, the less attracted she became to me
It's cool to let them know - if you also stand up for yourself, and if you make decisions (rather than leaving it all to her), and if you make your own world...ie as you being genuinely you...otherwise it comes across as you just trying to manipulate her (as you being non-genuine)

Because I'm a "nice guy" I treated her like a queen.
Nice guys rarely stand up for themselves. In standing up for yourself you express what you truly feel...if you don't express what you truly feel, then you are being deceptive, and non genuine.

If you devote all of your time to treating her like a queen, without taking more time building your own life, having your own goals - then it comes across as shallow, and unmanly to them. If they are attracted to 'you', and you give up on 'yourself' to focus on her...how is she supposed to be attracted to 'you' anymore? (seeing as you basically gave up on developing , maintaining, and being 'you')

If you don't stand up for yourself, while treating them like a queen - then it comes across as manipulative or shallow (ie non-genuine)

I told her that she could get as fat as she wanted because she'd always be sexy to me.

whether or not you meant it - most young women have low self esteem, and that would have come across as a complete lie (have a look at how hard you argue against what you know is right, in these forums? She would have done the same to this sort of statement).

It would have come across as manipulative (which is always non-genuine)

Unless you are a proven chubby chaser - I doubt any woman would believe this of you. Most guys wouldn't either. Espescially considering your already stated attraction to beautiful women.

It really does come across as deceptive.

I told her that because I loved her so much I'd probably forgive for anything irrational she could ever do.

This says you aren't prepared to stand up for yourself. If you don't speak whats on your mind (espescially when hurt), you are being deceptive about what you are feeling - which is non-genuine. You are showing that you can't stand up for what you believe in (which shows you aren't a protector) or go after what you want (which shows you aren't a good provider) - all of which is unattractive.

She knew I was putty in her hands and that's not sexy to women!

Which again paints you in the picture of not standing up for yourself, and not going after what you want.

Women want (and will ONLY go for) alpha males who project social status, who have all the perfect things to say to everyone
Women like having lovely things said to them - but overall, only if the man is prepared to stand up for themselves.

and most importantly dominate women

Not necessarily dominate them (in bed of course is a different matter), but to be both dominant, and considerate.

Do you understand that standing up for yourself is genuine - you are speaking your honest mind? While not doing so is deceptive - you are refraining from speaking your honest mind, and quite often when you do this, you are putting on a front that is contrary to your feelings - which is not genuine? (ie is deceptive)

Do you understand that going after what you want is genuine...while refraining from chasing what you desire and saying words to the contrary (or pretending to the contrary) is deceptive and not genuinely what you want?

Towards the end she said we had to quit saying "I love you". She wouldn't say it to me, but she kept sleeping with me. Of course she knew she was going to leave me and she knew how much I loved her, but that didn't stop her from continuing to sleep with me.

And yet you didn't stand up for what you genuinely wanted. You let her walk over you, probably while telling her lovely things...saying things you thought she wanted to hear...acting contrary to the hurt you felt? You didn't tell her what you needed from her, and didn't act to end it if she didn't or couldn't give that you to...because you still wanted to sleep with her? Still wanted the smallest touch from her? How is that genuine?

For months after she left I swallowed my pride and tried to talk to her.

And how was that genuinely you? You suppressed your feelings and pretended to be otherwise. This is not attractive to women.

I begged her for months to get together. She'd never have time, or she'd get angry with me even if I was being as nice as I possibly couldBeing nice as you possibly can while someone is stamping on your heart is not a genuine reaction to the hurt you're feeling. It's a manipulative reaction - you hid your feelings, so that she could 'see how nice you were'? Genuine honesty would have been an expression of your hurt...yes, even anger is honest & acceptable in these circumstances

This is the problem with being a 'nice guy' - it is actually dishonest.

Being nice (because you value & appreciate something) while also being assertive, going after what you want, standing up for yourself/your needs/ your wants / your desires, and strongly creating your world...that is when 'nice' is actually and truly valued for it's genuineness - because it doesn't come from any attempt to deceive or manipulate.

This is why it's so important to build 'who we are'...to work to understand ourselves..and to make ourselves better people - because by doing so, we increase our genuineness every day...we make ourselves better people...we make our lives better...and we make the lives of others better.

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@vikorr,

vikorr,

Damn man, I have a lot of video to edit tonight. There is so much wrong with what you've said. I'm gona try to boil it down to the basics.

