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Two weeks into Occupy Wall Street protests, movement is at a crossroads

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2012 06:51 pm
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2012 12:04 am
I've been sitting on this article for ages - I guess it's time to share it.

This bastardised libertarianism makes 'freedom' an instrument of oppression
It's the disguise used by those who wish to exploit without restraint, denying the need for the state to protect the 99%

George Monbiot
guardian.co.uk, Monday 19 December 2011 20.30 GMT

Freedom: who could object? Yet this word is now used to justify a thousand forms of exploitation. Throughout the rightwing press and blogosphere, among thinktanks and governments, the word excuses every assault on the lives of the poor, every form of inequality and intrusion to which the 1% subject us. How did libertarianism, once a noble impulse, become synonymous with injustice?

In the name of freedom – freedom from regulation – the banks were permitted to wreck the economy. In the name of freedom, taxes for the super-rich are cut. In the name of freedom, companies lobby to drop the minimum wage and raise working hours. In the same cause, US insurers lobby Congress to thwart effective public healthcare; the government rips up our planning laws; big business trashes the biosphere. This is the freedom of the powerful to exploit the weak, the rich to exploit the poor.

Rightwing libertarianism recognises few legitimate constraints on the power to act, regardless of the impact on the lives of others. In the UK it is forcefully promoted by groups like the TaxPayers' Alliance, the Adam Smith Institute, the Institute of Economic Affairs, and Policy Exchange. Their concept of freedom looks to me like nothing but a justification for greed.

So why have we been been so slow to challenge this concept of liberty? I believe that one of the reasons is as follows. The great political conflict of our age – between neocons and the millionaires and corporations they support on one side, and social justice campaigners and environmentalists on the other – has been mischaracterised as a clash between negative and positive freedoms. These freedoms were most clearly defined by Isaiah Berlin in his essay of 1958, Two Concepts of Liberty. It is a work of beauty: reading it is like listening to a gloriously crafted piece of music. I will try not to mangle it too badly.

Put briefly and crudely, negative freedom is the freedom to be or to act without interference from other people. Positive freedom is freedom from inhibition: it's the power gained by transcending social or psychological constraints. Berlin explained how positive freedom had been abused by tyrannies, particularly by the Soviet Union. It portrayed its brutal governance as the empowerment of the people, who could achieve a higher freedom by subordinating themselves to a collective single will.

Rightwing libertarians claim that greens and social justice campaigners are closet communists trying to resurrect Soviet conceptions of positive freedom. In reality, the battle mostly consists of a clash between negative freedoms.

As Berlin noted: "No man's activity is so completely private as never to obstruct the lives of others in any way. 'Freedom for the pike is death for the minnows'." So, he argued, some people's freedom must sometimes be curtailed "to secure the freedom of others". In other words, your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. The negative freedom not to have our noses punched is the freedom that green and social justice campaigns, exemplified by the Occupy movement, exist to defend.

Berlin also shows that freedom can intrude on other values, such as justice, equality or human happiness. "If the liberty of myself or my class or nation depends on the misery of a number of other human beings, the system which promotes this is unjust and immoral." It follows that the state should impose legal restraints on freedoms that interfere with other people's freedoms – or on freedoms which conflict with justice and humanity.

These conflicts of negative freedom were summarised in one of the greatest poems of the 19th century, which could be seen as the founding document of British environmentalism. In The Fallen Elm, John Clare describes the felling of the tree he loved, presumably by his landlord, that grew beside his home. "Self-interest saw thee stand in freedom's ways / So thy old shadow must a tyrant be. / Thou'st heard the knave, abusing those in power, / Bawl freedom loud and then oppress the free."

The landlord was exercising his freedom to cut the tree down. In doing so, he was intruding on Clare's freedom to delight in the tree, whose existence enhanced his life. The landlord justifies this destruction by characterising the tree as an impediment to freedom – his freedom, which he conflates with the general liberty of humankind. Without the involvement of the state (which today might take the form of a tree preservation order) the powerful man could trample the pleasures of the powerless man. Clare then compares the felling of the tree with further intrusions on his liberty. "Such was thy ruin, music-making elm; / The right of freedom was to injure thine: / As thou wert served, so would they overwhelm / In freedom's name the little that is mine."

