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Is dating someone who's a different race okay?

 
 
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 09:28 pm
@JTT,
in fairness, you left off part of my quote.

"if you splash **** on enough people, one of them will have deserved it... "

JTT
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 09:50 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
in fairness, you left off part of my quote.

"if you splash **** on enough people, one of them will have deserved it... "


Consider my remark withdrawn and my apologies extended.

In fairness, you've avoided some of my questions.

Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 09:52 pm
@JTT,
apology accepted.

and you've failed to answer several of mine.

in fact, that's how we got to where we are...

g'day.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 09:52 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Quote:
Bill,


Making apologies for war crimes/mass murder/terrorism sure does make for strange bedfellows, doesn't it, Merry?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 10:02 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
and you've failed to answer several of mine.

in fact, that's how we got to where we are...


Really, Rocky, when? 'cause that just ain't like me. But go ahead and ask them again if you like.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 10:04 pm
@JTT,
what country do you live in?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 10:08 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
what country do you live in?


You're right on that one. I still refuse. Do you believe that my country of residence is pertinent in some material way?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 10:09 pm
@JTT,
it affects your delivery, yes...
roger
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 10:12 pm
@GracieGirl,
Me, too.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 10:19 pm
@Rockhead,
Then don't focus on my delivery. There are myriad sources, and you know this to be true, that have been provided documenting the issues. There's no reason to make it about me.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 10:23 pm
@roger,
Quote:
Me, too.


Notice, Gracie, how quickly everyone runs from the topic. If what I've described to you wasn't true, there would be no need to run. They could refute the charges.

Folks like Roger, Merry, Bill, ... run because thought they will attempt to divert attention from these issues, they won't allow themselves to be caught in a lie.

Do take a break. As I mentioned, coming to grips with the truth about what the US has done, continues to do, is not an easy thing to do.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2011 11:33 pm
@JTT,
Maybe you should flip back a few pages and find out what the topic is.

"Is dating someone who's a different race okay?", is the topic. Your topic, which you seem to think is the topic is really your own little diversion. I would suggest you start your own, but we both know it would be voted into oblivion.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2011 12:28 am
Doesn't all this verbiage actually belong on my 'getting the last word' thread?
roger
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2011 12:59 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Sad Embarrassed
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2011 01:09 am
@roger,
Oh, you're doing ok, Rog. You even remembered to remind others what the topic of this thread is supposed to be.
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Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2011 02:00 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
In Haiti for example thirty thousands of average black slaves was work to death every year on sugar plantations and needed to be replaced decade after decade.

Nope, the Sub-Saharans genetic make up took a toll.
e.g.
Caspase - 12 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060506234925.htm
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2011 02:14 am
@Pamela Rosa,
Quote:
Nope, the Sub-Saharans genetic make up took a toll.
e.g.


Rosa I would love you to had been placed in a crowd slave ship and feed little and that is in added to living in your own waste and others human waste.

I few rotting corpses thrown in that the crew had yet to get around to removing.

Afterward being beaten and work to death with an average lifespan of a few years at best working on the sugar crop.

Somehow I question if your white KKK DNA would had gotten you even half way from Africa.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2011 04:28 am
@roger,
Quote:
"Is dating someone who's a different race okay?", is the topic. Your topic, which you seem to think is the topic is really your own little diversion. I would suggest you start your own, but we both know it would be voted into oblivion.


See Gracie, just as I mentioned. Roger goes to this silly little meme, about this being off topic, as if every topic at A2K stays punctiliously on track.

It's a commonplace excuse for those who know full well of the war crimes/terrorism of the US, but just can't bring themselves to admit it.

Quote:

Pol Pot And Kissinger On war criminality and impunity

by Edward S. Herman

The hunt is on once again for war criminals, with ongoing trials of accused Serbs in The Hague, NATO raids seizing and killing other accused Serbs, and much discussion and enthusiasm in the media for bringing Pol Pot to trial, which the editors of the New York Times assure us would be "an extraordinary triumph for law and civilization" (June 24).

The Politics of War Criminality

There are, however, large numbers of mass murderers floating around the world. How are the choices made on who will be pursued and who will be granted impunity? The answer can be found by following the lines of dominant interest and power and watching how the mainstream politicians, media, and intellectuals reflect these demands. Media attention and indignation "follows the flag," and the flag follows the money (i.e., the demands of the corporate community), with some eccentricity based on domestic political calculations.
This sometimes yields droll twists and turns, as in the case of Saddam Hussein, consistently supported through the 1980s in his war with Iran and chemical warfare attacks on Iraqi Kurds, until his invasion of Kuwait in 1990, transformed him overnight into "another Hitler."

Similarly, Pol Pot, "worse than Hitler" until his ouster by Vietnam in 1979, then quietly supported for over a decade by the United States and its western allies (along with China) as an aid in "bleeding Vietnam," but now no longer serviceable to western policy and once again a suitable target for a war crimes trial. Another way of looking at our targeting of war criminals is by analogy to domestic policy choices on budget cuts and incarceration, where the pattern is to attack the relatively weak and ignore and protect those with political and economic muscle. Pol Pot is now isolated and politically expendable, so an obvious choice for villainization. By contrast, Indonesian leader Suharto, the butcher of perhaps a million people (mainly landless peasants) in 1965-66, and the invader, occupier, and mass murderer of East Timor from 1975 to today, is courted and protected by the Great Powers, and was referred to by an official of the Clinton administration in 1996 as "our kind of guy."

Pinochet, the torturer and killer of many thousands, is treated kindly in the United States as the Godfather of the wonderful new neoliberal Chile.
President Ford and Secretary of State Kissinger, who gave the go ahead to Suharto's invasion of East Timor and subsequent massive war crimes there, and the same Kissinger, who helped President Nixon engineer and then protect the Pinochet coup and regime of torture and murder, and directed the first phase of the holocaust in Cambodia (1969-75), remain honored citizens. The media have never suggested that these men should be brought to trial in the interest of justice, law, and "civilization."