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"This is the problem with being a 'nice guy' - it is actually dishonest."

Ok maybe you're right here. But the problem is that if I was dishonest in this way, it was happening on a purely subconscious level. In fact it wasn't dishonesty at all because I REALLY did compromise my own feelings in an attempt to stay with her. It's not like I was consciously trying to deceive her. I was panicking because someone I loved very much was leaving. I was compromising myself in order to try to keep her around. If that was deceptive, it was at the very least grounded in something that had no maliciousness behind it at all.

Where as Mary was OUTRIGHT lying to me with the things she was saying and doing. Do you see that vikorr???

There is a HUGE difference in the ways we were dishonest with each other. One person was intentionally being dishonest, the other wasn't. The kind of games Mary was playing aren't the kind that make life more fun. They aren't the kind that make people laugh or feel good. They were selfish, torturous mind games.

And how did those people get rewarded? Well Mary for all her lying gets engaged. I get to spend going on a year alone and get to miss one of my best friend's weddings.

I think the real lesson here is that I need to be more selfish. When I'm in a relationship, I should be thinking about myself first and the woman second. Instead of being 'nice' and thinking about her needs, I should think about mine first and if hers fall in line with what I want then so be it.

I should be more like your friend who hooks up with a different girl every weekend. It sounds to me like he's got it figured out. He doesn't let attachment set in. That's the real lesson here. When you put your woman's needs on the same level as yours and treat them with respect you get burned. Better to use them for your own wants and needs, recognizing that if you don't do that to them they'll do it to you. It's about shooting them down before they shoot you down. Jack was like your friend, very successful, and he didn't give a **** about any of them. I just need to learn better hunting skills.

So yes, a game it is. I've just been playing it the wrong way. I've been looking for respect and love in creatures who aren't capable of those feelings. I should've been looking for pussy only and then kicking their asses out the door after I got the slightest inkling they might get a leg up on me.

And you are simply wrong about the numbers of relationships argument, but we will obviously just go around in circles if I keep pointing out why. All I will say is that that is just further proof I've been looking at things wrong. I SHOULD be focusing on quantity instead of quality. I should be aiming for having more relationships than Mary had. Because it is a contest after all. I can't let her win. And lets face it, there really is no quality in relationships with women anyway. It's just a never ending mind game. That's why most married men have more fun spending time with their buddies instead of their wives.

"Your problem really appears to be that you don't like being a man, and you don't like being who you are - and you want to blame this on women."

Incorrect. I don't like being USED as a man. So it seems the cure for this is to be the user rather than the usey. I love who I am. I just give too much of myself to these women who don't deserve it. From now on I will give less and take more.

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One of the most satisfying things in life is putting a woman in her place. It just feels right. Can you blame me for taking satisfaction in that?
Is it really 'satisfaction' that you feel, or glee?"

Oh, it's glee also. Come on man! How many chances do you get in life to royally tell a woman she's wrong and prove it??? Even though women are frequently wrong about things, they always find ways to spin it so they get away with it. You HAVE to take those opportunities when they come and run with them! I said before, in my mind there's an angry punk rock song playing and a middle finger being shoved in Oprah's face. Very, very satisfying indeed. And that's because I LOVE being a man and I want to stand up for my gender.

I never once said women are always right. In fact, because logical thinking is so foreign to them they are frequently wrong. But they always win arguments because even if they're wrong, they find a way to stop men from getting that last word in, because usually that last word from men is a word that proves them wrong. Therefore men MUST rise to any opportunity they have to point out women's flaws in logic and call them on it on the spot if possible.

And mostly out of everything women lie and they tempt. I'm not religious at all but Adam and Eve, come on!!! Who's idea was it to eat that apple??? Huh???

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@MichaelJ,

I think the biggest lesson here is that it's time for me to treat women EXACTLY the way they've treated me throughout my life.

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@MichaelJ,

MichaelJ wrote:

I think the biggest lesson here is that it's time for me to treat women EXACTLY the way they've treated me throughout my life.

Fail again...the lesson is treat women as they need/want to be treated instead of along your preconceived notions of how women should be treated, always keeping front and center what you want. However, you have already said that you are not interested in doing this. You also dont know yourself well enough to pull this off yet, and you are no where near good enough at decoding women to pull this off. Your going out right now trying to treat women as you think they have treated you would be abuse, and it would end badly.

