Why I am not Voting Obama

@Sturgis,

You seem to be enjoying it and Mr. Marxist Obama.

@H2O MAN,

Enjoying what?

I am not an Obama supporter, in point of fact a review of my posts would tell you that.

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@Frank Apisa,

You are right about the independent vote not being there for Obama, however, from what I can see, they are not for anyone else either but keep on hoping someone else is going to come along.

Perhaps those that identify themselves as independent are shrinking because of right now, though that could and probably will change, Romney and Obama are fairly close in the polls with Obama being slightly ahead.

RCP

In the end, I think it is going to come down to the economy, if it tanks real bad, Obama will loose, if it stays relatively the same or even slightly better, Obama will win.

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@revelette,

Many of us are still waiting for a small government conservative/centrist. Obama fits the centrist bill, but he's no small government conservative. That's why America Elects may be a force this year.

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@JPB,

Oh well, as to that, I don't understand why the independents voted for him in 2008 if the reason they are against him now is because he is not small government. He never advertised as such which is why he had all those socialist charges made against him by conservatives during the campaign and beyond.

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

Oh well, as to that, I don't understand why the independents voted for him in 2008 if the reason they are against him now is because he is not small government. He never advertised as such which is why he had all those socialist charges made against him by conservatives during the campaign and beyond.

I'm an independent. I'm voting for Obama this year because the GOP has lost touch with reality to the point where any of them in the head office is too terrifying a thought to process.

I also might be somewhat unique among my fellows in that I think the notion of small government is a crock of bull.

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@revelette,

Because John McCain chose Sarah Palin as a running mate. There's more to it than that, of course, but that's a big part of it. Independents, I think, saw him as the centrist he is, but they also got caught up in the "hope and change" message. They wanted to give that a chance to succeed and it certainly wasn't going to succeed under McCain/Palin. It was an emotional and pragmatic choice given who was on the other ticket.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

Many of us are still waiting for a small government conservative/centrist. Obama fits the centrist bill, but he's no small government conservative. That's why America Elects may be a force this year.

Uh, that person would be significantly to the RIGHT of the GOP candidates, neither of whom is a 'small government' Conservative. Good luck getting that out of 'America Elects.'

Or heck, maybe you will, which would actually be fantastic for Obama.

Cycloptichorn

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@Questioner,

I think the notion of ever-increasing deficits is a bigger crock. If Obama starts talking about significant reductions in the deficits (I've only ever heard him talk about slowing the rate of growth of the curve) in a meaningful way then I'm back on board. Otherwise, I'm looking for a candidate who will look at the people who elected all these yokels over the years and tell them that the cost of recovery has to be on their shoulders not the next generations.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

I think the notion of ever-increasing deficits is a bigger crock. If Obama starts talking about significant reductions in the deficits (I've only ever heard him talk about slowing the rate of growth of the curve) in a meaningful way then I'm back on board. Otherwise, I'm looking for a candidate who will look at the people who elected all these yokels over the years and tell them that the cost of recovery has to be on their shoulders not the next generations.

The plan Obama presented to the GOP last year (cuts in Medicare and SS, freezes in domestic spending, in trade for tax increases) would have narrowed the deficit to almost nothing within 7 years; rising tax receipts would likely have made up the rest of the difference. The GOP rejected that plan - they won't agree to any tax increases, no matter what.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Which is why I'm not supporting the GOP. I'm not talking about only narrowing the annual deficit, cyclo. I'm talking about paying it off.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

Which is why I'm not supporting the GOP. I'm not talking about only narrowing the annual deficit, cyclo. I'm talking about paying it off.

Well, one side has presented a plan that can lead to this, the other side refuses to even discuss the necessary elements of any plan to do so. Not hard to see who is doing a better job representing your interests in that area.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I'll be on board with the Dems just as soon as they start talking about eliminating the deficit and paying down our debt in a meaningful way. I agree that the current R majority needs to go. I don't think the Dems are at all serious about debt reduction.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

JPB wrote:

Which is why I'm not supporting the GOP. I'm not talking about only narrowing the annual deficit, cyclo. I'm talking about paying it off.

Well, one side has presented a plan that can lead to this, the other side refuses to even discuss the necessary elements of any plan to do so. Not hard to see who is doing a better job representing your interests in that area.

Cycloptichorn

This whole concept of "sides" is what folks in one camp or the other are missing. We don't want to pick "sides" we want solutions!

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

JPB wrote:

Which is why I'm not supporting the GOP. I'm not talking about only narrowing the annual deficit, cyclo. I'm talking about paying it off.

Well, one side has presented a plan that can lead to this, the other side refuses to even discuss the necessary elements of any plan to do so. Not hard to see who is doing a better job representing your interests in that area.

Cycloptichorn

This whole concept of "sides" is what folks in one camp or the other are missing. We don't want to pick "sides" we want solutions!

Sorry, this is meaningless bullshit. It completely disregards the way our political system actually works.

You don't want there to be 'sides,' but there clearly ARE sides in our government. The GOP hates Obama and will not agree to anything that helps him, period.

The best you can do is support the 'side' who is trying to bring about a solution. The idea that we are all going to sing kumbayah and lower the deficit magically is a joke, it will never happen, because closing the deficit and lowering the debt requires tax increases and the GOP will never agree to those, ever - it is the base and fundamental structure of their party to oppose tax increases, their overwhelming issue.

Cycloptichorn

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

I'll be on board with the Dems just as soon as they start talking about eliminating the deficit and paying down our debt in a meaningful way. I agree that the current R majority needs to go. I don't think the Dems are at all serious about debt reduction.

I think Obama is serious about it, but I don't think the Dems in Congress are very serious about it.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Obama is serious about racking up more dept while restricting economic growth.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

This whole concept of "sides" is what folks in one camp or the other are missing. We don't want to pick "sides" we want solutions!

Congress Democrats have offered a solution to the long-term debt problem, even though it falls short of what you want. By contrast, Congress Republicans have voted against the solution and proposed a tax policy that would make the problem worse in the long run. Evidently, then, to vote for the politicians with the solution is to pick the Democratic side, even if picking sides is not the reason you'd be doing it. (This is true for the solution to this particular problem, anyway.)

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@Cycloptichorn,

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You don't want there to be 'sides,' but there clearly ARE sides in our government. The GOP hates Obama and will not agree to anything that helps him, period.

Not if there's a viable third party alternative. I don't know that there will be one this year, but I'm more hopeful than I've been in that past. IF there is a centrist, small government conservative that filters through the America Elects process then I will work hard to bring attention to that candidate. Otherwise, I'll be working to eliminate the Republican stranglehold in the House.

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@Thomas,

Really? I just googled "Democrat solution to long term debt problem" and came up empty with regards to anything that describes/explains how the Dems are going to balance the budget and pay off our debt. What ya got?

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