U.S./Western Embrace of Pol Pot

The Times editorial of June 24 recognizes a small problem in pursuing Pol Pot, arising from the fact that after he was forced out of Cambodia by Vietnam, "From 1979 to 1991, Washington indirectly backed the Khmer Rouge, then a component of the guerrilla coalition fighting the Vietnamese installed Government [in Phnom Penh]." This does seem awkward: the United States and its allies giving economic, military, and political support to Pol Pot, and voting for over a decade to have his government retain Cambodia's UN seat, but now urging his trial for war crimes.

The Times misstates and understates the case: the United States gave direct as well as indirect aid to Pol Pot-in one estimate, $85 million in direct support-and it "pressured UN agencies to supply the Khmer Rouge," which "rapidly improved" the health and capability of Pol Pot's forces after 1979 (Ben Kiernan, "Cambodia's Missed Chance," Indochina Newsletter, Nov.-Dec. 1991). U.S. ally China was a very large arms supplier to Pol Pot, with no penalty from the U.S. and in fact U.S. connivance-Carter's National Security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski stated that in 1979 "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot...Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him but China could."

In 1988-89 Vietnam withdrew its army from Cambodia, hoping that this would produce a normalization of relationships. Thailand and other nations in the region were interested in a settlement, but none took place for several more years "because of Chinese and U.S. rejection of any...move to exclude the Khmer Rouge. The great powers...continued to offer the Khmer Rouge a veto," which the Khmer Rouge used, with Chinese aid, "to paralyze the peace process and...advance their war aims." The Bush administration threatened to punish Thailand for "its defection from the aggressive U.S.-Chinese position," and George Shultz and then James Baker fought strenuously to sabotage any concessions to Vietnam, the most important of which was exclusion of Pol Pot from political negotiations and a place in any interim government of Cambodia. The persistent work of the Reagan-Bush team on behalf of Pol Pot has been very much downplayed, if not entirely suppressed, in the mainstream media. The Times has a solution to the awkwardness of the post-1978 Western support of Pol Pot: "All Security Council members...might spare themselves embarrassment by restricting the scope of prosecution to those crimes committed inside Cambodia during the four horrific years of Khmer Rouge.

...

Henry Kissinger's role in the Cambodian genocide, Chile, and East Timor, makes him a first class war criminal, arguably at least in the class of Hitler's Foreign Minister Joachim Von Ribbentrop, hanged in 1946. But Kissinger has the impunity flowing naturally to the leaders and agents of the victorious and dominant power. He gets a Nobel Peace prize, is an honored member of national commissions, and is a favored media guru and guest at public gatherings.

http://musictravel.free.fr/political/political3.htm
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2011 09:07 am
@GracieGirl,
Quote:
Your my friend,


That's right, Gracie, I am. Friends don't lie to their friends. Friends really shouldn't make up silly excuses to hide hideous truths, should they?

Again, you've got to ask yourself, "If this isn't true, then why aren't these people knocking down these myths?"
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 10 Oct, 2011 09:47 am
This very recent study suggests that the racial boundaries in marriages are slowly blurring in the U.S..
Quote:
Black-white marriages on the rise
By Haya El Nasser,
9/20/2011

Black-white marriages are on the rise, a sign that those racial barriers are slowly eroding, but they still lag far behind the rate of mixed-race marriages between whites and other minorities.

"It does suggest that the social distance between the two groups has narrowed," says Zhenchao Qian, a sociology professor at Ohio State University and lead author of a new study on interracial marriages. "The racial boundary is blurred, but it is still there."

The study also found that the share of Hispanic newlyweds who married non-Hispanic whites grew slightly since 1980, but at a slower rate this decade than in previous years.

The share of Asians who married whites dropped. One explanation: Immigration has broadened the pool of potential spouses of the same race and ethnicity.

"If the immigration population had not increased, we would have seen more interracial marriages," Qian says.

The study, published in the October edition of the Journal of Marriage and Family, finds that in 2008, 10.7% of blacks who married in the past year married whites, compared with 3% in 1980.

Blacks who have completed higher levels of education are more likely to marry whites because they have a greater chance of interacting with them in school, the workplace and neighborhoods where they live — a fact that has been true for other groups for a while but not for blacks, Qian says.

"This doesn't imply that we've moved into a post-racial society," says Daniel Lichter, director of the Cornell Population Center and study co-author. "Even though there's been a rapid increase (in black-white unions), it's still very low."

Almost 34% of Asians who were recently wed in 2008 married whites, and 28% of Hispanics married whites who are not Hispanic.

"Blacks are still the least assimilated," says Roderick Harrison, a demographer at Howard University and the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington. "It does suggest that the divide in this country remains between blacks and everybody else."

The study is unique because it analyzed new Census data that identify people who have recently married. Previous research looked at all married couples, including some who married 40 or 50 years ago.

The study also found:

•Gender roles. Black men are much more likely to marry white women than black women are to marry white men. "That's the least likely combination," Lichter says. The opposite is true of marriages between Asians and whites. Among Hispanics, mixed-race couplings are more balanced.

•Multiracial factor. Asians and American Indians who are part white are far more likely to marry a white person than a person of their other heritage.

•Living together. More couples are living together, a trend that is affecting all marriage rates. Without it, the rate of mixed marriages might be higher. "Cohabiting doesn't always lead to marriage," Lichter says.

The findings are a good reflection of where race relations stand, Harrison says. "Marriage is the ultimate indicator of integration."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-09-19/interracial-marriages/50469776/1
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