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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jan, 2012 07:21 pm
@BillRM,
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From a practice viewpoint no there is no chance that you are right however in theory as you can never prove a negative no matter how silly there is a chance you are right that is so small as to be meaningless.


Your faith seems to be smaller than the pubic hairs on a mustard seed.

If you only had the faith of a mustard seed you would sprout out and grow in your beliefs. first you have to believe that a mustard seed can have faith and that in it self may take some extra work on your part. Wink
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Chights47
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jan, 2012 07:41 pm
@BillRM,
Darkmatter2525 wrote:
Belief is not a choice, it's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, achieved through convincing arguments, evidence, and trust. I cannot choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attractive option, I am compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not, because desireability is not a requisite of the truth. This takes honest introspection. To truly make a choice, I must clearly be given the option. If I can doubt whether the option even exists, then the option hasn't been clearly presented to me, thereby preventing me from being able to make a choice. An omniscient god would easily see this flaw in his system, but god isn't omniscient, he only seems that way, because some how, some way, he knows exactly how to answer your doubts. He knows exactly how you think, and if you were paying attention, then you would know exactly why that is.
This is the last little bit from the second video that I posted and I think that I applies to the current back and forth between you and Spade
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 01:15 am
@Chights47,
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Your interpretation of the first video is wrong. As a theist you base all of your decisions here on earth, on the distant future assumption of an afterlife/god. You may not believe that this world is completely meaningless, but in your belief, everything that is done here, is only for what is to be expected there, when all that should matter is the here and now. This video goes over that in more detail and uses the Mona Lisa as an example of this.

It does not make this world completely meaningless, or even close to it...If you think about it. If an afterlife exists...then everything we do, has importance in someway or another, even if people do not understand this!! If your an atheist, I can make the case, that if you really wanted too...You could view the world as, I am going to do whatever the hell I want, when I want, all of the time, could I not??

It has to do with how much you know yourself, and how honest you are about it...that is why I say, and will say, that people who have "reflections of light", already have a "leg up" (if God is real)

And that above is no way saying people need God to get these done...

I believe I do, and I believe we will all see we did...But I could be wrong indeed!
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 01:19 am
@Chights47,
If this quote is correct...

Darkmatter2525....

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Belief is not a choice, it's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, achieved through convincing arguments, evidence, and trust. I cannot choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attractive option, I am compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not, because desireability is not a requisite of the truth. This takes honest introspection. To truly make a choice, I must clearly be given the option. If I can doubt whether the option even exists, then the option hasn't been clearly presented to me, thereby preventing me from being able to make a choice. An omniscient god would easily see this flaw in his system, but god isn't omniscient, he only seems that way, because some how, some way, he knows exactly how to answer your doubts. He knows exactly how you think, and if you were paying attention, then you would know exactly why that is.

Than that would suggest, that your decisions are based on your own views/ideals/morals etc...Nothing to do with following math probabilities or science to the T....
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 01:54 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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And that above is no way saying people need God to get these done...

I believe I do, and I believe we will all see we did...But I could be wrong indeed!


What is it that you could be wrong about? I just want to be sure that I am understanding you correctly.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 02:00 am
@reasoning logic,
God, helping you to do ''reflections of light" in your life.....and how it was him who was doing it for us all, in the end...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 02:03 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I see where your going from my perceptions and your right, if No God exists, we will never see how wrong we were....

I guess my perspective before, applies to if he is real....
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 02:10 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
If you could be wrong about this, what makes you so sure that many of your other views can not be wrong about God?
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 02:10 am
@BillRM,
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You silly person no one and I repeat no one can disprove 100 percents any fantasy that mankind had come up with in it history as you can not prove a negative and that should not be a hard concept for you to understand.


No, man does has alot of fantasies Bill...You have many...

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For any practice purpose I am as convince as convince can be that the Christian three in one god is a fantasy with no connection to the real universe.


What is the "real Universe" to you Bill?

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In fact I am still as shock that adults would even give lip service to such nonsense as I was at age ten when it first dawn on me that unlike the Santa Claus myth adults are claiming to be in believing in this nonsense.


10? Smile

Bill, is there anything wrong with fantasy as a child? To believe in something? Can that not stem across to Adult hood? In some way, shape or form? Fantasy?

Reality.... Is, what you experience...Would that be a fair call? So, if these people or myself, have experienced things that are to us, un-explained, not therefore scientific at all...Can that be called Fantasy or Reality.....