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@hawkeye10,

"Your going out right now trying to treat women as you think they have treated you would be abuse"

If it wasn't abuse, what was it exactly??? Enlighten me hawkeye.

And you didn't respond to my other response to you which I made some good points...

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@MichaelJ,

I think the biggest thing here is that women don't have feelings.

Obviously, or they would recognize that the shitty things they do to men would hurt just as much if it was them on the receiving end...

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@MichaelJ,

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There is so much wrong with what you've said. I'm gona try to boil it down to the basics.

Actually, reading your post - my thoughts are fine. Your err, unusual perspective on them is rather skewed.

vikorr wrote:

"This is the problem with being a 'nice guy' - it is actually dishonest."

MichaelJ wrote:

Ok maybe you're right here. But the problem is that if I was dishonest in this way, it was happening on a purely subconscious level. In fact it wasn't dishonesty at all because I REALLY did compromise my own feelings in an attempt to stay with her. It's not like I was consciously trying to deceive her. I was panicking because someone I loved very much was leaving. I was compromising myself in order to try to keep her around. If that was deceptive, it was at the very least grounded in something that had no maliciousness behind it at all.

Of course there was no maliciousness, and of course you weren't completely aware of it (as some deeper level, you are always aware of these things though)

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Where as Mary was OUTRIGHT lying to me with the things she was saying and doing. Do you see that vikorr???

Absolutely. And you should have stood called on her it.

Did you not comprehend why I posted it? You want to know why women discard you, but ignore the explanation of a major contributing factor when it's presented to you? You instead want to boil it down to a competing wrong vs less wrong?

Have a alook at it for what it is - showing that you aren't being genuine, and that being a major reason why the more you were dishonest/non-genuine, the less she was attracted to you. Do you not see the life lesson there for you? Do you not now see a reason to stand up for yourself? Are you not now starting to comprehend that you can disagree with women? That you can go after you want? That your feelings and needs are important? And that if they trash them, you can call them on that? That you don't have to be a doormat...and in fact being so is unattractive to womn?

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I think the real lesson here is that I need to be more selfish.

Isn't that what I've been saying to you for countless pages?
- develop yourself for yourself
- stand up for yourself
- go after what you want
- treat your wants/needs/desires as just as important
- consider yourself valuable

Of course the flip side is - once you start actually looking after yourself, and learning that what you want/need/desire is important...there is a balance. As I previously said it's 51%/49%. The problem with you is that in some respects it's consciously 10%you/90% them (which is very unattractive) ...which has a deeper (subconscious) repurcussion where you focus on yourself 90%/10% (which is also unattractive) - and yes, those percentages are probably not entirely accurate.

Essentially, you don't have balance, and to regain it - you need to consciously start looking after yourself and your needs (because, believe it or not - when faced with a pretty girl, you ignore your own needs/emotions in order to prop hers up)

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I've been looking for respect and love in creatures who aren't capable of those feelings

They are more than capable of them...but if you don't respect yourself, why should they?

Are you by the way, aware of the fact that humans have a physiological sympathetic response to other humans? By that I mean - if the person opposite you is angry at you...your body naturally releases chemicals that prepare you for anger. If the person opposite you is passionate, you feel 'energised' (precursor to passion), if the person opposite you feels depressed, you feel down (hence people don't like being around depressed people), if they are bouncing all over the place - you feel energised (hence some people can be the life of the party, or light up a room when they walk into it). The stronger the emotion - the greater the sympathetic response.

The same I daresay, plays out in regards to respect for yourself - because so many emotions come into play when you don't respect yourself...engendering other people to also not respect you.

vikorr wrote:

"Your problem really appears to be that you don't like being a man, and you don't like being who you are - and you want to blame this on women."

michaelj wrote:

Incorrect. I don't like being USED as a man. So it seems the cure for this is to be the user rather than the usey. I love who I am. I just give too much of myself to these women who don't deserve it. From now on I will give less and take more.

No man likes being used...but being used only occurs with your consent... or because you are unaware (the last being very largely mitigated by educating yourself). Regardless - it's incredibly difficult to use a person who is always true to themself.

As an aside - I will stand by what I said about you not liking being a man. How can you like being a man when you complain SO MUCH about the advantages of women? I mean...it's an incredible amount of complaining about how hard you are done by, being a man, and how superior women are to men...

