Two weeks into Occupy Wall Street protests, movement is at a crossroads

libtard

To reiterate, I decide who represents me. Not you. Not the "occupants" of whereever the hell they are.

Quote:

"If you help the poor, you are lending to the LORD--and he will repay you!"
- Proverbs 19:17

I would like to see people lend without seeking anything in return except appreciation.

It would also be nice to see others not thinking that they are worth so much more than others.

Builder wrote:

What I'm understanding about the lack of a clear agenda is.............(drum roll).......................... critics of the movement are demanding a clear agenda, so clearly giving the critics what they want is not the right thing to be doing.

You have the sequence wrong.

1) People interested in the movement asked to see an agenda and set of goals. (Heaven forbid, some of those people may have even been skeptical!)

2) The members of the movement could not respond and their apologists started spouting gibberish like that found in my parody.

3) Members and apologists adopted the childish position you've described and concluded that if people are insisting on seeing an agenda and goals before taking the movement seriously, that's precisely what they would not give them.

4) People who were interested in the movement became critics.

Lewis Carroll would recognize quite a few characters among the OWSters.

Yeah, she does. Now, what's with this 99% claim? Since I'm not the 1%, they must think I'm a part of their group.

roger wrote:

Ideologically, no way in hell. I pay my debts.

Banks get bailed out. They're the 1%. They don't pay their debts. They have us pay them.

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

With the Tea Party you searched the internet to find the few pictures of nuts among the many middle-americans. Now with OWS you are searching the internet to find the few pictures of middle-americans among the many nuts.

I actually didn't do any of that - others did it for me.

But, continue to demean and minimize the impact of the group, by all means. I wouldn't expect anything less from ya, and what more, it's an important part of the process.

Cycloptichorn

Drummers are but one aspect of the movement. Four hours a day, broken up into two slots is plenty of time to be making your music.

It's a democracy, after all, and if you read the full story, the drummers were given less time to begin with, and they reached a compromise.

I traveled a long way yesterday to donate my support, clothing and a bit of cash to the OWS movement. I deeply appreciate those that have chosen to stay in NYC for the long haul. I was deeply saddened and dissappointed at the anger and rage that erupted in the late afternoon at the far end of the park. I am aware that the issue of drumming has been a long standing one. I am a drummer myself and know what it is like to have parameters on playng. it stinks! However, the display of rage (yes- rage), profanity, and screaming created quite a scene. Passersby on the street gathered outside the barricades to witness the ugliness of it all. The cops were enjoying it, I can teel you that. Then the crowd got large enough so that the police told people on the sidewalk to "move along".It was reality TV at it's best! What I observed was not consensus, it was not democracy. It was a breakdown in "the process". It was downright bullying. The small group of drummers started pounding away on their instruments so that no one could be heard. It was (in my opinion) a coup. It left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Air your dirty laundry inside- not on the perimeter of the park. That type of scene does not support the cause. Quartzhorse

I swear I think the website has to be hacked. This day and moment has to be considered a low mark in its history. It's almost like The Onion wrote this.

I for one support every aspect of OWS, but the drumming would drive me absolutely apeshit. I think there is a time and place for it, like marches or immediate protests. But, during the day to day operation of Zucotti Park, or any other Occupy site, I think it would hinder clear thought, as well as anger the surrounding neighbors who are needed as allies in order to help maintain the Occupation. Plus, I also think it does detract from the serious nature of what is trying to be accomplished.

I've been to the park.The Drummers just do whatever they want including Drowning Out The General Assembly!! Anarchy is NOT acceptable. No respect, ZERO. They should be responsible for their own equipment as well !! Dude you left your $5,000 drum unattended in New York City, DUH! If the GA gives money to them they will lose my support.

I have seen and heard reports that some of the smaller businesses around the park are having to close, because customers are staying away.

My whole problem with the OWS people is the fact that they don't seem to be concerned about who they are hurting.
I have seen and heard reports that some of the smaller businesses around the park are having to close, because customers are staying away. How does that help?

Meanwhile

Occupy Maine camp attacked with chemical bomb

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/177145/314/Occupy-Maine-attacked-with-chemical-bomb