Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

OK:)

Good Night XSM....

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@Chights47,

How is Lola doing?

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@Chights47,

Chights47 wrote:

If I may, I would like to interject a thought into your dark matter, you know that grey area between your ears?

Darkmatter2525 wrote:

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Belief is not a choice, it's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, achieved through convincing arguments, evidence, and trust. I cannot choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attractive option, I am compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not,
Compelled by the darkness that blinds?

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because desireability is not a requisite of the truth.
Excuse me?, you must hunger and thirst, not after truth, but after righteousness, before you can receive truth.

This takes honest introspection. To truly make a choice, I must clearly be given the option. If I can doubt whether the option even exists, then the option hasn't been clearly presented to me, thereby preventing me from being able to make a choice. An omniscient god would easily see this flaw in his system, but god isn't omniscient, he only seems that way, because some how, some way, he knows exactly how to answer your doubts. He knows exactly how you think, and if you were paying attention, then you would know exactly why that is.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

If this quote is correct...

Darkmatter2525....

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Belief is not a choice, it's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, achieved through convincing arguments, evidence, and trust. I cannot choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attractive option, I am compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not, because desireability is not a requisite of the truth. This takes honest introspection. To truly make a choice, I must clearly be given the option. If I can doubt whether the option even exists, then the option hasn't been clearly presented to me, thereby preventing me from being able to make a choice. An omniscient god would easily see this flaw in his system, but god isn't omniscient, he only seems that way, because some how, some way, he knows exactly how to answer your doubts. He knows exactly how you think, and if you were paying attention, then you would know exactly why that is.

Than that would suggest, that your decisions are based on your own views/ideals/morals etc...Nothing to do with following math probabilities or science to the T....

This quote is about truth, not decisions. You and Bill were going back and forth and you kept talking about how just because you can't 100% disprove a negative, that means that you are still able to believe in your god despite how improbable it may be. You claim that this unprovable and improbable deity and afterlife exists in the face of insurmountable proof that it most likely does not, in fact, exist. You choose to believe in your god as if truth is a choice when it's not, this quote shows how that's the case. Truth is about what is, not what we want to be. Desireability is not a requisite of the truth, this means that just because you want something to be true, doesn't mean that it is true. To know what is true, requires honest introspection without confirmation bias, I would guarantee that any introspection that you do contains at least some level of confirmation bias.

Confirmation bais is defined as: A tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true. As a result, people gather evidence and recall information from memory selectively, and interpret it in a biased way. The biases appear in particular for emotionally significant issues and for established beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and/or recall have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a stronger weighting for data encountered early in an arbitrary series) and illusory correlation (in which people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

You can see more information about confirmation bias here: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/confirmation+bias

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@voiceindarkness,

voiceindarkness wrote:

Darkmatter2525 wrote:

If I may, I would like to interject a thought into your dark matter, you know that grey area between your ears?
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Belief is not a choice, it's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, achieved through convincing arguments, evidence, and trust. I cannot choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attractive option, I am compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not,
Compelled by the darkness that blinds?

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because desireability is not a requisite of the truth.
Excuse me?, you must hunger and thirst, not after truth, but after righteousness, before you can receive truth.

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This takes honest introspection. To truly make a choice, I must clearly be given the option. If I can doubt whether the option even exists, then the option hasn't been clearly presented to me, thereby preventing me from being able to make a choice.
option hasn't been clearly presented,or blinded by the light?

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An omniscient god would easily see this flaw in his system, but god isn't omniscient, he only seems that way,
There is no flaw in the system, there is a bug in yours. Satan put a bug in your ear.
God is not here,
Is he AWOL or MIA?
How about DOA?

because some how, some way, he knows exactly how to answer your doubts. He knows exactly how you think, and if you were paying attention, then you would know exactly why that is.

Are you paying attention?
God is not in this physical reality that we are in, ( Darkness ). God is in the heart, center, singularity of the matter. God is light, in him is no darkness. Yet, the light is in the darkness, and the darkness is in the light. The fool has said in his heart," There is no God ". Why, because now God is not in the heart of the fool.

