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I predict - Sandusky will never go to trial and never see a jail cell.

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2012 04:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
Another point....we are talking about events that happened over a decade ago...I have enough trouble remembering what I did yesterday at my age, so let's be fair to Paterno here.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 08:15 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
[So when you have been in a difficult spot in your life and go talk to pappa in the attempt to sort it out, your pappa is a decider??? /quote]

Absolutely. The weight of the influence JoPa had on this organization was tremendous. And it appears he was not shy about wielding that influence.

In this case it seems he screwed up big time.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 09:28 am
Not a blade of grass was ever cut at Penn State's football field without Joe Paterno knowing about it.

American football is a cesspool of overblown personalities, sociopaths and vulturous miscreants of all kinds.

And I mean that from the seventh grade "Pop" leagues to the NFL.

Joe(a pox on all of it.)Nation
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 10:33 am
@hawkeye10,
One of the interesting aspects of aging is that while short-term memory fades, long-term memory holds up quite nicely.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 01:13 pm
@ehBeth,
I know. It's just fascinating.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:12 pm
@ehBeth,
Science does not support the assertion that a human can be expected to correctly recall the details of a conversation which took place 10 years ago. We tend to misremember in those cases where we have any recall at all, and our brains are able to store the entire memory of life so it actively sifts out information to make room for what is considered important.


If Joe did have a conversation about Sandusky (which at this point is only possible as the email never directly claims that they talked about sandusky) forgetting about it would be human. It is possible that Joe lied, but assuming that he did is an act of lack of empathy and charity.


ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
as the email never directly claims that they talked about sandusky


have you got a link to the email?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:46 pm
@ehBeth,
Not on me. The words as I recall them are "after talking with Joe I have decided...", which hints that sandusky was the subject of the talk but it may well have been about power, the culture of Penn St, personal responsibility, and so on. When I am dealing with a problem which I am trying to sort I often talk about things with advisors not directly related to the problem which I am trying to solve.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 04:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
Your strength of denial is overwhelming.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 04:05 pm
@IRFRANK,
more little pieces of information are leaking out

http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/national/probe-eyes-paternos-preference-for-handling-problems-internally_7667701
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 05:39 pm
@IRFRANK,
IRFRANK wrote:

Your strength of denial is overwhelming.


It certainly seems that my standards of evidence before deciding that a person is scum are higher than yours are.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 04:27 pm
The Freeh report is out Thursday. If there exists evidence that Paterno was bad he almost certainly found it...if there is none then it is time for everyone to leave the memory of Paterno alone.

I make no prediction, I only point out that we have as of today very little evidence that suggests that Paterno did more wrong than he admitted to.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 09:57 am
@hawkeye10,
Here you go: Total and utter disregard for the victims.

Way to go, JoePA.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/07/10/sandusky_case_independent_investigation_of_penn_state_involvement_in_sandusky_cover_up_to_be_released_thursday_.html

Joe(coveryourassuniversity)Nation
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 10:08 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The Freeh report is out Thursday. If there exists evidence that Paterno was bad he almost certainly found it...if there is none then it is time for everyone to leave the memory of Paterno alone.

I make no prediction, I only point out that we have as of today very little evidence that suggests that Paterno did more wrong than he admitted to.




Freeh report shows Paterno knew, as did others from Penn State.

As far as I am concerned all of them should fry in the dungeons of Hell.

Quote:
Report: Penn St. officials concealed sex abuse
By GEOFF MULVIHILL, GENARO C. ARMAS and MARK SCOLFORO
Associated Press