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@MichaelJ,

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If it wasn't abuse, what was it exactly??? Enlighten me hawkeye.

How you were treated? Vikor is correct, you were treated as a guy who did not measure up. You had your shot, this was not abuse. You can get better though.

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And you didn't respond to my other response to you which I made some good points..

I am now working at my restaurant 65+ hours a week, so I miss a lot here now. I will go look for that.

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@vikorr,

"As an aside - I will stand by what I said about you not liking being a man. How can you like being a man when you complain SO MUCH about the advantages of women? I mean...it's an incredible amount of complaining about how hard you are done by, being a man, and how superior women are to men..."

I could never be sexually attracted to other men, so in that instance I like being a man. However If I had as much power and control in life as women do, that would make me feel great. So you are wrong. Goddammit, do you not understand??? How powerless did the Jews feel while they were being slaughtered in the Holocaust? Do you think they wanted to feel bad about being who they were by choice???

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I think the real lesson here is that I need to be more selfish.
Isn't that what I've been saying to you for countless pages?
- develop yourself for yourself
- stand up for yourself
- go after what you want"

So place myself as more important than my partner, check. My needs come first, and **** her. Check.

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I've been looking for respect and love in creatures who aren't capable of those feelings"They are more than capable of them...but if you don't respect yourself, why should they?"

Mary didn't respect herself, obviously or she wouldn't have been so promiscuous. But that didn't matter because she had a pretty face and a vagina, so she didn't need to do any work on her own self.

So to simplify all this: Treat women exactly as they have treated me throughout my life, as playthings to be used and thrown away at my whims. As people who are below my respect. Then I should expect to achieve my dreams, because that's exactly what Mary and my fiancee did to me and it worked out perfectly for them...

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@MichaelJ,

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But what I would say to this is that women get offered dick everyday through no effort on their part. That's an inequality. I know it can't be changed, but knowing that doesn't make me feel any better. It makes me angry.

Historically men have done the hunting and women have done the enticing and screening in order to get the guy they want (or the best that is available to them). Why does this anger you? The system has worked great for a very long time, and the work load is relatively fair. More women are hunting now which might get you out of the hunting that you dont want to do, but I see no evidence that you are capable of taking on the traditional female roll of enticing either.

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Yep, but they sure as hell won't have to put in as much work as I do in order to achieve fulfillment in the realm of relationships.

I think it is clear that you vastly under appreciate the amount of work that women have traditionally put into getting the guy they want.

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It's really a shame you've never seen me in real life because I take great pleasure in putting women in their place, and have had a few great moments in my life where I've caught women in all their illogical glory and called them out in front of others. I know this doesn't get me laid, but damned if it isn't satisfying! I will NEVER stop calling women out on their bullshit. I will die first

Wait....you expect women to be logical? Shocked

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I DO NOT have BPD. Are you seriously agreeing with firefly??? Do you really want to give her that satisfaction???

How do you know? This is vastly under diagnosed, and Firefly is correct that your writing here indicates that you likely are BPD. You are vastly confused about the nature of the interface between yourself and others, which is the core of the BPD symptom. You also have admitted to having suffered the kind of trauma which causes BPD. I am not that hung up on the diagnoses as it is not like the head shrinkers know what to do about it...the record of treating BPD is downright horrible, but a man has got to know his limitations.

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I'm not avoiding myself. I'm avoiding pain, that's different

That never works. The way past the pain is through the pain, letting the pain teach you what it is supposed to teach you about yourself and about life. You are avoiding the lesson. The avoidance methods tend to break down down during the 30's and be useless by about 40, so you probably have some nasty years in your near future. It is that avoiding pain worked for awhile that will keep you from seeing that there is no avoiding the pain. You will now thrash around increasingly desperately trying to make the old methods work, exhausting yourself and becoming despondent, till you admit defeat by killing yourself.

Unless someone gets through to you, which is to say convinces you that there is another way to go here.

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@MichaelJ,

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Obviously, or they would recognize that the shitty things they do to men would hurt just as much if it was them on the receiving end..

Oh be we were on the receiving end, from 16ish, 18ish on-wards, whilst you guys enjoyed "wooing" us, with no intend of hanging around or hanging around, ensuring no one else got us, but meanwhile, cheated left right and centre behind our backs and if we were Virgins, whooo hooo even more of a challenge to bed us.... or keep us, no one else can have her. But, now that we are older, are we crying? Or laughing, going shirt, that's what younger men are really all about.

