I accidently posted nekkid pictures of myself on Facebook

Still, I hear tone that people just don't have her experience and are therefore judgemental. Same with Thomas. Somewhat with me.
But that's actually true, some societies would think all this is silly (well, to distinguish, maybe not entirely about all the internet fling).

It seems to be hardwired.

I'm uncomfortable with this word comfortable.



It's another one of those "I'm trying to say something without actually saying anything" words.

Comfort level. That's even worse.

I consider this all to be a learning curve, for some the hard way.

Eva wrote:

She meant it was self-evident.

I know what she meant, and it's what I referred to as truthiness. As Wikipedia puts it, "truthiness is a 'truth' that a person claims to know intuitively 'from the gut' or because it 'feels right' without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts." I think the point is relevant here because people who post naked pictures of themselves on the internet evidently have a very different thought processes than Chai, if they have any. (They are very different from mine as well.) Because these people are so different from us, our intuitions are treacherous guides for figuring out what makes them tick. If it's nitpicky of me to point that out, so be it.

No, it's a convention. If it was hardwired, the standard for what's modest would be the same in Sweden as in the United States, because people's hardwiring is the same in both places. The fact that standards differ tells us this thing is not hardwired.

Conventions don't just differ between countries, they also change over time. So maybe these online exhibitionists are idiots. Or maybe they just follow different conventions than we and their employers do. Unless we have actual information about their thought process, if any, why pretend that we know either way?

I also agree with Chai that people who post naked pictures of themselves online are idiots

No, it's a convention. If it was hardwired, the standard for what's modest would be the same in Sweden as in the United States, because people's hardwiring is the same in both places. The fact that standards differ tells us this thing is not hardwired.

And then my daughter has seen me naked countless times - I used to put her in the bath with me to save water and time. Yet and although she has a beautiful figure, she doesn't feel comfortable walking down the beach without a cover up. When I bought her a two piece bathing suit as a little girl, she spent the whole time tugging the top down and the bottom up trying to cover her belly. I never bought her another two piece again. She was hardwired to want to be covered up.
Good - I respect that.
Anyway, despite having been raised by such a modest mother, I am totally comfortable being naked, especially swimming and have been stripping off to go swimming since I was about fifteen. Who cares?

You're kidding. Why would you not take Sturgis as seriously as you take yourself?

Sturgis is exceptionally thoughtful, very honest. You think you are smarter?

I agree with you that it's a convention. I also agree with Chai that people who post naked pictures of themselves online are idiots.

But don't you think individual people are hardwired in their own individual ways? I know I'm hardwired to enjoy feeling unconstrained in general - by clothing, by conventions, by other peoples' opinions.

Eva wrote:

I agree with you that it's a convention. I also agree with Chai that people who post naked pictures of themselves online are idiots.

You truthinesser!