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Joe Paterno and other top Penn State officials hushed up child sex abuse allegations against Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago for fear of bad publicity, allowing the former assistant football coach to prey on other youngsters, according to a scathing internal report issued Thursday on the scandal.
"Our most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State," said former FBI Director Louis Freeh, who was hired by university trustees to look into what has become one of sports' biggest scandals. "The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized."
After an eight-month inquiry, Freeh's firm produced a 267-page report that concluded that the Hall of Fame coach, President Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz "repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse."
Paterno "was an integral part of this active decision to conceal," Freeh said at a news conference. He called the officials' disregard for child victims "callous and shocking."
School leaders "empowered Sandusky to attract potential victims to the campus and football events by allowing him to have continued, unrestricted and unsupervised access" to campus and to affiliate with the football program, the report said. The access, the report states, "provided Sandusky with the very currency that enabled him to attract his victims."
Freeh said officials had opportunities in 1998 and 2001 to step in.
Sexual abuse might have been prevented if university officials had banned Sandusky from bringing children onto campus after a 1998 inquiry, the report said. Despite their knowledge of the police probe into Sandusky showering with a boy in a football locker room, Spanier, Paterno, Curley and Schultz took no action to limit his access to campus, the report said
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The May 1998 complaint by a woman whose son came home with wet hair after showering with Sandusky didn't result in charges at the time. The report says Schultz was worried the matter could be opening "Pandora's box."
Then, in 2001, after a member of Paterno's staff saw Sandusky in a campus shower with a boy, officials did bar him from bringing children to campus and decided not to report him to child welfare authorities.
"There's more red flags here than you could count over a long period of time," Freeh said.
Sandusky is awaiting sentencing after being convicted of 45 criminal counts for abusing 10 boys. The scandal led to the ouster of Paterno and Spanier. Curley and Schultz are awaiting trial on charges accusing them of lying to a grand jury and failing to report abuse. They have pleaded not guilty.
Asked whether the officials' actions amounted to a crime such as conspiracy or obstruction, Freeh said that would be up to a grand jury.
In a statement, Paterno's family said the longtime coach made mistakes that he acknowledged but "never interfered with any investigation" and was fooled by Sandusky.
"The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn't fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events," the statement said. "If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions."
Trustee Anthony Lubrano, a critic of the board's dismissal of Paterno in November, said the board was still formulating a response.
Freeh also said Sandusky's conduct was in part a result of the school's lack of transparency, which stemmed from a "failure of governance" on the part of officials and the board of trustees. He said the collective inaction and mindset at the top of the university trickled all the way down to a school janitor who was afraid for his job and opted to not report seeing sex abuse in a school locker room in 2000.
The report also singled out the revered Penn State football program - one built on the motto "success with honor" - for criticism. It says Paterno and university leaders allowed Sandusky to retire in 1999, "not as a suspected child predator, but as a valued member of the Penn State football legacy, with future `visibility' at Penn State'," allowing him to groom victims.
Investigators, however, found no evidence linking his $168,000 retirement package to the 1998 police investigation. Freeh called the payout unprecedented but said there was no evidence it was an attempt to buy Sandusky's silence.
Sandusky's trial last month included gut-wrenching testimony from eight young men who said he abused them as boys, sometimes on campus, and included testimony that showed he used his prestige as a university celebrity to manipulate the children.
By contrast, Freeh's team focused on Penn State and what its employees did - or did not do - to protect children.
More than 430 current or former school employees were interviewed since November, including nearly everyone associated with the football program under Paterno. The Hall of Fame coach died of lung cancer in January at age 85, without telling Freeh's team his account of what happened.
Some of the report's most damning evidence against Paterno consists of handwritten notes and emails that portray him as being involved with a decision by the officials not to tell child welfare authorities about the 2001 encounter.
Spanier, Schultz and Curley drew up a plan that called for reporting Sandusky to the state Department of Child Welfare. But Curley later said in an email that he changed his mind about the plan "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe."
Spanier concurred but noted "the only downside for us is if the message isn't (heard) and acted upon and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."
The emails also show Paterno closely followed the 1998 allegation.
With the report now complete, the NCAA said Penn State now must address four key questions concerning "institutional control and ethics policies," as outlined in a letter sent to the school last fall.
"Penn State's response to the letter will inform our next steps, including whether or not to take further action," said Bob Williams, the NCAA's vice president of communications. "We expect Penn State's continued cooperation in our examination of these issues."
The U.S. Department of Education is examining whether the school violated the Clery Act, which requires reporting of certain crimes on campus, including ones of a sexual nature. The report said Penn State's "awareness and interest" in Clery Act compliance was "significantly lacking."
Only one form used to report such crimes was completed on campus from 2007 through 2011, according to the Freeh findings. And no record exists of Paterno, Curley or assistant coach Mike McQueary reporting that McQueary saw Sandusky in a shower with a boy in 2001, as they would be obligated to do under the Clery Act.
As of last November, Penn State's policies for Clery compliance were still in draft form and had not been implemented, the report found.
U.S. Department of Education said it was still examining whether Penn State violated the Clery Act, but declined to comment on Freeh's report.
Mary Krupa, an 18-year-old Penn State freshman who grew up in State College, said the conclusion that the school's highest officials were derelict in protecting children didn't shake her love of the town or the school.
"The actions of five or six people don't reflect on the hundreds of thousands" of students and faculty who make up the Penn State community, she said while walking through the student union building on campus.
Freeh said he regretted the damage the findings would do to Paterno's "terrific legacy" but there was no attempt to pin the blame on the late coach.
"What my report says is what the evidence and the facts show," he said.
Christian Beveridge, a masonry worker who grew up near Penn State, said the findings will ruin Paterno's legacy but not the closeness that people in town and fans feel for him.
"He built this town," said Beveridge, 40, resting in the shade on campus during a break. "All of his victories, he'll be remembered by everyone in town for a long time, but there will be that hesitation."
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Armas reported from Scranton and Scolforo from Harrisburg. Marc Levy in State College, Maryclaire Dale in Philadelphia and Tim Reynolds in Miami contributed to this report.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 10:34 am
@Sturgis,
Quote:
Freeh report shows Paterno knew, as did others from Penn State.


I dont have a lot of time now so I have only skimmed the report....what strikes me is that there is little new information here, and certainly no smoking gun re Paterno. Re the much talked about leaked email all Freeh could come up with is nothing, he merely assumes that Paterno talked Curly? out of going to the authorities, in all of his interviews an e-mail reading he came up with no one who would confirm that this is truth.

I will read it more fully latter, as will tons of others, but this report at first glance seems to clear Paterno of any more wrong doing than what he admitted to.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 10:52 am
@hawkeye10,
I can't wait for your response to the Freeh report.

Total disregard for the welfare of the children involved.

Pretty much sums it up.

The only excuse Joe may have is his inability to grasp the reality. Not much of an excuse and indicates incompetance.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 10:54 am
@hawkeye10,
Absolute fantasy.

You need to take some time and reflect on this.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 11:05 am
@IRFRANK,
There is nothing that I have seen which indicates that Paterno was aware of any more than that sandusky was showering with boys and horsing around with them. AS I HAVE PREVIOUSLY STATED this used to be somewhat coommon. That Sandusky was sexually abusing boys he said he did not know, and the Freeh report at first glance does not refute that. Paterno had no moral responsibility to the victims because he was never awafe that there where victims.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 11:16 am
@IRFRANK,
the full report is available through a link here

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303740704577522603440183734.html

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2012 11:50 am
@ehBeth,
Freeh felt free to throw in loads of moral condemnation, but skip that as his moral prism is irrelavant here.....look into the report to see what he alleges the facts are.
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