Can life have meaning if your dreams are unattainable?

p.s. I'm 33 hawkeye...

I don't know about any other women, but I can take care of my own material needs and the only thing I ask from anyone else, man or woman, is respect.
You seem to be unable to extend that to women as a gender, so that may be where your problem lies.

Anyone who generalizes about ALL women or ALL men after a few bad experiences with one or two of them is a shallow thinker and not really interesting to talk to, much less enter into a relationship with.

That is the unloving way to put it, as well as simplistic. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that right now bitterness is your worst enemy. Have you read David Deida? Look him up, his books likely will help you to understand.

Well, it doesn't have to necessarily be feminist lies. People who's mother was the prime influence in their lives (ie they didn't have a strong father figure model) tend to be 'nice guys'...having believed their mothers about how to treat women...who invariably tell their boys to treat their women like princesses and give them everything they want.

Unfortunately that tends to lead to their boys growing into men who let themselves getting walked over, which turns women off.

In a rather complex area...and as a generalisation...I don't particularly buy it as 'women are manipulative though' - it seems to me that most genuinely are confused about what they want - they actually believe that they want what they say they want...but when they get it, they get turned off (this is generalisation of course, and it changes markedly from this as women get older and learn about themselves more)

My view is that genetics play a significant part in these things...even 'golddiggers' make sense when you think of such from a caveman / genetic drive point of view. As does what women find themselves being attracted to. As does why women like men to stand up for themselves, and go after what they want etc...even while also wanting to be treated like a princess...in public of course.

That is a long winded way of saying you can be nice & stand up for yourself & go after what you want...but being nice without the other stuff is just not going to get you anywhere.

edit : as an aside, after learning this...whenever I've come across women classing guys as 'nice guys' (ie in a way that means they aren't interested), I've said 'if you find out who was the primary influence in raising him, I bet it was his mother, or that his father didn't take part in raising him much'. The responses from the ones that knew haven't yet failed to back up the theory.

OK, so you are a couple of years late in discovering that Santa is not real, no biggie.

Have I said anything negative about men? No, absolutely nothing negative at all.

But we all know how you feel about women--ad nauseum.

I find it bizarre that anyone would dislike, let alone hate, an entire gender--and then bemoan the fact that he's not involved with a member of that gender. But not much you've said in this thread makes much sense, MichaelJ.

since you dont need a man why should a man bother with you? I would not, no passion is a deal breaker for me.

So true, one of my daughters just broke up with one of these useless guys yesterday....always right on schedule with the flowers and the candy, but she told me last night that once she could predict like clockwork when he would show up none of it meant a thing.

"In a rather complex area...and as a generalisation...I don't particularly buy it as 'women are manipulative though' - it seems to me that most genuinely are confused about what they want - they actually believe that they want what they say they want...but when they get it, they get turned off (this is generalisation of course, and it changes markedly from this as women get older and learn about themselves more)"

Ok, I STRONGLY agree with this, but I am very drunk (arguing with people all is tiring. I will have something to say about this later...

"I would not, no passion is a deal breaker for me."

I want to buy you a drink!!!! I could not agree with that more!!!

What the hell are you talking about? I don't need a man to take care of my material needs or give me money. That doesn't mean I don't need a man for friendship, companionship, and yes sex - since I'm not a lesbian.

You're not the kind of man I'd like to have bother with me, so I'm happy you're not interested. But I'm not worried - I have men who like to bother with me - they feel my passion.

I don't feel passion for men who only feel passion for women who exhibit the willingness to be dominated and beaten as an expression of their passion.

says the guy who claims that he wants to ****, but being BFFs is so much more important..*sarcasm*

"But not much you've said in this thread makes much sense, MichaelJ."

100% BULL ******* ****

Hahahaha! give me till tomorrow, I will explain..

"respect" is the antithesis of passion, and no matter how hard you try you cant back-peddle from that claim at this point.

Huh??!!

I actually COULD only feel passion toward someone I respect.

You're ******* weird - so you feel passionate only for those who are not worthy of your respect?

I guess that makes sense then- your whole beat and humiliate the person you love ****.

Get the hell out of here and don't try to peddle your sickness as the depiction of a healthy relationship.

I don't want to feel sorry for the person I'm ******* - you weirdo.

just woke up to pee...


Whoo, I have a lot to say about all this tomorrow after work when I can organize my thoughts.

Oh look, two misogynist have found each other. Hawkeye, promoting rape and child pornography and MichaelJ - lost brothers here!

I hope no woman in their right mind will ever look at either one of you! You're both more than pathetic and deserve whatever is handed to you!

The most sickening in all of this is that you're trying to attack firefly, who has shown nothing but patience and good faith in you, MichaelJ. You are a very sorry excuse of a human being! Hawkeye is even a few steps below, but no one here will dispute that anyway, we know his m.o.

Well I'm sure you'll be really proud when the 'real man' she ends up with, beats the crap out of her because she's not turning enough tricks.

Thanks, CJ.

What's even crazier is that he is attacking me for saying things I never said.

The "you must have problems with men" business is ridiculous, and I don't need to defend the fact that I am a heterosexual female who has never had significant problems, of any sort, with men. If MichaelJ and Hawkeye think that women who don't agree with them are man-haters, then there must be an unusual abundance of man-haters around here judging by the consistently negative reactions they both elicit. Both of them are too rigid and insecure to ever admit they might be wrong, and they're particularly threatened when it's a female pointing that out, and they both react in a rather immature manner.

The two misogynists have found each other. They deserve each other.