But rightwing libertarians do not recognise this conflict. They speak, like Clare's landlord, as if the same freedom affects everybody in the same way. They assert their freedom to pollute, exploit, even – among the gun nuts – to kill, as if these were fundamental human rights. They characterise any attempt to restrain them as tyranny. They refuse to see that there is a clash between the freedom of the pike and the freedom of the minnow.

Last week, on an internet radio channel called The Fifth Column, I debated climate change with Claire Fox of the Institute of Ideas, one of the rightwing libertarian groups that rose from the ashes of the Revolutionary Communist party. Fox is a feared interrogator on the BBC show The Moral Maze. Yet when I asked her a simple question – "do you accept that some people's freedoms intrude upon other people's freedoms?" – I saw an ideology shatter like a windscreen. I used the example of a Romanian lead-smelting plant I had visited in 2000, whose freedom to pollute is shortening the lives of its neighbours. Surely the plant should be regulated in order to enhance the negative freedoms – freedom from pollution, freedom from poisoning – of its neighbours? She tried several times to answer it, but nothing coherent emerged which would not send her crashing through the mirror of her philosophy.

Modern libertarianism is the disguise adopted by those who wish to exploit without restraint. It pretends that only the state intrudes on our liberties. It ignores the role of banks, corporations and the rich in making us less free. It denies the need for the state to curb them in order to protect the freedoms of weaker people. This bastardised, one-eyed philosophy is a con trick, whose promoters attempt to wrongfoot justice by pitching it against liberty. By this means they have turned "freedom" into an instrument of oppression.

A fully referenced version of this article can be found at www.monbiot.com
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 30 Mar, 2012 11:34 am
Quote:
Illinois court denies NATO protesters’ parade-permit request
(The Associated Press, March 30, 2012)

CHICAGO — An administrative law judge yesterday denied protesters’ request to march through downtown Chicago at the start of the NATO summit, agreeing with officials who said the demonstration would interfere with traffic as dignitaries arrive and place an undue strain on city resources.

Judge Raymond Prosser avoided ruling on any First Amendment issues raised by protesters in turning down the permit for the summit’s start May 20. Protesters have vowed to stage a march that day anyway.

Protest groups already have a valid permit for May 19 to coincide with the G-8 summit, a meeting of world leaders that is smaller than NATO and routinely attracts huge protests. But they want to change the date because the G-8 has been moved from Chicago to the Camp David presidential retreat near Washington. The NATO meeting is scheduled for May 20-21 in Chicago.

City officials argued that there would already be a traffic challenge downtown with 50 heads of state in town, some in motorcades. Prosser agreed.

“I find that at the time, place of assembly, and route of the proposed parade will place undue strain on city resources to such an extent that the city will be unable to effectively mitigate the disruption,” Prosser said in the 23-page ruling.

Steve Patton, corporation counsel for the city of Chicago, said officials were pleased with the ruling.

“As the mayor has said, the city’s aim is to protect the First Amendment rights of protesters, while also protecting the public’s health and safety, including that of the protesters,” Patton said in a statement. “Today’s decision helps us achieve these goals.”

Protesters also want to start their march at Daley Plaza, which is centrally located in Chicago’s Loop. In denying the request, the city suggested the parade start from Grant Park, saying it would better accommodate a large group and require fewer road closures.

Prosser also agreed with the change of venue, calling it “a reasonable accommodation.”

The protesters have refused to agree to the alternate route, and activist organizer Andy Thayer of the Coalition Against the NATO/G8 War & Poverty Agenda said yesterday that the group planned to forge ahead with the May 20 event in the location they chose. No decision has been made on the next step in the legal challenge, he said.

Protest organizers are disappointed in the ruling, which Thayer said “defies logic.”

“There’s people playing politics with the law and the First Amendment here, unfortunately,” he said.


In my opinion, this is a reasonable time, place, and manner restriction on the exercise of First Amendment rights. The city has also made accommodations.
demonhunter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Mar, 2012 11:14 pm
@wandeljw,
two weeks? you wish. TROLL!
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2012 08:55 am
@demonhunter,
demonhunter wrote:

two weeks? you wish. TROLL!
Problems allowed to grow and gather momentum for over 2 hundred years will not be fixed in two weeks...
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 6 Apr, 2012 06:43 pm
This person starts off kind of poorly in my opinion but I am glad I watched the whole thing.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2012 10:56 am
Again, First Amendment rights are subject to appropriate time, manner, place restrictions.

