Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

Well without going into all those quotes again... I think if you speak from the heart people understand. You can be mis-read if you are making a joke without the

Voice.. .I read alot of your posts yesterday, I am making a point, of my thoughts... Do you a favour no offence, not me:) But, if asleep? Off course we are in darkness, you do however speak in a lot of riddles. But for the most part we are also awake.

Ok, me quote.

How else do you learn in life? Unless you can go there, to the worst place, to then realise.. Had to "be" the darkness before you could "be light" I've personally never been dark to be light, only experienced darkness to see the light.


What if God has already revealed why a person is here? What if I know who I am....



Do you think? I asked you a question

This is not tit for tat but you are assuming that I have only seen a few things, I have seen alot of things.. .So you aint seen nothing yet.

You didn't answer me about Lisa?

I don't think she is mad by the way...

Not to harp in on your conversations....But I too have seen and witness Spirits around me...I believe it is most definitely some kind of enhanced perception(s) when people are able to see this kind of realm...

All seriousness aside, my brother is big into the show T.A.P.S....and my brother has a multimeter....I asked him to put it on my forhead when I thought about something pertaining to the visions I have with people and God...and when I did so, (twice, I rechecked it) the meter jumped to over 150, when I was thinking about these visions and dreams, or spirit world I can communicate with...

Frankly it's your thread but more to the point I am interested in your thoughts.



I truly believe in "seven planes" that being that a spirit climbs 7 ladders pending on how many times he/she has been on this Earth, will depend on his/her knowledge of what he/she brings back and talks about, or sees.

anything to do with Hinduism? or not just curious??

From what I know they embrace some kind of 7 plane view...

Buddhism at all??

Or Christ, he said 7 is the answer, So I don't believe (like some might) your just making **** up...and could definitely be right!!

What are you interested in knowing?

See? This is what puzzles me, I laughed at what you wrote by the way..

This is "my thoughts" I don't know where it comes from you know I don't believe in reading the Bible, yet, I will say "something" and people can relate and tell me where it comes from...

So where do I get this information from?

Do you now see why I am curious? It has always been my belief, I have said it to many a people ... I have said lots of things and apparently it's in the Bible, just a thought I had.. and a belief I stick by. No one has told me, and I haven't read anything... May be in my dreams as a child.. I believe that I spoke to him once, when there was a war between the two.. at 18.

Don't care who thinks I am nuts there:) I've seen enough to scare the shirt out of me, but I also believe I have been here many, many times , just with, "how did you know that?" Which I have gotten so many times in my life. "That's exactly what happened"


So, who is messaging me?

We live in a culture where the bible and it sayings are constantly around us so you knowing bits and pieces of the bible is not surprising in any sense in fact if you did not had that knowledge that would had been surprising.

I am old enough to remember when the bible was read to us in the school everyday except when I hid the book from the teacher.

Just a question, Who are you referring to by this?

Simple question deserves a simple answer...The One and Only Living God.....

If you don't read scriptures of any sorts...Do you consider your self a physic?

I consider my gift of E.S.P.....and very high amounts of it...And what God has told me directly, is that he tells me over and over, every time I do question it, that I am a Prophet of his....

What are you saying by this?? Do you believe there is truth behind what soul says? or not?? and why?

Sounds like you don't but she said she hasn't read it....

And for the record it should not puzzle you...It is clear that if your have esp, in you, that connects you to Spirituality, and God, afterlife...Then it validates you, and him in the process...Keep on following your way, it's working, and you are of the same God I speak of...It is clear to me (anyways)

If your for progressing humanity, and enriching, instilling "faith" (or whatever you personally wish to call it) than your doing God's work....

In other words, If your treating others, as you wish to be treated...valuing your brothers and sister, (which you do, in my opinion) And have faith in God (my words to describe you, but you can call it what you feel happy with self-describing yourself) than your doing what is called by people who embrace, acknowledge God....

One question I have toward you, and it is not in any way a form of condescending taste...But why do you post in questions??? Some times it is hard for me to understand your positions...I don't understand if you agree or not...I don't mind it, it actually makes me think twice as hard, and I thank you for that... But, just curious as to why you post like that??

