Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@Chights47,

I will watch and reply tomorrow my friend! have a great day, or night! you too logic, and you as well Izzy!! Wink

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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So what then do you do if things are near 50/50 then

Can you name anything at all that has a probability of 50/50 chance of existing or even close?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Like I said, Keep on studying probabilities, if you think that helps you better understand the world, etc...

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@reasoning logic,

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Can you name anything at all that has a probability of 50/50 chance of existing or even close?

If you have mistaken me, I will restate my position....What does Bill do on mathematical problems, probabilities, or situations, that are 50/50 down the middle??...

Yes, whether abortion is a good thing or a bad thing....??? And why?

Whether divorce is a good thing or bad? and why?

Whether giving up parental rights to your children is a good thing or bad? and why??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Yes, whether abortion is a good thing or a bad thing....??? And why?

Whether divorce is a good thing or bad? and why?

Whether giving up parental rights to your children is a good thing or bad? and why??

If this is true can you share the math formula that you are using and how you checked your math to be certain it was correct?

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@reasoning logic,

No, I don't need a math formula, that is what I am saying...If I have worded it wrong, I apologize, I am not trying to trap anyone...As I know what I mean, am saying, and it is wrong for me to believe you understand me, if I word it wrong...

It is not based on mathematics nor probabilities like Bill stated...It is directly your conscience speaking to you...And you reacting to it, as you feel is right and wrong and acceptable, or not...nothing more, nothing less...

First Krumple...If your not a female, and have no female sex organs, it is impossible to explain why, and how you think abortion is good or bad, Unless you directly experience it, or knows someone who has...Than you have a valid experience to speak on behalf of....Same thing with divorce, and giving up of Children...this would suggest that people who openly give opinions are not trying to hold people down, nor are they trying to impose views of morality on you, they are simply looking out for you, and giving their opinions, just like atheists do in stating theirs...and it is a crock of **** to say that their (religious) opinions offend you, or hold you down, or are damaging...anymore than your views and opinions may hold me, and people of faith down....

To Bill, It has nothing to do with probabilities and mathematically equations and everything to do with your conscience....He can not sit there and tell me that he bases his life, and actions based on probabilities of mathematical equations, but it is, his own reasoning, which directly decides for him, in his heart, and mind, if something is good, or if it is bad....I do not believe he sits there and says to himself, well math proves this is 75% certain so I will follow and believe 3/4 of me but have doubt 1/4...or say, well this is 90% unproven, so I will be against it 9/10's of me, and believe it 10%...Life does not work or operate that way at all...And none know the hand they are dealt before things happen to them...and likewise 50/50 splits shows perfectly that it is your conscience...for there is no other way than following what you believe is the correct thing, in those circumstances...

To claim otherwise is an insult of intelligence....It is your conscience or God directly in you compelling you to do and say and act exactly as people do so...In other words, it is his mind and heart what he is saying...and he is freely choosing to do so accordingly....It has nothing to do with what science can prove or not, nor math, but what your own conscience is compelling you to do/say/act/respond/believe/doubt etc...about what others present....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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He can not sit there and tell me that he bases his life, and actions based on probabilities of mathematical equations, but it is, his own reasoning, which directly decides for him, in his heart, and mind, if something is good, or if it is bad....I do not believe he sits there and says to himself, well

Of course rational humans act on probabilities if not in a formal way they still act with probabilities in mind.

When we board a jet we all have an idea at least in the back of our minds of the probabilities that the plane will or will not crash.

When we invested our retirement funds in one programs or another we think of the reward to risk ratio of any given investment program.

When we placed a bet on a roulette wheel in Las Vegas we had an idea of the odds and act with that in mind,

Every day in big ways and in small ways rational humans actions are governed by our understanding of the risks and rewards ratios.

In the case of hell fire or heaven idea that all depend on whether you are a true believer in Jesus or not I had placed the odds of that having any connection to the real universe as being as near zero as it is possible to come.

Right there with the story of the tooth fairy being real or a thousands others gods the human race had worship in history.

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@BillRM,

You have a practical mind, everything to you is theory. That has to be right huh?

Yet, you seem to be a risk taker, that's called gambling in life...

I am bordering a plane tomorrow, I do not have in the back of my mind, shall I live or die, will it crash or reach the destination? That is paranoia.