Speak a word against the Father, that's OK.
Speak a word against the Son, that's fine to.
But don't speak against the Holy Ghost,
When He speaks to you.

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@voiceindarkness,

I found the Love, and the Light, I didn't know I was looking for, MITW, suspended in the center of the abyss. Cool

Here's a question for you, Cool

can you dream your life away? Wink

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@voiceindarkness,

voiceindarkness wrote to voiceindarkness asking if you could dream your life away Smile

First sign of madness is to talk to yourself Smile

Maybe you are dreaming Smile

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@Chights47,

I am going to watch your video soon...

You did not answer me, How is Lola doing>??

And if all that above is true, how is anyone making decisions without being bias in some form or another??

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When you have God on your side all things are possible?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

I am going to watch your video soon...

You did not answer me, How is Lola doing>??

And if all that above is true, how is anyone making decisions without being bias in some form or another??

Lola is a lot better now, it did end up being mild food poisoning so we had to take her to the vet to get fluids and meds and stuff. She's her normal, attention hog, self (more so even) but is still on meds until tomorrow just to be sure.

As far as making decisions and deciding what is actually true...it's really easy, you just have to truly be open minded. Bias is defined as: a preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment. So essentially you would need to judge impartially without preference or inclination.

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@voiceindarkness,

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I found the Love, and the Light, I didn't know I was looking for, MITW, suspended in the center of the abyss.

Here's a question for you, can you dream your life away?

Did you feel that you dreamed your life away in your near death experience?

Regrets, did you see a movie in front of you, your life seemingly flashing before you, like a movie....

I want to ask you a question... You say "you got a second chance" that's a miracle is it not ? Smile

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

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I found the Love, and the Light, I didn't know I was looking for, MITW, suspended in the center of the abyss.

Here's a question for you, can you dream your life away?

Did you feel that you dreamed your life away in your near death experience?

Regrets, did you see a movie in front of you, your life seemingly flashing before you, like a movie....

I want to ask you a question... You say "you got a second chance" that's a miracle is it not ?

That is what I thought then, when I was 15 years old, now I am privileged with hindsight.

I experienced total darkness/silence, I knew I was dead. I tried to look around me, nothing but darkness. I was fully conscious of myself, and the big grin on my face. As soon as I thought, what happens now, I came back into this physical reality.
I remember being pulled by my hair to the surface of the water from the last position I was in when I passed into the darkness. I was straight up and down, about three feet under, then I gave up and felt myself sink even deeper, then I found myself in the darkness.
This is how I exactly remember it, I fully remember every detail of the experience. But Denny said when he got back to me I was floating face down in a deadman's float, he just knew I was dead too.
He was surprised when he started pulling me out, he said as soon as he got my fingers close to the straps on the float cushion, I was on it just like (snap) that. He sad he didn't know how I did that.
But from my perspective I was , like I said, straight up and down looking up at the cushion floating on the surface, from the point I remembered slipping away into the darkness, when I felt Denny pulling me to the surface by my hair.
I do remember like instantly scrambling onto the cushion. But after I was on it, before I could push my hair out of my eyes, I remember thinking, what's going on I know i died?

I have total understanding now, and I totally understand death, and everything else I have been trying to discuss in this Forum, you know, I don't even remember how I ended up in this Forum, I don't know if I found it, or if it found me, weird huh? Confused

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@voiceindarkness,

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That is what I thought then, when I was 15 years old, now I am privileged with hindsight

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Yes, you could call it that.. The knowledge of a near death experience yet you survived. I was IDK, 14? Smile

Same thing occured, only I tried to save a girl who fell wayward off a raft at camp. She pulled me off and held onto me, holding me under water for quite some time... I being the fighter, refused and fought her off until I broke free.. I remember breathing heavily.

I also remember getting stuck under a wave when 11 and trying to find my way up, but couldn't see anything from the swirl of the sand in the water, but eventually after along time, saw some light and made it..