I just wanted to point this out Chights....and I am not being a dick here, I am truly curious from your perspective(s)

You said to me, I am not open-minded, you said God is a Crutch, and you said that anything that is not of God is poison to me....You also said that If your wrong for people to point out your flaws...(which would suggest you feel your right, but want people to show you when your wrong)

Which now I say, because I am curious....If that is true, and you feel your right, but want people to point out your flaws...How could anyone ever do that for/to you?? So that you would except what they say?? In other words, If you think your ways are correct, and want people to point out your flaws, are you not using your views of atheism as a crutch?? Who can change your personal lack of beliefs/or things you believe or doubts you have with conjunction to your own life and experiences?? None, not one....and religious know this, and won't fall down this trap....The only person, or being who could do this, would be God....Since your not willing to give up what you think is right, there is no way anyone, not even a possible God, to come into your life to change what you think is right, and show you your wrongs....(again this if you believe your views is right, and are asking people to show you, or prove you wrong)...It can not be done...not in the manner your propose....You have to open your mind to first possibly being wrong in order to be shown by others what your wrong about....

You say I am not open minded, and use God as a crutch etc....

But if you look back...I have opened my mind and gone against scripture many times...

I will give you 3 or 4 examples I can think of off the top of my head...

1. It says in the Bible, that homosexuals are abominable, I never said JcBoy is abominable, I said I disagree that people are born gay or straight, I said his views on God will determine his end result (if God exists)

2. It says no one shall read other scriptures or they cursed men and women...I have gone out of my way to promote people of many faiths in finding their path...(Rex, Igm, Found Soul) Because I feel the Bible is a guide, and the thing is to ultimately, love everyone equally, and do acts to progress others, as well as yourself...and to accept, and love God above all things....So I do not believe I am contradicting my scriptures....

3. I have gone way out of my way to say that reincarnation exists...because I believe it does, and because it is not stated in the Bible does not mean it isn't real....

You claim these are horrible irrationalities, but yet you never once took the time, to open your mind to accepting something you never thought was/could be right....(not with me) (and even said your not accepting anything I say, and that I am sorely mistaken to believe you accept anything I say)

You said you don't acknowledge the Bible...One reason is it old, and people could have misinterpreted words etc...If that is the case doesn't definitions needs to be upgraded to better suit oneself? In other words, my definition of reality would be, What the heart and mind (your conscience) directly speak to you and tell you to do, and the actions you do based upon the conscious feelings, and your consciousness decisions....

So if my definition is correct, (again open your mind) Who will be able to except your positions/experiences/views/beliefs/lack of beliefs/feelings/ what the heart says/what the heart does/mind etc....and validate them? and prove your wrong? only you can do that when you want to...and if not, Only a said God is capable of such a thing...If you wished to embrace the faith path to see this....other than that, there is no other way....

So in closing I would just like to say that it is me who feels like I am hitting my head against a wall....there is nothing else I could/can do to try to accommodate you other than denouncing my faith, which I will not do...remember, understandings, and oneness comes from a give and take relationship...

This doesn't mean I am wrong about God, nor am I giving up my faith, etc... just opening my mind, to the others paths people take to find themselves...I doubt there is one exact way to do things, and would not be suprised in the least if the whole Bible is a tool to get you to Progress humanity, and get to know and Love God himself, nothing less, nothing more....and when you do open your mind, you will see that opening your mind is not a bad thing....You don't have to give up what you believe, in order to accept different views...as a matter of fact, it may be essential so that you can learn, we all can, our faults etc...(if that is what you want people to do for you personally) (sometimes you must take the first step) Even if you don't think your wrong!!

And in the end it may even strengthen what you already know and believe...

Anyways I mean the best of all of this, and I am no here to be an enemy, and I still value you as a friend....SO you can or don't have to reply...If your not interested in this anymore...but if you do, I will not carry it on much longer if you wish...I just wanted to say this in closing, from religious debates....

Please take in everything I have said....

