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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 01:04 pm
@BillRM,
I will restate my claim since you posted this...If life exists I feel it (could be of God)

I know that aliens do exist....But I do not believe they are Holy Creatures at all...Or are a part of God like humans are...I have said this before, but will repeat it, it was awhile back....

I have a question for you? Why do you take leaps of faith in things not proven?? such as intelligent life exists elsewhere, but do not or can not get yourself to take a leaps of faith into God being the one who is the Source of Life??

It seems you not an atheist because you believe God is not real, but you believe there is a chance, but have a vendeta against him???
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 01:17 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I think I love and know God more than they do


Do you think that it is at all possible that they think the same way about themselves as you do about yourself?

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It is possible, anything is...but what benefit would it be that wise men of their generations spoke about God, in the way they do throughout the Torah, and Bible...For no benefit, and to deceive people, into false things.


Do you not think that it is possible for wolves in sheep's clothing {sociopaths} to exist? Who says that they do not benefit from controlling the masses?

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Why would they purplex such a wrong and immoral idea....that has and is still talked about today? Unless what they spoke of is truthful?


To keep you in the dark about the things that should be important in reality.
such things as Moral truths that you should be talking about rather than the mystical things that have taken place and that are to take place after you die.

Things like this.

I think this guy can be a nut but he can be correct at times as well.

part 1 of 3


izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 01:19 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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It seems you not an atheist because you believe God is not real, but you believe there is a chance, but have a vendeta against him???


Bill is particularly loathsome, and always tends to respond to how something directly affects him. What is particularly ironic is that all his talk about the other more important and spectacular star systems in the Universe, in contrast to this insignificant star system in the Universe's backwater, could all be seen as an allegory for Christ's humble background.

I don't know how he does it. How do you think he likes his eggs? All over his face?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 01:24 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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such as intelligent life exists elsewhere, but do not or can not get yourself to take a leaps of faith into God being the one who is the Source of Life??


No leap of faith just probabilities from known facts such as the size and the age of the universe along with the news facts coming in concerning the numbers of worlds in the universe and so on.

Probabilities can approach zero as in the myth of Jesus and approach one as in the case for other intelligent lives existing in the universe all from known facts on the laws of the universe.


XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 02:09 pm
@Krumple,
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Education is necessary, like i said but you obviously ignore.

I am not ignoring you, I would like to hear you say it...Is that a yes, or is that a no??

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Leaving does not solve the problem.

Neither does, taking a warrior stance on something that will probably never be settled here on Earth, over a compassionate brother and sisterhood attitude...Nor is forcing your views on people a viable option as well...

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And neither do you.

No, your mistaken, I do know God....

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Not until the problem is solved.

The problem will not be solved until there is a give and take relationship....If your views are that you want it to stop so you can take....In will not end, on behalf of that alone...

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Theists are the crux when the impose their morality. Should we just allow child molesters and serial killers? You suggest that I just turn a blind eye and let them do their thing.

And what theist, who knows God, is not for stopping molesters, and killers??
What kind of forced morality are you talking about?? Like I said if it is evilness their doing...then they do not represent God, anymore than anyone of any faith, lack of faith who do evil to do evil....Your argument is not solely theists, but anyone who practices evil...Which are not good honest people who Know God....

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I am not talking about a computer. How dense are you? I am talking about imposing their morality onto the whole of society. Turing a computer off does not in any way escape their non-sense.

Then go to a place where you can escape it all...I am sure there are places who do not know nor embrace any faith of any kind....and if your looking for ways to do self pleasing things...(in which you claim this imposed morality is done) I am sure you can find ways around anything to do whatever it is you want to do....

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Sure, religion was pseudoscience before we figured out a better idea. It is an inferior way to solving problems and out dated. We have a better solution yet there are some who refuse to acknowledge this because they refuse to educate themselves.

What are these better solutions?? Science? And you made reference to medicine...So, Medicine?? etc...The one and same people of the world who wish to get everyone in the world hooked on drugs, because their publicly traded corporations...and they wish to make tens of billions...No , thanks...If that is the case nothing is certain....In which I will put my faith in God....Who has shown me, he is truthful...I will never put my faith into another women or man...Since I am Holy, and I know how bloody my hands are, and how evil I can be at times....I know for certain none out there, Not one, is free of the bloodiness...I do not wish to put my life in the Hands of another who can be just as evil and cunning as me at times...Some less, some more etc....

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Nonsense and if you actually believe that you are delusional. Your head is buried in the sand.

And if you believe that science, and medicine, etc...or in other words other mortal men and women is who you want to trust in fully, than that is non-sense, and your head is buried in the sand...Why can't you go to where none of the religious can find you?? Who is trying to stop you from Going>? Why do you believe this is your battle to fight?? Why is it your mission to stop people who actually know God? Why do you feel offended that they preach about a God? How are they personally offending you? What makes you believe there mission is to put you down?? etc....