PS: RL...I had to fight back thoughts of dying on my plane trip back to Adelaide, due to this thread:) But, honestly? On the way there, nup, nada, did not cross my mind. I understand that logic would say it should, but I wonder if "having no fear" and believing in what I find reality to me, and that perhaps therefore, I feel I am being watched over, makes me not think of it.

Just passing a thought across.

Bill you are silly, arguing over something that appears to me, to be, a lot of pain you went through in maybe, your childhood and your logic also fills in with fantasy and so, you love to bite people, at them, for their own beliefs... Not everything has logic... Alot does, but not everything...

PSS: I saw the white bunny rabbit run across the fields by the school when I was in Primary School, I really did see him... But, that's called a vivid imagination as a child.




reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 02:11 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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if he is real....


You seem as if you may have some doubt.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 03:24 am
@reasoning logic,
No, not really it's more for argument sake....
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 03:24 am
@FOUND SOUL,
I agree with almost everything you said...and you said it rather nicely might I add...!! Wink Wink Wink Very Happy Very Happy

You never got back to me about the post of adding you to my friends list??
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 03:26 am
I am starting a new thread called Anything goes....In which we can better get to now our interest with one another rather than picking people apart...anyone welcome to join, and talk about whatever they wish!!! Wink Wink Wink Wink Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 03:47 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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You can never rule out a negative so no all the above is just as likely to exist in my opinion as a three in one god of the Christians.


Eventually, every negative finds a positive...

Ask yourself of a few negatives in your life, whereby, eventually there was a positive result in the end...


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Or the gods of the Romans or the gods of the Greeks or the gods of tens of thousands of tribes that mankind had come up with in history and are still constantly for that matter coming up with.
All approach zero probability of existing as a limit but does not reach zero.

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You can trace anything right? Use factual cases to establish a ruling?

What is the difference?

What ever "God" a culture believes in, or "part" of that Culture, or simply, people in general, or some who are tracing a "Bible" or some other scripture, "maybe" even, have seen something in their life in which to therefore challenge the "scientific" ? Logically, that is a reasonable accessment.

So you have to be right and others have to be wrong, you are both right. Because it's your belief, you are both "arguing" who is wrong, "on" that belief.. So who is? No-one.


ROTFLMFAO!!! Like I said...but down your books, and get in touch with reality for a second or two....


??????? Sorry... That was a very immature statement, with all due respect..
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 03:57 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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??????? Sorry... That was a very immature statement, with all due respect..

Sorry, but I'm not perfect...and don't wish to fight against you anymore...It was immature...I was in the heat of a moment...no excuse...I am willing to have interesting conversations with you, if you would like to add me/me add you to my friends list??

The rest of your quotes have nothing to do with what I said...So I do not want to respond...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 04:02 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I think, you may not understand the quote button?? It was a pain in the ass for me to learn also...I will explain to you how to fully use the quote button if you would like me too...?? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 04:07 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I agree with almost everything you said...and you said it rather nicely might I add...!!

You never got back to me about the post of adding you to my friends list??


I've been away..

We are not, not friends. Happy for you to send a PM anytime...and who knows then we know each other of sorts with no judgement.

My friends, the word to me? Means I know a fair bit about them, or seemingly with proof, and that we have grown and a friendship has occured... And, I value them alot and will be there. That is the definition to me of the word friends to me..
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 04:18 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I am starting a new thread called Anything goes....In which we can better get to now our interest with one another rather than picking people apart...anyone welcome to join, and talk about whatever they wish!!!


So, I started a thread why people came to this Forum... It's quite an interesting read... But, in that, people have stated a little about themselves as well... Therefore, you can get to know people that are conversing and picking? IDK, opinions and then silliness? Smile I say, focus on what you want to talk about, people aren't always going to agree and others, will always find a sentence from a post and home in on it... to provide their "opinion", thoughts, in my, opinion..

Promise I won't fight with you anymore Smile
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 04:21 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I think, you may not understand the quote button?? It was a pain in the ass for me to learn also...I will explain to you how to fully use the quote button if you would like me too...??


The one before I posted, was alllll perfffect Smile See? Not arguing just pointing out:) So were the ones (posts) before that one, actually but thank you, appreciated....

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 04:21 am
@FOUND SOUL,
OK and if we grow, then I am open to adding you to my list, and as well as you adding me!! have a great night!!! Wink Wink Very Happy
 

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