So we do not Bill all have that thought... This is the point.. .These are "your " thoughts about you, not what everyone thinks. Which is my point.. We have a right to be ourselves and believe what we want, we are here once on this earth at least as to who we are... Where we go? Is a matter of where our mind is at.. If you walk this earth as a risk taker (so am I) but you add, paranoia which is not logical rather fear, then you would un-doubtably fear the un-known.

Ever seen anything in your life you can not explain ?

The retirement scenario (as a real estate agent) is vesting in your best interest who would not want to do that? That has nothing to do with whether you believe in God or not, nor yourself.

When you place a bet, you are gambling, do you gamble with life?

Whether you believe in yourself or not pends on who you are.

I tend to think that someone who doesn't believe in themselves, will argue till the cows come home so that someone, hopefully will believe in them.

Then there are others, who believe in a cause which is totallly different and in that, will fight for it.

I am tending to think that is our OP...

I think you are very blinded to life..you have a need to never express you, rather challenge everyone and in that, the need to know everyone that you are challenging so you can win.

There is that word again, win... but with you, it's always the case, it's not a passion it's a mission for self.

Passion is different... You can see other people's point of view and see what you can take from it... Winning is only about you.

I think you will have a run for your money over what you just posed...

A person takes risks
they gamble
their fear their life
therefore planes
and they believe in the tooth fairy not, cause their childhood was never one of adventure and en-lightment, or fun, or fantasy.

Bit off track but not really.

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@FOUND SOUL,

I have to agree that we all use probabilities when making most decision.

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I am bordering a plane tomorrow, I do not have in the back of my mind, shall I live or die, will it crash or reach the destination? That is paranoia.

So we do not Bill all have that thought.

That will depend on the plane you are boarding. If you are in a poor country and you go to the airport and see that that the plane you are to board is a small plane that sounds like it has a misfire in one of its engines and looks as if it is not as well taken care of as it should be you may not want to board the plane.

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We have a right to be ourselves and believe what we want, we are here once on this earth at least as to who we are... Where we go?

This is somewhat true but probabilities do come into play here as well.

If you were born in Afghanistan you would probably believe in the Koran rather than the bible so I do not know how much of a right or free will that you really do have.

Your country, parents, and many other things need to be factored in order to get the closes probability of an ideology to be believed.

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Where we go? Is a matter of where our mind is at

I can agree

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When you place a bet, you are gambling, do you gamble with life?

Everyone does at some point even though they may try and call it something else.

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I tend to think that someone who doesn't believe in themselves, will argue till the cows come home so that someone, hopefully will believe in them.

I prefer that people not believe in me but rather understand me. Understand that I make mistakes and I am not a perfect person. I would rather they understand that my evidence is either true or false but even if it is false it is not much worse than just believing without any evidence at all.
I would prefer people to have confidence in me based on probabilities or the likelihood of me being factual which should be based on their previous experiences dealing with me.

Even evidence that appears to be true can be proven wrong in the future but the scientific method and logic {probabilities} has always outperformed believing.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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I am bordering a plane tomorrow, I do not have in the back of my mind, shall I live or die, will it crash or reach the destination? That is paranoia.

Nonsense you are aware of the risk levels you are assuming by boarding a plane or doing any other common actions in life at some level.

Nothing paranoia at all in having that awareness.

In the case of a commercial jet the risk is tiny and you would be aware of that fact, as in the case of going up with a friend who is a low hours private pilot you would be aware that the risks are far greater.

Being aware of risks does not mean that you from time to time are not more then willing to assume higher risks but just that when you do so you do so knowingly.

I had skydrive for fun and I had own and flown a 300 pounds ultralight aircraft many times with great enjoyment knowing the level of risk I was taking at the time in so doing.

Once more there is nothing at all paranoia about knowing in an accurate manner the levels of risks in life you are assuming.

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
So what then do you do if things are near 50/50 then

Can you name anything at all that has a probability of 50/50 chance of existing or even close?

Schrodinger's cat?

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@Chights47,

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Schrodinger's cat?

LOL.........

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

I am bordering a plane tomorrow, I do not have in the back of my mind, shall I live or die, will it crash or reach the destination? That is paranoia.

So we do not Bill all have that thought... This is the point.. .These are "your " thoughts about you, not what everyone thinks. Which is my point.. We have a right to be ourselves and believe what we want, we are here once on this earth at least as to who we are... Where we go? Is a matter of where our mind is at.. If you walk this earth as a risk taker (so am I) but you add, paranoia which is not logical rather fear, then you would un-doubtably fear the un-known.