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I REALLY did compromise my own feelings in an attempt to stay with her. It's not like I was consciously trying to deceive her. .

Well see, I agree you weren't deceiving her, but you became mushy, weak and it as evident, it wasn't compromise it showed desperation... And, compromise is at the beginning and throughout to agree both ways, on things you like and don't like about behaviour.

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Where as Mary was OUTRIGHT lying to me with the things she was saying and doing

So you chose the wrong one in the beginning, someone very strong willed who was always going to do what she wanted...

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I've been looking for respect and love in creatures who aren't capable of those feelings. I should've been looking for pussy only and then kicking their asses out the door after I got the slightest inkling they might get a leg up on me.

Well to gain respect and love you have to earn it.. Dang, can't believe I said that... And, from that, it's given because trust goes both ways... Most guys just look for pussy and then treat women like crap.. Seems you want to be a woman because that's how you are treated, according to you.. So, you have to man up and be a man... re-read the boys way of doing that... You're just speaking.

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SHOULD be focusing on quantity instead of quality. I should be aiming for having more relationships than Mary had. Because it is a contest after all. I can't let her win. And lets face it, there really is no quality in relationships with women anyway. It's just a never ending mind game. That's why most married men have more fun spending time with their buddies instead of their wives.

You should stop being so fixated on Mary.. You are so fixated on beating her, winning, showing up with a gorgeous woman as a fiance, anything to try to make her see what she missed. She'll never see it, she wasn't after a nice guy... You want to be you? Be you, but you still have to grow balls. I understand you think it's a mind game... But, it's not.. Each "person" is different, therefore each woman is different you can't put us in boxes, nor can we put men in boxes..

And, hahahahaha na, it's that boys will be boys until the day they die, they never grow up, they don't want to.. They enjoy still playing in life.. And, why not.

We "all" need time away from each other but love is actually real.. It does exist and you can find a match...

Here is what you should do. Go on RSVP or the likes. Read what all girls are saying they are after in a man (some add to much, or fib a little) and see simularities as well as a whole range of difference. Then see what the guys are saying, you'll find alot bullshit, or had a woman write it for them, yes, that's true...but you'll also see the desperates and those that don't have a clue how to date..

Take notes... It's a start .

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@hawkeye10,

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I am now working at my restaurant 65+ hours a week, so I miss a lot here now. I will go look for that

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So glad I am out of that Industry... Wishing you success Hawkeye...

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That never works. The way past the pain is through the pain, letting the pain teach you what it is supposed to teach you about yourself and about life. You are avoiding the lesson.

There is great wisdom in those words....

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@hawkeye10,

"I think it is clear that you vastly under appreciate the amount of work that women have traditionally put into getting the guy they want. "

What work do women EVER have to do to attract a man?????

They bat their eyelashes and if they're cute they get the man. That's it@!

No more posts from me tonight. I have work to do then I'm going to bed...

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@FOUND SOUL,

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There is great wisdom in those words....

Having walked the steps myself, and been witness to many others who have....as well as the crash and burn of all who have refused to the bitter end to face pain head on.

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@hawkeye10,

And you'd know as well, we can't just blink our eyelashes and get the man Smile

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@MichaelJ,

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I could never be sexually attracted to other men, so in that instance I like being a man. However If I had as much power and control in life as women do, that would make me feel great. So you are wrong. Goddammit, do you not understand???

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How powerless did the Jews feel while they were being slaughtered in the Holocaust? Do you think they wanted to feel bad about being who they were by choice???

So you don't like being a man. Or you think you'd like being a man if you were powerful (which because you feel powerless / lacking in power, is the same as saying you don't like being a man)

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So place myself as more important than my partner, check. My needs come first, and **** her. Check.

I did a more detailed post on this some 20 pages or more back. I also stated 51% consideration for your self / 49% consideration for her. How does any of that translate to 'My needs come first, and **** her.'?

You keep talking about prefering real people, and being real. Do you not understand that if you don't ensure your needs are met, that you will always blame someone for the lack of them being met, or feel bitterness for them not being met? Your current attitude & belief system should tell you that in abundance...and not having your needs met & being bitter...how can you then possibly give untainted (ie genuine) love?

