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I predict - Sandusky will never go to trial and never see a jail cell.

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2012 09:21 pm
@hawkeye10,
Given the number of people who have spoken out publicly against Spanier's style of governance, he's going to have quite a battle.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2012 09:24 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Given the number of people who have spoken out publicly against Spanier's style of governance, he's going to have quite a battle.


He should have to battle to tell his side of the story to the board?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2012 09:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
He's going to have a battle getting anyone to believe him about anything.



(more reports still coming from an least one more investigation)
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2012 09:27 pm
@ehBeth,
He has no reputation for lying....his reputation is for being a sometimes asshole, for being unapproachable......you could say the same thing in spades about Steve Jobs and yet he is hero to many.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2012 09:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

He has no reputation for lying...


believe what you want
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2012 09:41 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

He has no reputation for lying...


believe what you want


I believe in truth. Where is your evidence?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2012 09:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
where is yours?


(I'll check back on you in a week or so)
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2012 10:21 pm
@ehBeth,
It is very difficult to prove that something does not exist (see the God threads for example). I have however not seen a single quote from someone who says that this guy ever lied to them. I also see where board members trusted him to tell them what they needed to know, and before the end never had reason to think that they were idiots. See the Freeh report for conclusions about how the board was very stand off-ish. They trusted their president, this much is very clear. They also trusted Paterno. Those with a reputation for lying are never trusted.

There is my proof. Now where is yours?

I never see it, because you as usual are running your mouth but have zip to back it up. (prediction, not statement of fact)
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 09:54 am
http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/07/26/and010405color_lr_custom.jpg?t=1343334115&s=4

Universities should hold bake sales and car washes to support their educational programs rather than enslave themselves to the heads of football programs.

Stop weeping over the legacy of any sports program and start paying attention to the children who, I repeat, were victims of sexual assault and rape.

Joe(and a cover-up)Nation
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 10:06 am
@Joe Nation,
Generally I agree but PEnn State had a very high standard set for its "scholar athletes "(yes it was presented in that order)
One of this years defensive line , eg, got perfect SAT's annd was his schools highest achieving scholar. Many of the players are (or were, depending on NCAA policy) among the class leaders in scholarship.
People went to PEnn State to get a education and fooball was the means. Its really too bad to make a distinction (like the cartoon) that doesnt exist at Penn State and (by virtu of Paternos influence in te Big 10), and of late, many of the other big schools
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 12:12 pm
@farmerman,
My only experience, direct, is with the University of Oklahoma under Switzer. He had players who, when we tried to do 30 second PSAs for the MD telethon couldn't read a cue card.

Joe(That may weigh on my bias)Nation
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 12:24 pm
@Joe Nation,
Quote:
Stop weeping over the legacy of any sports program and start paying attention to the children who, I repeat, were victims of sexual assault and rape

Justice results after taking it all in, so why would I do that?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 10:40 pm
Quote:
Over the next three days, the final agreement was hammered out.
There was almost no change in the penalties initially prescribed by the NCAA’s general counsel in that July 19 call. “No one should ever perceive this as being a negotiation,” Marsh noted.
It would include a four-year ban on bowl games and other postseason play. It would allow players to transfer immediately if they wanted to. It contained a reduction in football scholarships and a $60 million fine.
But in a victory of sorts for Penn State, there still would be football, and there still would be football on television.
Penn State had successfully pointed to its clean record in its sports programs, Marsh said.
It got credit for commissioning the internal examination by former FBI Director Louis Freeh and letting his investigators have free rein to find what they could.
It got credit for taking swift action to remove Paterno, Curley and President Graham Spanier shortly after Sandusky’s arrest.

Spanier, emails disclosed in the Freeh Report have said, supported decisions not to report a witness account of a shower-room incident between Sandusky and a boy to university police or any other investigative authorities.
Spanier, along with Paterno, who died in January, were fired. Curley was placed on leave, and Schultz retired.
And, finally, the university got credit for agreeing to its punishment.
“Had Penn State not been as forthright and open about this, had Penn State not been as decisive as they were, I don’t know what the outcome would have been, but I suspect it would have been significantly worse,” Emmert said last week.


