@Krumple,
Quote:Education is necessary, like i said but you obviously ignore.
I am not ignoring you, I would like to hear you say it...Is that a yes, or is that a no??
Quote:Leaving does not solve the problem.
Neither does, taking a warrior stance on something that will probably never be settled here on Earth, over a compassionate brother and sisterhood attitude...Nor is forcing your views on people a viable option as well...
Quote:And neither do you.
No, your mistaken, I do know God....
Quote:Not until the problem is solved.
The problem will not be solved until there is a give and take relationship....If your views are that you want it to stop so you can take....In will not end, on behalf of that alone...
Quote:Theists are the crux when the impose their morality. Should we just allow child molesters and serial killers? You suggest that I just turn a blind eye and let them do their thing.
And what theist, who knows God, is not for stopping molesters, and killers??
What kind of forced morality are you talking about?? Like I said if it is evilness their doing...then they do not represent God, anymore than anyone of any faith, lack of faith who do evil to do evil....Your argument is not solely theists, but anyone who practices evil...Which are not good honest people who Know God....
Quote:I am not talking about a computer. How dense are you? I am talking about imposing their morality onto the whole of society. Turing a computer off does not in any way escape their non-sense.
Then go to a place where you can escape it all...I am sure there are places who do not know nor embrace any faith of any kind....and if your looking for ways to do self pleasing things...(in which you claim this imposed morality is done) I am sure you can find ways around anything to do whatever it is you want to do....
Quote:Sure, religion was pseudoscience before we figured out a better idea. It is an inferior way to solving problems and out dated. We have a better solution yet there are some who refuse to acknowledge this because they refuse to educate themselves.
What are these better solutions?? Science? And you made reference to medicine...So, Medicine?? etc...The one and same people of the world who wish to get everyone in the world hooked on drugs, because their publicly traded corporations...and they wish to make tens of billions...No , thanks...If that is the case nothing is certain....In which I will put my faith in God....Who has shown me, he is truthful...I will never put my faith into another women or man...Since I am Holy, and I know how bloody my hands are, and how evil I can be at times....I know for certain none out there, Not one, is free of the bloodiness...I do not wish to put my life in the Hands of another who can be just as evil and cunning as me at times...Some less, some more etc....
Quote:Nonsense and if you actually believe that you are delusional. Your head is buried in the sand.
And if you believe that science, and medicine, etc...or in other words other mortal men and women is who you want to trust in fully, than that is non-sense, and your head is buried in the sand...Why can't you go to where none of the religious can find you?? Who is trying to stop you from Going>? Why do you believe this is your battle to fight?? Why is it your mission to stop people who actually know God? Why do you feel offended that they preach about a God? How are they personally offending you? What makes you believe there mission is to put you down?? etc....
Quote:Since faith is baseless and has no supporting evidence to support the belief in a god or gods. It stands to reason that imposing such thoughts onto society and holding them to it as if it were factual is the damage to society on a large scale. It makes them incapable of making good choices.
Why? How do you know for certain your views/ways, are not damaging to society?? If it is, should people be able to call you out upon it>? like you feel it is your mission to do to them?? Did you ever think there not trying to damage you nor society, but actually know truth, and are looking out for you, and others??
Quote:I have seen it time and time again with converts.
But yet you haven't seen or don't think people giving up their faith is just as bad?? and there now doing the right things??? (because it personally is what you chose to believe)...So based on your own words, your not testing what you know either...How does that prove it is a damaging thing? Maybe to you it is, But ask any of them, and I bet everything I own, they will say it is not unpleasant, it is not untruthful, it is not deception, it is not unfulfilled, it is not damaging, etc...How can you be so certain, when you haven't/nor wish to ever/ Go down that path? and even make it your mission to stop this from happening? Why don't you actually ask one who was converted what the experience was like?? If they all say it was Good, and you trust other men and women, why would you believe it would be bad if it happened to you??
Quote:No, you are the type who does not use any rational deduction. You just accept without any good reason to do so. You have never tested your reasons for what you believe, you just do so.
I disagree...
Quote: It is obvious because people point stuff out to you all the time and tell you things, yet you repeat yourself over and over as if they had never said anything. This shows the reasoning aspect to your methodology is turned off.
Or it shows, that I am accepting what they say, and they do not wish to hear what I have to say, even if we attempt to go down a different path, to get to the same points....
Quote:Here is the thing. If there was a god that was concerned with my every action and would be willing to torture me for infinity for doing them. Then that is no being/god I would even consider worthy of any admiration or respect.
That says to me, You know your guilty of wrongdoings, and looking for a way out or excuse to run from it....atheism is plausible for that, but the bottom line is if a God exist, you can not run and hide forever...And running makes it worse, where as saying your wrong, will release these feelings you have....And likewise, Unless your just down right extremely evil, (in which case I still have my doubts) God is not going to be mad at you forever....
Quote:Show me something substantial and I am willing to explore it. If you have nothing then there is no good reason to think or believe it to be. You know this because you actually do it all the time, yet when it comes to your theology you switch off the logical reasoning right before it. How you can justify knowing no other gods are real yet one is, is irrational.
If I do it all the time, would it be fair to do it now? or answer you? I will answer you to "prove" I do not need to turn off a logical switch before things pertaining to my theology...
Go find whatever it is your looking for, without any regrets, or doubts...Follow your heart and your conscience in every circumstance...Does this sound like something you thought I would say? Or something that is not substantial, and directly to you as a person??
I can personally justify that all these others God may in fact exist right now...based on my experiences in my visions and dreams...and being in and around their kingdoms if you wish to call it that...But in any event None can or have ever fulfilled me or satisfied me like Jesus Christ...None have been as truthful, or forthcoming as Jesus, Not have been as merciful as Jesus, None have admired my works like Jesus, None have sacrificed themselves in order to better me, like Jesus has, None show me as much if even close to as much enlightenment as Jesus, N0ne have disciplined me correctly like Jesus has...etc....and the list goes on....
I do believe these kingdoms exist right now....but I feel in my perceptions that if they do not accept Jesus Christ, then God will allow their kingdoms to destroy themselves...In other words, I see in a Taoist Kingdom, that if you have both good and bad in enlightenment, for they balance out...then the kingdom will never be complete...for the ones who are more dark than light will be taking from the more light than dark etc...and henceforth, none in that kingdom will ever be appeased....
So if your asking my opinion, there is no God that is as reliable as Jesus Christ....Is....