That is why it is 51%/49%...you never forget consideration for the other, and you always show consideration for yourself...the only possible way to do this is to show just slightly more consideration for your feelings than for the other persons...otherwise you are showing more consideration for them, and that little voice that screams 'but what about me' taints all your dealings with the other person. When it's screaming 'but what about me' - you are also being hurt by their lack of consideration, and that engenders other feelings that taint your dealings...where none of that (tainted/non-genuine interactions) occurs when you stand up for yourself.

Standing up for yourself in and of itself says that you consider yourself important, and everything that you encompass - who you are - as important. Not standing up for youself means you consider yourself less important. Constantly not standing up for yourself makes you a doormat. So the closest balance that can ensure a person has their needs met while being considerate of meeting other peoples needs is 51%you/49%them

51/49 allows you to stand up for yourself, and consequently, always be genuine..even while being considerate of others.

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Mary didn't respect herself, obviously or she wouldn't have been so promiscuous. But that didn't matter because she had a pretty face and a vagina, so she didn't need to do any work on her own self.

Really? Do you not see the lack of respect you have for her in how you wrote that?

Regardless - ask anyone...very few people show respect for someone who doesn't show respect for themself.

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So to simplify all this: Treat women exactly as they have treated me throughout my life, as playthings to be used and thrown away at my whims. As people who are below my respect. Then I should expect to achieve my dreams, because that's exactly what Mary and my fiancee did to me and it worked out perfectly for them...

Umm...your idea of perfection may be catastrophically flawed, if you think marriage in and of itself is perfection. Have you had a look at the divorce rate by chance? What about the domestic violence rates? How about how many women prefer their pet dogs to their husbands company? How about the adultery rates?

By the way - do you really think Mary would ever be faithfull if things started getting a little strained, difficult, or boring?

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@MichaelJ,

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What work do women EVER have to do to attract a man?????

Are you not aware that women (in general) practice from the time they become attracted to men - that they practice how to entice a man?

Have you not seen the plethora of magazines they read? A lot of it is about attracting the man they want.

Do you think that when they read romance novels, they aren't also thinking about how to land the man of their dreams?

Do you think they pay so much attention to the way they dress just because they are vain? They recognise they are in a competition to entice, and they go out of their way to compete...why do you think they are often so catty towards other women?

Do you think they don't pay attention to how other girls 'land' a man?

Seriously, girls put a lot of background effort in...and because their weapon is 'enticing', rather than 'hunting' it's a great deal less obvious.

I recently read a book that stated a scientific study of single men & women in social settings (places where singles were known to be found) discovered that 80% of intiation was started by the women...for in that 80%, even though the male approached first...the woman displayed to the male the intiating sign of interest, and after that the guy approached.

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@vikorr,

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Mary didn't respect herself, obviously or she wouldn't have been so promiscuous. But that didn't matter because she had a pretty face and a vagina, so she didn't need to do any work on her own self.
Really? Do you not see the lack of respect you have for her in how you wrote that?"

She lacked respect for herself ght when she fucked all those guys. one after another. i didn't do that for her. how do i have no respecgt? I tried to make an hoinest women of her

I'm high as chite right now 9. Had a dude call me up tonight, trying a drug i've never tried before. calloing in sick tomoro, **** it. too pissed off, but feel good now tho

"can life have meaning if your dreams are unattainable?

NO!

because life is all about being the winner! mary taught me that. and she wins!

******* she wins, she's married, she gets the kid an the picket fence. fuckit might as well call in the curtain.

"Umm...your idea of perfection may be catastrophically flawed, if you think marriage in and of itself is perfection. Have you had a look at the divorce rate by chance? What about the domestic violence rates? How about how many women prefer their pet dogs to their husbands company? How about the adultery rates?"

i've seen the pictures of them together vikkor, she wins. i can't win. no matter what i do, might as well have fun Smile

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@MichaelJ,

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i've seen the pictures of them together vikkor, she wins. i can't win. no matter what i do, might as well have fun

She taught you life is about winning?

Hun, life is about enjoying..

You are so hung up on this woman only because she left you... 2nd woman.. Why is that? Is that not what you should be focusing on instead of the Devil's got ya, because you are letting these two women dictate your life, AFTER the fact....

Tell me 10 women have done it and you tried and I'll feel sorry for you, but 2? What are you going to do about it? You want to get even, sharpen up.. .Grow some balls and get going with how you are going to find what YOU want instead of being with two people that weren't for you, and found what THEY wanted.

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