Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

@hawkeye10,

It was @ 1:46 that the call starts where the CG orders the captain to go back on board, this being almost two hours after he was first spotted ashore. My question is why more than three hours after the CG started operations and after it is clear that this captain is not doing his job are they still arguing with him trying to get him to do his job? Why hasn't the CG by then airlifted a commander to the scene?

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@hawkeye10,

Once more why in the hell would there be a need to airlift anyone to the ship the captain being AWOL or not and where was the other bridge officers????????????

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Apparently, the captain tripped and fell into a lifeboat. The rest of the officers must have tripped as well, because none of them were on board.

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@Ceili,

Yes. The captain tripped and fell into a lifeboat. So did the other officers, but not the cooks who helped in the evacuation. When the captain was ordered back onto the ship, he was foiled again! There was another boat blocking his passage.

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@cicerone imposter,

My bias is that we have a useless piece of **** captain here, possibly a cowardly liar, but firefly maybe right that previous escapede(s) (by him? someone else?) were not reacted to.

Who was it, GeorgeOB? who mentioned seeing the rocky coast was essentially warning enough (not that he said that in so many words, or maybe he did). I'm surmising the company is somewhat complicit re promoting jollyness. Obviously, I don't know.

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@ossobuco,

Maybe the last time someone tried this stunt, it was at low tide.

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The captain reportedly told the investigating judge in the city of Grosseto that he had decided to sail close to Giglio to salute a former captain who had a home on the Tuscan island.

"I was navigating by sight because I knew the depths well and I had done this manoeuvre three or four times," he reportedly said.

"But this time I ordered the turn too late and I ended up in water that was too shallow. I don't know why it happened."

The ship's owners, Costa Crociere, said earlier this week that the change of route had not been authorised

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16620807

It matters not at all that this joy ride was not authorized if he has done it 3-4 times before and the corporation did not care.

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@hawkeye10,

Somehow, it sounds like the water was too shallow. Oh, and somehow, the rock wasn't supposed to be there. I am real sure "I don't know why it happened" is a true statement. Actually, it's kind of a testament to his skills and knowledge.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

Somehow, it sounds like the water was too shallow. Oh, and somehow, the rock wasn't supposed to be there. I am real sure "I don't know why it happened" is a true statement. Actually, it's kind of a testament to his skills and knowledge.

BBC is reporting that he now says that he ordered a turn too late, that "I dont know why it happened" relates to why the brain fart. Speculation is that there will be $1 billion in damages, to include the total loss of the ship. Hopefully Carnival's insurance premiums go up a lot.

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@ossobuco,

This is a big company. Are all the ships this shore friendly?

I remember in the sixties that people with volkswagens waved at each other. I can imagine ships and cohorts or villages doing that. Is this common?

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@ossobuco,

I guess I'll add that I had a friend who lived in one of the rooms in an artist building I rented a studio in, a million years ago. She was from India, lived in, I think, Egypt, for a while and then Australia and then the U.S., and she had some family around. I'm sure she's long ago a citizen but it was touch and go for a while. Anyway, later she worked for Princess Cruises, was a happy woman. Well, last I heard.

People I've known working at the edge of tourism have tapdanced to the odds. A waiter in Vallarta from Culiacan, and so on.

My point? This fellow at the helm reminds me in some ways of one of my favorite movies ever, Nino Manfredi in Bread and Chocolate.
I gather the dvd is grimy - I used to watch vcr.

http://www.amazon.com/Bread-Chocolate-Nino-Manfredi/dp/B00005U1YR/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1326935415&sr=1-1

I can allllllllllmost understand him.

But that's projection, I'm just trying to figure.

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@hawkeye10,

That's bad news for the cruise industry in so many ways; the sinking itself will result in many cancellations of bookings. Increased cost and the flood of staterooms that must be filled with all those new mega-ships being inaugurated will be a challenge for the industry for many years to come.

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@cicerone imposter,

Some of us, like me, think those mega ships are abominations. There's a current situation going on re megaships docking/messing up even more than it is, Venice, Italy.

I may be forced to side with Spendius on some of this. Grits teeth.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

That's bad news for the cruise industry in so many ways; the sinking itself will result in many cancellations of bookings. Increased cost and the flood of staterooms that must be filled with all those new mega-ships being inaugurated will be a challenge for the industry for many years to come.

A) too many ships with too many rooms have been built

B) we have had too many mass illnesses on ships

C) there have been a near constant stream of stories of rape on board and people going missing while on cruises

D) The economy has tanked and so cruise operators have had to resort to mass discounting to fill all of those rooms, an then in the face of that too preserve profits have had to start nickle and diming customers as well as cut back on amenities.

and now E) we now need to worry that Idiot Captains are routinely taking ships on dangerous joy rides and that the corporate bosses are fine with the practice as evidenced by the fact that they have not bothered to end it.

The straw that broke the camels back is E?