I believe that you are wrong on this because I think that you are over exaggerating what BillRM said. While you may not be actively thinking about whether the plane will crash or not, it will still be a thought that runs though your head at least once. A rational mind works in probabilities like he said, the possibility that the plane will crash is there, but the probability that it will crash is extremely low so there is not much of a reason to give it much thought. Since the probability is low, the reason to consider it is not as strong thus is not thought about much to a rational mind. It's not paranoia unless you view the possibility (50-50) rather than the possibility (about 1 out of 9.2 million). Since it's actually so low, people may not actively think about it to any extent, but I seriously doubt that the thought doesn't run though everyones mind...assuming they know that planes can crash (such as a very young child may not know).

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@reasoning logic,

I agree with all you wrote back.

And, it's interesting to look outside the square and re-assess even a comment.

I also agree that it would be nice for people to understand each other but often is not the case. To understand someone often requires, honesty but also time getting to know that person, compassion and consideration... I think people should "accept" everyone for who they are, in that understanding, that they are who they want to be... I just would like people to believe in themselves more...It's okay to be you, if that makes sense.

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@Chights47,

Do you think, that is because of logic? A logical brain will think like that..

If I was to think that? It would be in my sub-conscious...and so I get your point...

We are all aware .... in some fashion.

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You guys and girls can call that living off of probability, or math, or science...if you would like....I disagree, it may be probabilities your listening to, or that your reacting upon, based on what people present....But it is your conscience that compels you to act/think/believe/doubt/agree/disagree, certain ways about whatever is presented...It's not possible to live directly off of probabilities...or mathematically outcomes...For you will run into problems that you do not know the probable odds of things happening this way or that...So your freely making your own conscience decisions that you think is right, or wrong....and acting upon (it),(them)...

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@FOUND SOUL,

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I also agree that it would be nice for people to understand each other but often is not the case. To understand someone often requires, honesty but also time getting to know that person, compassion and consideration... I think people should "accept" everyone for who they are, in that understanding, that they are who they want to be... I just would like people to believe in themselves more...It's okay to be you, if that makes sense.

It is absolutely o.k. for someone to be themselves...that is my point...and I think your referring to me with the above....even though I may seem overbearing, I am trying to state my views, and in the process accept theirs, I also, believe in getting to know people, and consider them, with acceptance, and compassion...but I would wish some would get to know me, before condemning me....because they do not agree 100%

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

Do you think, that is because of logic? A logical brain will think like that..

If I was to think that? It would be in my sub-conscious...and so I get your point...

We are all aware .... in some fashion.

Well even if it was logical, I would think that being logical about decision making is still thinking rationally. I don't really consider myself logical, however, I use to consider myself logical because...well...I live in the bible belt. Finding a rational person down here (depending on where you are) is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Once I started talking with other rational and logical people, however, I knew that I just wasn't really "logical". I can understand how it may come off that way, but I am actually a very emotional person...well rationally emotional. I don't really get angry or sad, I'm just excessively and exponentially joyful! Emotion is hard to transfer though text alone, especially when you don't really know the person that you're talking to at all.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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You guys and girls can call that living off of probability, or math, or science...if you would like....I disagree, it may be probabilities your listening to, or that your reacting upon, based on what people present....But it is your conscience that compels you to act/think/believe/doubt/agree/disagree, certain ways about whatever is presented...It's not possible to live directly off of probabilities...or mathematically outcomes...For you will run into problems that you do not know the probable odds of things happening this way or that...So your freely making your own conscience decisions that you think is right, or wrong....and acting upon (it),(them)...

It's not possible to live off possibilities when you are a newborn baby because there are no experiences to compare future events to and you wouldn't have and worldly knowledge to go on either...but we aren't babies right? I'll assume that we are all past the age of about 10, so by now we should be able to base (to various degrees) our future decisions based on how past events went and what knowledge we have of other people's experiences. So based on all of these experiences and the experiences of others, we can attempt to discern what reactions our future actions will produce, and based on that we can decide which course of action would be the best to take...Simple huh!?

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@Chights47,

Do you discredit, that there are situation you will never be per paired for, or expect/have experience from? that shows your making your own conscience decisions? in those cases?? Or do you think this only happens from the age 10 and under??

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