OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 03:57 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I've never heard it before, we would refer to them as 'the deceased.'
We use that also; its perfectly acceptable.


izzythepush wrote:
I think it must be one of those words that only Americans use, like gubernatorial.
What word do u use in its stead??



izzythepush wrote:
There are bad spellers over here, but I understand the situation is much worse in America, people missing letters out
as a matter of course, and some even make a virtue of their terrible spelling. It must be very difficult.
Fonetic spelling (like the Spanish) will simplify the situation.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 04:02 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
What word do u use in its stead??


We don't have governors, so we don't need to use the word.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 04:15 am
@izzythepush,
So you say, Governor.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 04:20 am
@izzythepush,
A distinction can be made between people like David who claim that their bad spelling is a virtue, and those who follow the rules of spelling over here. Additionally, you're being (intentionally or otherwise) disingenuous. So, you still put an unnecessary "u" in words such as color, humor, honor--but you've dropped the final "k" from tragic, magic, etc. The English have accepted some examples of spelling reform, and not others.

In David's case, he often failes to recognize that others don't pronounce the language as he does, and that therefore, his quixotic spellings are not necessarily intuitive reforms. Personally, i also object that we lose something if the language is pasteurized and homogenized as though it were a quart of milk, and we were timorous city dwellers, fearful of drinking milk as it comes from the cow.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 04:29 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

So you say, Governor.


Have you morphed into Dick Van Dyke?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 04:30 am
I refuse to cooperate with your morbid obsession with morphology.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 04:35 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

So, you still put an unnecessary "u" in words such as color, humor, honor--but you've dropped the final "k" from tragic, magic, etc. The English have accepted some examples of spelling reform, and not others.


We're going to have to agree to differ on that. I read a book by an American writer recently, with your spellings, but the one exception was axe, which was spelled with an e. I always assumed you left the e out. Maybe our spellings are coming back through the back door. Although there is a chain of bathroom suppliers over here that call themselves 'Plumb Center,' so it's probably a two way street.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 04:42 am
@Setanta,
The reason I commented was that I've never heard anyone over here refer to anyone as 'governor.' In fact the only time I've ever come across it is watching American television, where one of the characters tries to adopt a 'British' accent. It's about as accurate as London fog, which existed in the 19th and early 20th Centuries because of the amount of heavy industry around the Thames. Various clean air acts have relegated London fog to the annals of History, but I still come across many Americans who believe the 'pea-souper,' is part of daily life.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:11 am
@izzythepush,
Ax spelled with an "e" would be unusual over here. I am actually in favor of language anarchy. I revel in different spellings and pronunciations. I will never, however, desist from poking the Angle-ish about their spellings. What? Would you have me give up that harmless entertainment? I think not.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:14 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
That a doctor thinks someone is dead, and that someone subsequently regains consciousness
is evidence of either the ignorance of the doctor, or the less than comprehensive state of medicine.
I will concede that, in some cases, that might be true, i.e.,
that the patient was not actually dead and that his death was misinterpreted;
anyone can make a mistake, but that 's not what the actual decedents
have in mind when thay use it.

Indeed, some of them describe it as awakening to a more clear reality
than thay had before the death. Some have had adventures
upon which thay report that later have been proven accurate.
For instance, a lady of my acquaintance, Mary Frances, spoke of
her death in the 1950s, while she had trouble giving birth
in a Florida hospital. She said that she saw one of her children
waiting her out, sitting on the top of a flight of wooden stairs
behind the hospital, and saw a female black cook give him
a slice of chocolate cake then descend the stairs and pull down
a miniature banana from a tree and give it to the boy.

She said that her thoughts then turned to her daughter in school,
several miles distant, whereupon she arrived in her class
and saw that a spelling test was being administered.
She saw that her child had misspelled one of the words
(not using fonetic spelling). She was invested with emotional
pain at the impending loss of her family, whereupon she
arrived back in the hospital and she re-entered her human body
and her body re-vived. Her doctor was enuf of a curious scientist
to inquire what it was like to be dead; she told him.

The cook confirmed the cake & the banana.
Mary 's husband was told of her adventures.
She said that he went to their child 's school,
the teacher confirmed that at the time of day
in question a spelling test was adminintered
and her daughter returned home with the misspelled word.

Revival of her human body co-incided with her re-entry therein,
she informed.


Setanta wrote:
If the heart is not pumping blood to the brain, you've got a few minutes until irreversible brain damage is done.
That has proven not always to be the case,
e.g., when a patient was on a mechanical pumping machine
when the heart is disconnected for work and the pump stops.
In this situation, after returning to life, the ex-deceased
(is that OK, Izzy?) has accurately described words and deeds
that were not discernable from his position on the table,
even if he had been awake.




Setanta wrote:
So no one who were "dead" for an hour would escape that damage, unless the blood were still circulating--in which case,
he or she had never been dead.
That was the old thinking, later disproven by experience.
Up until the Wright Bros. did their thing in Kitty Hawk,
respected physicists asserted with confidence that
heavier than air flight was impossible (as the birds & bees flew
by outside the window). Refutation of earlier scientific thought
is not a new event. Einstein partially disproved Newton, etc.
We live & learn.




Setanta wrote:
You can say what you like, but these people cannot accurately be called decedents (and i have no doubt you think you can argue that they are). You can argue that they were presumed decedents, but not that they actually were decedents.
I see no reason to reject the defintions & descriptions of the surgeons
and of the revived patients themselves, some of whom were senior medical doctors in their own right.

We need not limit our beliefs to radios; we can also believe in radio waves.





David
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:24 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I seriously doubt that you have any large body of anecdotal evidence for your claims, let alone more reliable evidence. If you want to continue to pretend that you have a serious basis for your silly remarks, you can do so without me.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:34 am
@Setanta,
I'm quite happy for you to carry on with your 'harmless' entertainment. At least you don't try to force your opinions on us, like some of your more obnoxious compatriots.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:44 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
I seriously doubt that you have any large body of anecdotal evidence for your claims,
That is an error; we have huge amounts of it.
Its astonishing how when the subject arises in casual conversation,
how ofen people tell of personal experiences with it.


Setanta wrote:
let alone more reliable evidence.
Confirmations of extra-human adventures exist, but thay r relatively rare.


Setanta wrote:
If you want to continue to pretend that you have a serious basis for your silly remarks, you can do so without me.
OK. We 'll see if we can manage or not.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:47 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I'm quite happy for you to carry on with your 'harmless' entertainment.
At least you don't try to force your opinions on us, like some of your more obnoxious compatriots.
Its the same as if u repudiate belief in math.

I 'd say: "believe what u want; its no skin off MY back."





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't agree with a lot of what you post Dave, but I don't find you obnoxious. Your postings do have an element of whimsical eccentricity.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:52 am
@izzythepush,
Be that as it may.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:53 am
@izzythepush,
Well, the spelling gestapo never prospered on this side of the pond, anyway.
Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:53 am
Pretty amazing! Less than 12 hours later and look at all the bloviation I missed. This could be the record as I can not recognize the topic of the OP judging from the responses. I write this not to be mean-spirited, mind you. Whimsical eccentricity, in DEED.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:56 am
@Ragman,
In word and deed . . .
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Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2011 06:01 am
Look at what the lengths of obfuscation some people will go to avoid talking about menstruation.
 

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