I for a long time have wanted to take a cruise, in spite of the fact that my wife has always hated the idea, but now I have little interest unless I can find a small ship with good food, a good bar, good service, with out kids. These giant ships interest me not at all.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

In the Coast Guards defense it appears that one of the many failures of this corporation was that they waited hours to alert the CG at all, so I dont know when the CG first had the opportunity to know how poorly this disaster was being handled, but I am not aware of any on the scene activity by them done in a timely manor and I am wondering why this is.

the tape most people have heard, with the Coast Guard fellow shouting at the captain was apparently recorded nine minutes after the grounding (at least that's how the tape is being introduced here)

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

In the Coast Guards defense it appears that one of the many failures of this corporation was that they waited hours to alert the CG at all, so I dont know when the CG first had the opportunity to know how poorly this disaster was being handled, but I am not aware of any on the scene activity by them done in a timely manor and I am wondering why this is.

the tape most people have heard, with the Coast Guard fellow shouting at the captain was apparently recorded nine minutes after the grounding (at least that's how the tape is being introduced here)

This in spite of the fact that I have told you that call happened at 1:46 Drunk

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MILAN - At 1 .46 on Saturday morning the commander of the Concord Francesco Schettino received yet another call from the Coast Guard. In principle there is the captain Gregorio Maria De Falco. The call is agitated tones and warm up quickly. The Corriere Fiorentino has released the audio ( LISTEN ). Here are the most significant passages:

Falco: "I am De Falco from Livorno, speak with the commander? Schettino: "Yes, good evening, Commander De Falco," Falco: "Tell me his name please?" Schettino: "I am the commander Schettino, Captain, ' Falco: "Schettino? Listen Schettino. There are people trapped on board. Now she goes with his boat under the ship's starboard bow. There is a biscaggina. She rises and goes to biscaggina on that board. It should be on board and brings me how many people are there. The clear? I'm recording this communication ...». Commander Schettino Schettino :

"Captain I say one thing ..." Falco: "You speak loudly. Put your hand in front of the microphone and speak in a louder voice, okay? " . Schettino: " At this moment the ship is inclined ...». Falco: "I understand. Listen: there are people coming down from biscaggina bow. She runs through the biscaggina in the opposite direction, gets on the ship and tells me how many people and what they have on board. Got it? He says if there are children, women or people in need of assistance. It tells me the number of each of these categories. It 'clear? Schettino Watch that she was perhaps saved from the sea but I wear it ... really bad ... I go to the trouble of soul. Go on board, ****! "

Schettino: "Captain, please ..." Falco: "No, please ... Now she takes it and goes on board. I am sure that is going on board ...».

Schettino: "I'm going to side with a spear of relief, I'm here, I'm not going anywhere, I'm here ..."
Falco: "What are you doing sir? "
Schettino: "I am here to coordinate relief efforts ..."
Falco: "What is coordinating there? Go on board. Coordinate relief efforts from the edge. She refuses?
Schettino: "No, no I'm not refusing."
Falco: "She is refusing to go on board the commander? Tell me why do not we go? "
Schettino: "I'm going there because there is another boat that has stopped ...».

Falco: "You go on board, is an order. You must not make further assessments. She said the abandon ship, now I'm in charge. She goes on board! It 'clear? Do not you hear me? Go, call me directly on board. There's my aerosoccorritore there. " Schettino: "Where is her rescuer?" Falco: "My rescuer's bow. Next. There are already dead Schettino. " Schettino: "How many bodies are there?" Falco: "I do not know .. One I know. One I heard. She has to tell me how many there are, Christ. " Schettino: "But you realize that it's dark and here we see nothing ...». Falco: "And who wants to go home Schettino? And 'dark and wants to go home? Go up on the bow of the ship through the biscaggina and tell me what you can do, how many people are there and what they need. Now. "

Schettino: «(...) are together with the second in command. " Falco: 'Get them both then. (...) She and her second climb aboard now. It 'clear? ". Schettino: "commands, I want to get on board, simply that the other boat here ... There are other rescuers, she stopped and was installed there, now called other rescuers ...». Falco: "You are telling me this hour. Now go on board, go to EDGE!. And I immediately say how many people are there. " Schettino: "Okay master ' Falco: "Go, now!"

http://www.corriere.it/cronache/12_gennaio_16/procuratore-grosseto-schettino-fermato-perche-poteva-fuggire_76f76cec-4029-11e1-a5d2-75a8a88b1277.shtml

Translation by Google

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@hawkeye10,

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Give it a shot, and let me know what you think.

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@firefly,

This is in the court of naval architects. However, in the Victorian era that was Brunel who built large cruise ships and he was a civil engineer. Anyway, even Titanic was double hulled even though that didn’t save it from the disaster. What percentage of total cost of a cruise liner will it add to make the modern luxury cruise ships double hulled below the waterline to save from disaster like this, even that may not happen in the life of many cruise ships. I mean a double hull with a decent gap of at least 500mm in between and space between fully compartmentalised. The inner hull doesn’t have to be more than half the thickness of the ship’s hull. Besides, the decks below the waterline should have watertight doors to prevent water spreading across the whole decks. Some ships may have such safety doors but did this ship have such safety measures and if it did why that didn’t save the ship from disaster.

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@AnandLeo,

Sorry the Titanic was not repeat not double hulled as the designers wish to do so do but the bean counters veto it.

After the sinking it sister ships was placed in dry dock and double hulled if memory serve me correctly.

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@BillRM,

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Sorry the Titanic was not repeat not double hulled .........

Thank you for that correction.

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