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/penn_states_clean_sports_recor.html

"had Penn St not grovelled and been willing to sign anything put in front of me, had Penn State demanded justice, I don’t know what the outcome would have been, but I suspect it would have been significantly worse"Emmert said last week.

Not bloody likely. Emmert got rolled by the NCAA, but is too stupid to see this. Or maybe he now does but cant bring himself to admit it. History will not treat him well,
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2012 04:59 am
@hawkeye10,
It seems to me, Hawkeye10, that weeping for the program is all that you are doing.
It's just football.
In a hundred years, historians will note that amongst other pastimes of the populace was a game called football.
If they do even that.

Some psychologist may try to examine what seemed to be, on the part of some non-players, an obsession.

"But, after the full evidence of the brain injuries caused by playing the game was revealed in early 2014, it was abandoned much like jousting was in the Middle Ages."

Joe(There will be an exhibit about it at the Museum of Natural History)Nation
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Aug, 2012 07:26 pm
@Joe Nation,
There are many things wrong with the sports of football. The recent suicide of Junior Seau was a tragedy, but many football players sued the NFL and owners for their injuries.

I "enjoy" watching some sports, but don't engage in it on a regular basis.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2012 12:47 pm
http://news.fanfeedr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/teex-large.jpeg
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 03:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
HARRISBURG, Pa. -- A young man who testified against Jerry Sandusky sued Penn State on Friday for its "deliberate and shameful" handling of complaints that the former assistant football coach behaved inappropriately and sexually toward boys.
The suit filed by the person known as Victim 1 at Sandusky's trial said university officials made deliberate decisions not to report Sandusky to authorities.
It described their actions as "a function of (Penn State's) purposeful, deliberate and shameful subordination of the safety of children to its economic self-interests, and to its interest in maintaining and perpetuating its reputation."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/25/13468218-sandusky-victim-sues-penn-state-for-shameful-handling-of-complaints?lite

just goes to show than penn st will get no credit for attempting to fall on their sword and for denying the former leaders of the institution justice. the current leaders have failed penn st at least as much as did the old leaders.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2012 10:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
University Park, Pa. -- A crowd of about 350 packed the lawn of Penn State's administration building Saturday as alumni, faculty and students demanded the resignations of Gov. Tom Corbett, President Rodney Erickson and members of the Board of Trustees.
The Old Main building was the site for Saturday morning's "Rally for Resignation," which was organized by a group of alumni who are unhappy with the university's handling of the events surrounding the Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse scandal, as well as the board's firing of football coach Joe Paterno last fall.
A few protesters held signs with messages such as "Resign Now!!" and "Remember, remember the ninth of November," the day Paterno was fired. Nearly every person in the crowd also sported T-shirts containing messages such as "Fire 'em all" and "The Freeh report is a lie."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/bigten/story/2012/09/15/rally-at-penn-state-calls-for-resignation-of-president-board-members/57785446/1

it does appear that the folks in Happy Valley are beginning to figure out that current management is is incompetent and untrustworthy, they who just recently sold the loyal supporters down the river.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 06:10 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
just goes to show than penn st will get no credit for attempting to fall on their sword and for denying the former leaders of the institution justice. the current leaders have failed penn st at least as much as did the old leaders.

Primarily because only belatdly did the entire institutuion recognize that all actions have consequences. Apparently you think that the institutional cover -up is excuseable? I sure as hell dont.
Penn State has already accrued an unsidclosed amount for the use in settling civil suits
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 06:13 am
@hawkeye10,
Remember, the writers are partisan and Penn State is ground zero for mindless school spirit. I do agree however, Gov Corbett had let a lot of **** go under his bridge while he was initially investigating these crimes while he was the Pa AG.

Hes not done answering yet

 

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