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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
Chights47
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 05:10 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
Do you discredit, that there are situation you will never be per paired for, or expect/have experience from? that shows your making your own conscience decisions? in those cases?? Or do you think this only happens from the age 10 and under??
Why must things always be so black an white? There will always be circumstances in which I am more prepared for than others but never has there ever (that I remember) been a time in which I have been completely in the dark about a decision or course of action. For example, hypothetically lets say that my father is in absolutely perfect health and I don't even have on my mind that he could drop dead at any minute because the probability is just not there. If he were to drop dead tomorrow, I would not be as prepared for such an event as I would if he we're slowly dying from cancer or something and given a few years to live. Even in the first scenario I wouldn't be a chicken with my head cut off and not know what to do. I know the appropriate steps to take for such an event and even if I didn't I would know how to go about finding out those steps. I truly do not understand how a person who is (at least) over the age of 20, can't seem to grasp this...unless you're just trying to find a way to shove your god into this unnecessarily. If that's the case, then I'm sorry to inform you that your god is not needed in order for me to make my own decisions.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 05:22 pm
@Chights47,
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Why must things always be so black an white? There will always be circumstances in which I am more prepared for than others but never has there ever (that I remember) been a time in which I have been completely in the dark about a decision or course of action. For example, hypothetically lets say that my father is in absolutely perfect health and I don't even have on my mind that he could drop dead at any minute because the probability is just not there. If he were to drop dead tomorrow, I would not be as prepared for such an event as I would if he we're slowly dying from cancer or something and given a few years to live. Even in the first scenario I wouldn't be a chicken with my head cut off and not know what to do. I know the appropriate steps to take for such an event and even if I didn't I would know how to go about finding out those steps. I truly do not understand how a person who is (at least) over the age of 20, can't seem to grasp this...unless you're just trying to find a way to shove your god into this unnecessarily. If that's the case, then I'm sorry to inform you that your god is not needed in order for me to make my own decisions.

I am not making it black and white....I think you dodged my question...So you think that your rational deduction/experiences/reasoning/education/beliefs/lack of beliefs/views/what you know/what you have heard/others experiences etc...is happening in the blink of an eye??

This is your conscience....

Not anything to do with mathematical probabilities, nor science...

They could prepare you, but your conscience makes the decisions....

What do you think your conscience is??
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 05:52 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I truly do not understand how a person who is (at least) over the age of 20, can't seem to grasp this...unless you're just trying to find a way to shove your god into this unnecessarily. If that's the case, then I'm sorry to inform you that your god is not needed in order for me to make my own decisions.

Which is fine, but it is not about black or white, and it has nothing to do with me shoving my God upon you unnecessarily, but probably something to do with what I am saying shows that it throws a monkey wrench into the whole...mathematically, scientific, approach on every situation(s)

That's all...Believe what you want to believe...I never said your wrong....I said this is why, and what I believe....

You came back at me with a post about how my God is irrelevant....I did not even bring my God in concerning my posts toward you....

That would mean to me, and in my views, and strictly opinions...your the one who brought him up unnecessarily, (as you worded it)
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 05:59 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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What do you think your conscience is??


Pleas tell us.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 06:13 pm
@reasoning logic,
this...

your rational deduction/experiences/reasoning/education/beliefs/lack of beliefs/views/what you know/what you have heard/others experiences etc...is happening in the blink of an eye??

This is what your conscience is...which is orchestrated by Someone, something, that gives you all the things above to make decisions based on the above...in the blink of an eye...


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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 06:19 pm
@Chights47,
I love the new pic Chights!! is that another dog you have??? very cute indeed...My family always had German shepherds...and I had to give one up to family which I loved so dearly much....but I get to see her at family party's and she still follows me around everywhere!!

I think it is because I would let her sleep on my bed, and feed her food all the time!! Wink Wink Wink Wink Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Mr. Green

Thank you for adding me as well!!!
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 07:12 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I am not making it black and white....I think you dodged my question...So you think that your rational deduction/experiences/reasoning/education/beliefs/lack of beliefs/views/what you know/what you have heard/others experiences etc...is happening in the blink of an eye??

This is your conscience....

Not anything to do with mathematical probabilities, nor science...


In your definition you include rational deduction and reasoning

Are these not tools used to equate probabilities?