Quote:
Federal judge: New Haven may enforce rules against Occupy camp
(Associated Press, April 10, 2012)

NEW HAVEN, Conn. — A federal judge ruled yesterday that the city has a right to remove from the Green one of the last remaining Occupy camps in New England.

U.S. District Judge Mark Kravitz said New Haven may enforce its rules for the Green, a downtown park and recreation area that is privately owned by a committee of proprietors but is maintained by the city and is one of the country’s oldest public places, in use since 1638. He said since the demonstration is not in compliance with the rules, the city can require the protesters to remove their encampment.

“The city’s rules governing the use of the New Haven Green, as established and clarified through longstanding practice, are constitutionally acceptable, content-neutral restrictions on the time, place and manner in which members of the public can exercise their most important civic rights in New Haven’s most important public space,” the judge wrote. “Properly employed, rules like these do not stifle speech, but coordinate it to allow for expression that is as vibrant and varied as possible.”

The judge asked the city to allow the protesters until at least noon today to clear and clean the encampment.

Mayor John DeStefano Jr. said the city would honor the judge’s request and expected the protesters to do the same. He said the judge’s ruling “means that the New Haven Green will once again be a place for all and not serve as a private residence for a few.”

The protesters, adopting many of the techniques and aims of the Occupy Wall Street demonstration in New York, have lived in tents on the Green opposite the gate of Yale’s Old Campus for 176 days. The judge said if the activists wish to continue protesting on the Green, they need only to apply for a permit.

Occupy New Haven’s lawyer, Norman Pattis, said he was disappointed with the ruling and would file papers with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals this morning.

“We’ve got a secret committee of proprietors telling us that they have a right to make rules govern what everyone regards as a public space,” Pattis said.

The judge said the status of the Green was potentially complicated by the relationship between the proprietors and the city.

While ruling against the protesters, he said the language of the city’s ordinances and the proprietors’ regulations alone “would not provide anything close to enough guidance to survive a First Amendment challenge.” He said the ordinance allows the city’s park director to reject any permit.

But the judge said the city’s practice of what is allowed is “remarkably constrained.”

“While the permit process required to build structures on the green, place signs there or use the green at night may, on its face, seem overly discretionary, it is sharply constrained by the consistent Parks Department practice of denying permits only when necessary to conserve the parks for safe, shared public use,” the judge wrote.

City ordinances prohibit temporary structures in parks except with written permits.

The city earlier asked the protesters to remove the structures by mid-March, saying they would allow the demonstrators to reassemble them for limited periods of up to a week. When the protesters remained on the Green, the city told them to remove the tents and leave the Green by March 14.

City officials and the Green’s proprietors say it’s a public space regulated by the city for the benefit of all. Officials say the protesters’ tents are fire hazards and are endangering the roots of century-old elm trees.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 12:26 pm
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For Occupy Wall Street, Rain, Crowds and Career Advice
(Jeff Cox, CNBC.com, May 1, 2012)

The boisterous musical parade of Occupy Wall Street protesters took an unfortunate right turn Tuesday and wound up in some unfriendly territory.

After tearing through a midtown Manhattan tour past a slew of big corporate offices, the noisy chants of the occupiers were interrupted on West 46th Street by a group of hard-hats not in the mood for populist rabble-rousing.

Whereas the OWS crowd proclaimed "we are the 99 Percent" and "banks got bailed out, we got sold out," a band of construction workers delivered chants of their own.

"Get-a-job! Get-a-job!" several workers atop a work site repeatedly hollered.

"Get a job! Stop wasting the cops' time!" yelled another, reffering to the large detail of officers clad in riot gear that accompanied the Occupy procession.

"Occupy my b----!" another offered.

They were similiar exchanges with more colorful language such as...well, you can imagine what happens once a group of construction workers meets up with a band of raggedy-attired anti-capitalists.

It wasn't pretty, and certainly not suitable for a family web site.

But such were the ups and downs of Occupy Wall Street's May Day demonstration, which certainly found its fair share of support around the bustling rain-drenched metropolis, but had trouble living up to the advance billing.

The idea was to organize a general strike of workers, students and virtually anyone else who wanted to join in the year-old broadside OWS has leveled against the evils of corporate greed and political corruption.