And, then there was when a guy dragged me out of a toilet in a night club through the back door as I excited the toilet. Darn place is meant to have that locked:) And he punched me to "try" to knock me out.. There, after the stars, I saw a video/movie of my life, flash before me, all within seconds but I felt it went on forever, and again, I jumped out of it, and held on to the rim of the car door so tight, (he was 6ft2) that he couldn't force me in. Guess it wasn't my time.

So for me? I don't have any fear what so ever, I just feel like I am a cat with 9 lives:) But, it is interesting going through those "near death experiences", hense why I asked you.

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I have total understanding now, and I totally understand death, and everything else I have been trying to discuss in this Forum, you know, I don't even remember how I ended up in this Forum, I don't know if I found it, or if it found me, weird huh?

Nup... Sub-consciously or consciously you found it.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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Smile Nup... Sub-consciously or consciously you found it.

Therein lies my whole point, Smile

my entire life has just been a journey through my own imaginings in reality. Smile

We all abide in this darkness that we perceive as light. Cool

Who I really am is yet to be perceived. Wink

I am a ghost of myself, we all are. Cool

By the way, Lisa sees dead people, Smile

which is a totally redundant statement, Rolling Eyes

you are conscious of whatever you perceive while you are perceiving it, Shocked

with or without the influence of the carnal mind. Cool

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Mr brother, when about 12 or so also claims to have a near death experience...we were playing in a tree fort....When he jumped, and hit his head, he was unconscious for about 30 seconds, but said he seen himself, fly straight into the air, and could see himself laying down with me above him, and was before m grandfather in Heaven, and he asked me grandfather how he was, and my grandfather said good, he asked how my/where my uncle was Joey....and my grandfather said something like he is with the guys...My grandfather said its not your time, you can stay if you would like but you have to go back, now....and they touched fingers and my brother awoke to me yelling at him if he was o.k. or not....

He also says before he was born, he remembers being in Egypt, and being a Pharaoh of some kind, he remembers having a beautiful wife, and one of his servants being jealous and killing him with some kind of knife, than being before God, and God saying you have to go back but you will be here soon again, then he remembers being born....

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@Chights47,

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So essentially you would need to judge impartially without preference or inclination.

And this is why I believe God is not a crutch....Sometimes the message from God, is not of my preference, and I am not having inclinations as to how it is a good or bad thing it was done...when it is revealed, it seems, to be self-explanatory as to why it was done the way it was...Not about trying to judge things impartially, or with preferences....

But about things that are not comprehensible to people who believe in God....

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@voiceindarkness,

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Therein lies my whole point, my entire life has just been a journey through my own imaginings in reality. We all abide in this darkness that we perceive as light. Who I really am is yet to be perceived. I am a ghost of myself, we all are.

Well, voice.. Firstly, let me ask you why you feel a necessity to express yourself so deeply (which is a good thing) your emoticons is what made me re-tract and write another post to you Smile

Isn't everyone's life a journey through reality and non-reality, imagination is a good thing to have it's creative. We have a logical brain, or we are arty, farty, either leads us into the direction of our careers based on how we see things. I don't abide to any darkness, your darkness may be that day, at 15, sinking deeper into the waters, that's all you saw at that point.. and you maybe questioning in one way, yet you seem to believe in light:)

I don't believe that we find ourselves until we have experienced a lot in life.. How can we? We are still learning and that will never stop, but wisdom I think comes with age and in that, we do know who we are, I do, 100%.. So, I don't agree we are a ghost of ourselves that depends on where you are heading, what you believe in, and if you believe in yourself... We don't answer to anyone "human" other than ourselves, but in that we know, that compromise and understanding is important as is, accepting everyone for who they are, because we have accepted ourselves.