How does this not have anything to do with mathematical probabilities, nor science...
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 07:14 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I been in situations where my life had hanged in the balance in the air and my mind went into overdrive in analyzing the problems that needed to be deal with.

I did not waste one mill-second praying for a big daddy in the sky to come to my rescue.

How adults can buy into such nonsense is beyond me.


Chights47
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 07:26 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
I am not making it black and white....I think you dodged my question...So you think that your rational deduction/experiences/reasoning/education/beliefs/lack of beliefs/views/what you know/what you have heard/others experiences etc...is happening in the blink of an eye??

This is your conscience....

Not anything to do with mathematical probabilities, nor science...

They could prepare you, but your conscience makes the decisions....

What do you think your conscience is??
I'm not trying to avoid your question here, but what exactly do you think the conscience is? In order to answer this post a little however, I do not think that all that you've stated is happening in the blink of an eye. I simply believe that my decision making and the formulation of what I plan to do can occur in the blink of an eye, although I may (and generally do) take additional time to more thoroughly think things through if it is a weighty decision. I do always think in the form of probabilities also, I just never do the specific math behind it, I just approximate on it.
Chights47
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 07:26 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
Which is fine, but it is not about black or white, and it has nothing to do with me shoving my God upon you unnecessarily, but probably something to do with what I am saying shows that it throws a monkey wrench into the whole...mathematically, scientific, approach on every situation(s)

That's all...Believe what you want to believe...I never said your wrong....I said this is why, and what I believe....

You came back at me with a post about how my God is irrelevant....I did not even bring my God in concerning my posts toward you....

That would mean to me, and in my views, and strictly opinions...your the one who brought him up unnecessarily, (as you worded it)
It seems that I just misinterpreted your question then..in which I still don't seem to accurately understand. The guess the reason that I don't understand is that I really can't fathom any other way of thinking. I guess in order for me to understand your question better, it would be best if you explain to me how you approach situations so that I might be able to compare it to my own. Perhaps we are truly in agreeance but simply have different understandings?

As far as my comment on your god, I didn't mean that offensively. I don't feel that you are ever really forcing your god on me, it's just sometimes I feel that you are forcing your god into your understanding of me. For example, the time in which we were talking about my volunteer work, you kept saying that it was a "ray of light" (or something like that). This implied that I you thought that I was doing these actions because of your god, or was doing them for your god regardless of what I thought/said on the matter. I simply sensed this occuring again based on how the conversation was going, because I vaguely recall a time in which you have insinuated that a conscience is something of a divine nature. I apologize if that was/is not the case.
Chights47
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 07:27 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
I love the new pic Chights!! is that another dog you have??? very cute indeed...My family always had German shepherds...and I had to give one up to family which I loved so dearly much....but I get to see her at family party's and she still follows me around everywhere!!

I think it is because I would let her sleep on my bed, and feed her food all the time!! Wink Wink Wink Wink Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Mr. Green

Thank you for adding me as well!!!
That is my little girl Lola, the last dog was my fiance's and his name is Freddy. Sadly my little girl has been sick today which is why I changed my pic to her. She's just having tummy problems, nothing so bad...at least I hope. Worse case would be food poisoning or something but we've been monitoring her closely and she's been getting a lot better since this morning.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 12:45 am
@reasoning logic,
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In your definition you include rational deduction and reasoning

Are these not tools used to equate probabilities?

How does this not have anything to do with mathematical probabilities, nor science...

Like I said, those things can per pair you, but your conscience is the direct action that happens/and what you directly do based on it....

I am saying that mathematically probabilities nor science having anything to do with the conscience decisions you make/in terms of that being the way you solely make decisions...but more your conscience making the decisions...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 12:54 am
@BillRM,
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I been in situations where my life had hanged in the balance in the air and my mind went into overdrive in analyzing the problems that needed to be deal with.

And you made a conscience decision based on those probable outcomes...

Quote:
I did not waste one mill-second praying for a big daddy in the sky to come to my rescue.

If you listened to your conscience, then I believe you did think about God in your actions....Whether you recognize it or not...

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How adults can buy into such nonsense is beyond me.

You post nonsense on here all the time...Why should we believe in your nonsense as well??
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 01:07 am
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
In your definition you include rational deduction and reasoning

Are these not tools used to equate probabilities?

How does this not have anything to do with mathematical probabilities, nor science...