BTW, I still did not watch the video, but plan to...had to go last minute to the doctors yesterday...and will be snow plowing, shoveling tonight....will see you in a few days...

You claim these are horrible irrationalities, but yet you never once took the time, to open your mind to accepting something you never thought was/could be right....(not with me) (and even said your not accepting anything I say, and that I am sorely mistaken to believe you accept anything I say)

And even when I stated how I feel it is, concerning what you call horribly irrationalities, you still seemed to make it about how you feel on the subject, in which you do not even believe in religion or a God...and you simply dismissed me/and my views and claimed that my expressions were just less irrational etc...It you would like people to accept your views, and show you your faults, you must open your mind to how things could be different then you view them/the world/people etc...

Bill, you are using that logical brain again We had Sunday School, I attended once, there wasn't enough room at the Church and so, that was the only time I attended... We did not have the Bible read to us in school... Don't ever assume that what you did, we all did

So you are just going to have to deal with the fact that " I did not have that knowledge so be surprised"....

Off course, the 10 commandments were stated throughout life, on TV for instance, or my Grandmother stating one or two of them, I know about the stealing, or to treat others as you would want to be treated...But, seriously, even with a logical brain, (7 planes) is not going to come up in Bible teaching, it has nothing to do with what we are "supposed" to do, correctly on this Earth it has to do with what happens "after" we leave this Earth

Good try love.

American Dream has turned into American Nightmare for many what is it that the Christians are doing to change it?

Newt said he's going to help Americans get jobs, and keep jobs, but the GOP is for cutting taxes that funds our schools. What's wrong with this picture?

There does seem to be something wrong with that idea but you do have to admit they are very creative ideas, Just listen to the end of this video and you can see how some other Christian conservatives think.

Man! What kinda **** you smokin?
Are you hearing yourself?
You all are drunk man. FOR REAL!

It is written,
the words don't lie,
We are compassed about wit a cloud of wit nesses.
You be da judge,prosiguitar,and processor.

My point to this tread,
Or your thread to my point.............
Good luck wit thet.
Call me!

You need boots on to read through some of this bullshit

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No one has told me, and I haven't read anything... May be in my dreams as a child.. I believe that I spoke to him once, when there was a war between the two.. at 18.

Just a question, Who are you referring to by this?

Let's just say, I simply hopped on a bus once.. Paid the driver, said hello and noted his eyes were extremely dark... I felt something weird about that... I sat down and this driver kept staring at me, no biggy.. Except when he went around the corner (twice) without taking his eyes off of me. At that point, they were really glaring at me. I just repeated "there are three angels to every devil" over and over.. When I got off the bus, he smiled at me, his eyes were soft and he said "have a good day"... Now, I am sure this can be explained, fixation, knew the roads (not sure about how he worked out the traffic) but to me, if there is a God and a Devil, and each fights over the soul until one wins, me won:)



I would have to say yes to that one. That is why I was nicknamed a witch, from childhood through to Adulthood and on another Forum, they nicknamed me white witch, from my posts.

In addition, I think it's more to do with being open to anything, not questioning why, or what. I have tried reading jewelery and on 3 occassions (that's all I have done), I was able to predict a month ahead with 3 different people, and what occured. No one would want their car dumped on, and towed away, so no, it can not be that those people chose to do what I saw.. Actually, I told that person to turn left at the hill, he chose to turn right.. That was my ex-husband.

I have also seen visions of people, telling me something and known the message was not for me, in which I have instead gone to the person and described what I saw in detail, and the words I "heard" sorry. In that instance, the girl had died, the guy I told had a debt, he had her car under his name, the Father of the girl sold the car to pay for her funeral... She was his ex-girlfriend, he didn't know she had died. A week or so later, he went to a motorbike rally and was told.. And, was told about the car.. Whilst she said sorry, he was livid, then I got livid haha, because it wasn't her fault and it's only money.

I could tell you a hundred stories. They are just un-explained, but that does make me feel that either I can read people instead of their words and have a vivid imagination, or there is something there, out there. I do believe that I should and therefore, do, continue to write what I feel in reply to someone.. Who knows .

You better not refer any of my writing as bullshit