I shared 3 experiences with you, there is an abundance more, believe me.. But, I'd ask this... If we only saw one thing would it not confuse us? If we saw alot of things "un-explained" would it not ground us?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Mr brother, when about 12 or so also claims to have a near death experience...we were playing in a tree fort....When he jumped, and hit his head, he was unconscious for about 30 seconds, but said he seen himself, fly straight into the air, and could see himself laying down with me above him, and was before m grandfather in Heaven, and he asked me grandfather how he was, and my grandfather said good, he asked how my/where my uncle was Joey....and my grandfather said something like he is with the guys...My grandfather said its not your time, you can stay if you would like but you have to go back, now....and they touched fingers and my brother awoke to me yelling at him if he was o.k. or not....

My Grandmother experienced something simular when she was gravely ill. She said however, that her "brother" when she reached out to her, moved back very fast and would not let her touch him. I had "heard" not sure where that you can not touch a ghost, you can see them, hear them but touching them results in death. Interesting to see what people think on that note...

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He also says before he was born, he remembers being in Egypt, and being a Pharaoh of some kind, he remembers having a beautiful wife, and one of his servants being jealous and killing him with some kind of knife, than being before God, and God saying you have to go back but you will be here soon again, then he remembers being born....

Alot of people go somewhere and feel something very strong as if, they had been there before, same with meeting people, as if they had met them before, instant bond.. Something very close.

To be able to remember being born? And dreams before that.. That's something I have not heard of.

I can only suggest he is a "very" old soul to be able to see things like that whilst the rest of us wonder, maybe... As for me, it's old churches I adore, I get mad of the new ones man made, really mad:) But, then I won't go to Church, you know I believe that too is man made... Yet, I will walk in one.... I can not walk into jaols without feeling closed off, I can't breathe and I feel spirits are trying to communicate but I can't hear them just feel this heaviness and I have to leave.

Having said that I have experienced a lot of things in my life and I have astro travelled for sure, which has been backed up by friends when I explained my "dream" of the night before, only to establish that actually all happened but I was home in bed.

I "chose" not to see anything further around 20 years ago...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Mr brother?, you talkin to me?

Anyway, Lisa and I were about to walk up the stairs to the back entrance of an old Inn/stagecoach stop where we lived, it was a house we where buying on historic main street in Greenfield Indiana.
Lisa stopped me, and motioned me to the side. she said this couple was walking up the steps, all dressed up in fancy 1800s style clothes.
The gentleman tipped his hat slightly and nodded towards Lisa, The woman gave Lisa a look as if to say, bitch, then they walked on in the house and disappeared.
One night we were in our bedroom with the door opened, and Lisa saw a tall black man wearing a cowboy hat walking down the hallway, he looked in at her as he walked by. She said he appeared evil to her.
I remember the first time she saw my dad and my mom, she had a little conversation with them, they both died before I met Lisa.
Eventually she began seeing my dad and my mom with her dad and her aunt, apparently they have become friends.
The first time she saw my dad, he walked up to a picture of him and his older brothers we had on the wall, it was an old black and white of when they were young boys. He was pointing at the picture and mouthing something at it like he was angry, then he walked over to Lisa and said, "It's your fault I'm here". Lisa told him " I don't even know you dude", not in words she said it in her mind and he disappeared.
I know my dad died thinking he was evil, and he blamed his brothers, he knows better now. Anyway, the next morning that picture was on the floor.
Lisa actually asked my mom once if she realized that she had died, my mom looked at her strange and and said "why would you say that", then she disappeared.
I know she sees them because when she does, they cut up and my mom uses her joking smart ass remarks just like she always did when I knew her.
After I pored out my mom's ashes on Monteagle In Tennessee, my mom changed back into her younger self, dressed kind of slutty. Laughing

She was with my dad, Lisa's dad, and Lisa's aunt. Lisa's aunt, you gotta know her, she was a rich bitch and she owned a mountain and most of a town in Tennessee, but she dressed like Granny Clampet of the Beverly Hillbillies.
My mom made a remark to her about being dressed like Granny Clampet, and aunt Cory said to her,"What are you supposed to be?, a slutty Elly May"?
Lisa doesn't talk about what she sees to very many people, for obvious reasons, she doesn't want to be deemed crazy, like me. Laughing

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@voiceindarkness,

Lisa is your sister?

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