All those reasons I listed above....One does not sit there and say to themselves, well there is a 75% chance of this happening and 25% not...So I will believe in me 3/4 and doubt 1/4...Life is not predicated that way, and it doesn't work that way, at all...all those things I listed above (rational deduction/experiences/reasoning/education/beliefs/lack of beliefs/views/what you know/what you have heard/others experiences etc...) better per pair you...but your conscience ultimately makes the decisions.....

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 01:25 am
@Chights47,
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It seems that I just misinterpreted your question then..in which I still don't seem to accurately understand. The guess the reason that I don't understand is that I really can't fathom any other way of thinking. I guess in order for me to understand your question better, it would be best if you explain to me how you approach situations so that I might be able to compare it to my own. Perhaps we are truly in agreeance but simply have different understandings?

I think we are in agreeance here... Wink Wink Wink Very Happy

Quote:
As far as my comment on your god, I didn't mean that offensively. I don't feel that you are ever really forcing your god on me, it's just sometimes I feel that you are forcing your god into your understanding of me. For example, the time in which we were talking about my volunteer work, you kept saying that it was a "ray of light" (or something like that). This implied that I you thought that I was doing these actions because of your god, or was doing them for your god regardless of what I thought/said on the matter. I simply sensed this occuring again based on how the conversation was going, because I vaguely recall a time in which you have insinuated that a conscience is something of a divine nature. I apologize if that was/is not the case.

I am not avoiding this/these questions...based on your p.m. I am not going to answer, unless you want me to talk about God....Let me know how you feel...If you don't want me to answer them, I am fine with that...And take nothing personally... Very Happy Very Happy

BTW...just for understanding, by me saying ray of light, meant nothing about you embracing a God, but my own perspective as to something that is indeed a good thing....from a perspective of "faith" to one who does not embrace "faith"....More simply, it is a great accomplishing act of humanity to do these things...Is that a better way of stating it??
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 01:47 am
BTW...If anyone felt I was giving off/or being hostile yesterday, I apologize....I was pissed off the Giants beat the Packers....LOL
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 03:55 am
@BillRM,
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Nonsense and if true then the Great Pumpkin have a 50/50 chance or being real along with the tooth fairy and your Jesus.

Suggest you put down the bible and take a few courses on how the universe is put together along with a course on probabilities theor

Probabilities can approach zero as in the myth of Jesus and approach one as in the case for other intelligent lives existing in the universe all from known facts on the laws of the universe.

As you call it nonsense....that would fall under the 50/50 chance or all or nothing theory I proposed....

Or are you now telling me, that because the probable odds of the great pumpkin or tooth fairy, Santa Clause etc......is lets say 1/100 trillion of existence....You still believe their is a chance they exist? and are still riven with doubt that 1/100 trillion chance they exist?? (of course not) You believe they exist or you don't...and the same thing holds true for (as you call it) my boy Jesus...

And your consciously aware of this...and freely choosing whether you accept or reject based on what is presented to you....

Suppose you put down your math and science books for a second, and get in touch with reality for a second or two....
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 04:38 am
@BillRM,
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Probabilities can approach zero as in the myth of Jesus and approach one as in the case for other intelligent lives existing in the universe all from known facts on the laws of the universe.

So then I guess it is fair to say, (in your views) you can not fully rule out the possibilities of the tooth fairy, great pumpkin, or Santa Clause...Because the probable odds says that as ever low as a number it is, it is not zero????
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 05:26 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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I also agree that it would be nice for people to understand each other but often is not the case. To understand someone often requires, honesty but also time getting to know that person, compassion and consideration... I think people should "accept" everyone for who they are, in that understanding, that they are who they want to be... I just would like people to believe in themselves more...It's okay to be you, if that makes sense.

I agree, and am willing to show you this by testing you...we got off on the wrong foot...I think you and I can have some interesting conversations....I would like to add you to my friends list, and I am interested if you will add me to yours???
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 07:02 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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you can not fully rule out the possibilities of the tooth fairy, great pumpkin, or Santa Clause


You can never rule out a negative so no all the above is just as likely to exist in my opinion as a three in one god of the Christians.

Or the gods of the Romans or the gods of the Greeks or the gods of tens of thousands of tribes that mankind had come up with in history and are still constantly for that matter coming up with.

All approach zero probability of existing as a limit but does not reach zero.
 

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