blatham wrote:revel
You have no good historical cause for despair. Clinton, Reagan and the sitting presdient, for example, all looked highly unelectable at certain points in their campaigns.
Yeh. So, of course, did Dole, Dukakis, Mondale and Goldwater ...
blatham wrote:The Rove strategy will, as you suggest, be pregnant with the typical lies and personal slanders we've seen from him before, supported by whatever unprincipled tricks his crowd can muster to keep democrats out of the polling stations.
True, but that is not to say that some candidates are more or less vulnerable to Rovite attacks. Kucinich, for example, would be easier to hit against than Edwards.
The Deanies long used the same argument you've been using. Whenever someone raised the issue of electability about their candidate, vis-a-vis the many glaring ways in which he was vulnerable to a Rove-inspired Republican appeal to mainstream, blue-collar, Christian America, they would say - well, Rove is going to attack
any Democrat viciously, anyway - so why even take that argument into account, at all? Well, because they're gonna
try with anyone, true, but they're surely gonna have more or less of a field day depending on which man the Dems nominate.
blatham wrote:This time, because folks are increasingly coming to understand the degree to which Bush is an idealogue and extremist (and therefore, how dangerous he is), it seems likely that the trend to high voter turnout that we've seen in the primaries will carry over to the election. [..] If the Dems fail, it will be ONLY because they did not work hard enough to get out the vote.
Again, this argument doesnt seem to have picked up on the lessons of Dean's demise. The Dean argument, too, was that the Dems didnt need to go for the floating voters much - it was merely about rallying the troops, getting up the turnout. But Dean, the ultimate troop-rallyer, blatantly failed even in the primaries, in comparison with candidates that
did have cross-over appeal. (Yes, Kerry too, even though, as the above-posted numbers show, significantly less so than Edwards or Clark). Candidates that
did realise that in order to pull in the wavering Independents, one could not rely on the mere evilness of Bush; that whether those would come out for you depended as much on your own image.
Unlike what you suggest, even now few MOR Americans see Bush as "an idealogue and extremist". Even while his job approval rate is dropping precariously, he is still largely (and unbelievably) perceived as a nice guy. Its still an uphill struggle against him. You dont want someone who's all too vulnerable as being portrayed as too leftfield, too elitist, too much of a liberal know-it-all. Bush is folksy. You cant out-folk Bush, like Soz said, but it helps not to occupy the far other end of the spectrum. In order too repaint Bush as a rich guy who uses his office to help the top 1% and business buddies to tax cuts and contracts, you need an opponent who comes across as someone who
is one of you, who
does feel for and care about ordinary folk.
Both Dean and Kerry were/are uncomfortably elite (New England, Harvard/Yale liberal patricians). I'm not surprised to see in the polls that Kerry doesnt score so well among those who go for someone "who cares about people like you". One of the main reasons my sympathies were partly with Gephardt and Edwards was that they have a heart for blue-collar America. That again leads to anti-free trade stances I wouldnt be happy with. But it
feels better, and it feels like it would help them stand a chance.