Occupiers picketed several New York bastions of capitalism, ranging from financial titan Bank of America to media congolemerates News Corp. and NBC Universal to publisher McGraw-Hill , which was targeted for outsourcing workers. (NBC is the parent company of CNBC.com.)

While some media coverage had anticipated that the protests would shut down several cities across the world and prevent people from going to work, it sure didn't work out that way in New York.

In fact, the total turnout for the morning marches wouldn't have shut down a decent-sized side street in the Bronx, let alone any major thorougfares in the financial capital of the world.

Still, organizers deemed the event a success.

"As far as numbers go, it's going to build up during the day," promised Mark Bray, an Occupy Wall Street media liaison. "For a rainy Tuesday morning, we had a good turnout."

Bray spoke as about three dozen Occupiers marched in front of Bank of America on the Avenue of the Americas across the street from Bryant Park. They chanted, "Bank of America, wrong for America" and other slogans that sometimes failed to stay, well, classy. ("Hey bofa, go f--- yourself" was one catchy refrain.)

As they paraded in front of the entrance, BofA workers processed quietly through on the way to their jobs. Multiple workers brushed past a reporter's efforts to get comment, save for one who sounded like one of the construction workers when, asked if he had a comment, barked, "yeah, get a job."

Nearby, though, stood some who were appreciative of the OWS effort.

"I respect them, I love them," gushed Lisa Coleman, a worker with the Service Employees International Union 1199. "Enough is enough. Take some of the salaries of these big-shot executives inside there and give some to the common people."

Along the parade route, UPS worker Seng Mohammad beamed as the protesters streamed by.

"I support them. If these politicians can say whatever the hell they want, why can't these people say whatever the hell they want?" he said.

The occupiers certainly said their piece, stopping along the way to sometimes little notice from the Manhattanites and tourists making their way through. There was only one significant confrontation with law enforcement, when cops in riot gear swooped in to push back protesters who got too close to the entrance of a Chase bank branch.

Otherwise it was business as usual for Occupy Wall Street, which may struggle to maintain relevance if it fails to draw crowds that are both larger and more representative of common folks during their events.

The group Tuesday was vintage OWS — decidedly younger, dressed more for a camping trip than a day on the job, armed with a long list of problems but few solutions.

"They need a bath and to look for something more meaningful to do," said Brian Murray, who works for a security firm in Westchester. "Collectively, they have no idea what they're even protesting. Not going to work is not going to bridge the gap."
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 12:30 pm
@wandeljw,
The only way those Occupy groups will have any "power" is by their votes in November. Not much else matters.

They have two choices; Liar Mitt, or Handicapped Obama.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 12:59 pm
@wandeljw,
Can you show me in the constitution where it states that there are restrictions on the 1st amendment.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 01:24 pm
@RABEL222,
Constitutional law encompasses more than just the text. Jurisprudence regarding any part of the Constitution includes more than 200 years of court decisions. That is the way American law works.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 03:07 pm
@wandeljw,
They're still trying to "iron out" some of the kinks in the Constitution that was written, and some Amendments have been made since its implementation to "improve" upon it.

However, it took many decades (over 200 years) before the Constitution's "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" have been accomplished.

We're still struggling with this declaration.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 03:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CI you been co-opted by The Man!

The vote as a manner of wielding power and affecting change?

You sir are a reactionary.

You need to pay more attention to the would be revolutionaries in this forum.

Incoherence is a virtue, playing The Man's game is a vice.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 03:42 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn, We are all "reactionaries." You just don't realize your own motivations and directions.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 03:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Nothing wrong with being a reactionary. It all depends on what you are reacting to. Smile
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 03:57 pm
Some poor moves by a possible offshoot of Occupy in San Francisco yesterday -


Protesters trash Mission District businesses, cars
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/01/BAQF1OBH55.DTL&tsp=1

RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 10:00 pm
@wandeljw,
Why dont you put it like it is. its just another bunch of politicians bought by the rich. In my opinion nothing to be proud of.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 10:03 pm
@ossobuco,
I'm not sure, but if I saw a mob protesting anything, I would be somewhat suspicious of those carrying crowbars.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 10:06 pm
@ossobuco,
Good way for someone to give the occupy movement a black eye by infiltrating the movement. Especially since no one was arrested and couldent be identified.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2012 10:24 pm
@roger,
Well, yeah!
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