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Since faith is baseless and has no supporting evidence to support the belief in a god or gods. It stands to reason that imposing such thoughts onto society and holding them to it as if it were factual is the damage to society on a large scale. It makes them incapable of making good choices.

Why? How do you know for certain your views/ways, are not damaging to society?? If it is, should people be able to call you out upon it>? like you feel it is your mission to do to them?? Did you ever think there not trying to damage you nor society, but actually know truth, and are looking out for you, and others??

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I have seen it time and time again with converts.

But yet you haven't seen or don't think people giving up their faith is just as bad?? and there now doing the right things??? (because it personally is what you chose to believe)...So based on your own words, your not testing what you know either...How does that prove it is a damaging thing? Maybe to you it is, But ask any of them, and I bet everything I own, they will say it is not unpleasant, it is not untruthful, it is not deception, it is not unfulfilled, it is not damaging, etc...How can you be so certain, when you haven't/nor wish to ever/ Go down that path? and even make it your mission to stop this from happening? Why don't you actually ask one who was converted what the experience was like?? If they all say it was Good, and you trust other men and women, why would you believe it would be bad if it happened to you??

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No, you are the type who does not use any rational deduction. You just accept without any good reason to do so. You have never tested your reasons for what you believe, you just do so.

I disagree...

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It is obvious because people point stuff out to you all the time and tell you things, yet you repeat yourself over and over as if they had never said anything. This shows the reasoning aspect to your methodology is turned off.

Or it shows, that I am accepting what they say, and they do not wish to hear what I have to say, even if we attempt to go down a different path, to get to the same points....

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Here is the thing. If there was a god that was concerned with my every action and would be willing to torture me for infinity for doing them. Then that is no being/god I would even consider worthy of any admiration or respect.

That says to me, You know your guilty of wrongdoings, and looking for a way out or excuse to run from it....atheism is plausible for that, but the bottom line is if a God exist, you can not run and hide forever...And running makes it worse, where as saying your wrong, will release these feelings you have....And likewise, Unless your just down right extremely evil, (in which case I still have my doubts) God is not going to be mad at you forever....

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Show me something substantial and I am willing to explore it. If you have nothing then there is no good reason to think or believe it to be. You know this because you actually do it all the time, yet when it comes to your theology you switch off the logical reasoning right before it. How you can justify knowing no other gods are real yet one is, is irrational.

If I do it all the time, would it be fair to do it now? or answer you? I will answer you to "prove" I do not need to turn off a logical switch before things pertaining to my theology...

Go find whatever it is your looking for, without any regrets, or doubts...Follow your heart and your conscience in every circumstance...Does this sound like something you thought I would say? Or something that is not substantial, and directly to you as a person??

I can personally justify that all these others God may in fact exist right now...based on my experiences in my visions and dreams...and being in and around their kingdoms if you wish to call it that...But in any event None can or have ever fulfilled me or satisfied me like Jesus Christ...None have been as truthful, or forthcoming as Jesus, Not have been as merciful as Jesus, None have admired my works like Jesus, None have sacrificed themselves in order to better me, like Jesus has, None show me as much if even close to as much enlightenment as Jesus, N0ne have disciplined me correctly like Jesus has...etc....and the list goes on....

I do believe these kingdoms exist right now....but I feel in my perceptions that if they do not accept Jesus Christ, then God will allow their kingdoms to destroy themselves...In other words, I see in a Taoist Kingdom, that if you have both good and bad in enlightenment, for they balance out...then the kingdom will never be complete...for the ones who are more dark than light will be taking from the more light than dark etc...and henceforth, none in that kingdom will ever be appeased....

So if your asking my opinion, there is no God that is as reliable as Jesus Christ....Is....

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 02:22 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Do you think that it is at all possible that they think the same way about themselves as you do about yourself?

Yes....But one of us is more correct than another, if God exists....And when he is revealed, the ones who actually took the time get to know, and understand him, will be clearly seen, from God's presence...

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Do you not think that it is possible for wolves in sheep's clothing {sociopaths} to exist? Who says that they do not benefit from controlling the masses?

I know wolves in sheep's clothing exist, I don't believe that if they are wolves in sheep's clothing, they can control the masses or the people who actually Know God....their power and control is limited, and is only over ones who are similar to them....

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To keep you in the dark about the things that should be important in reality.
such things as Moral truths that you should be talking about rather than the mystical things that have taken place and that are to take place after you die.

They do not keep me in the dark, or hinder me in any way...If I am kept in the dark it is because of me...Evil can only dictate and control you, if you allow it to do so....The things that taken place, and will take place when I die is/and are moral truths to ones who know God....
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 02:54 pm
@BillRM,
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No leap of faith just probabilities from known facts such as the size and the age of the universe along with the news facts coming in concerning the numbers of worlds in the universe and so on.

Probabilities can approach zero as in the myth of Jesus and approach one as in the case for other intelligent lives existing in the universe all from known facts on the laws of the universe.

Probabilities?> Let me boil it down for you small and simple....If something is unproven, it is a 50/50 chance, meaning it either exists or it does not exist...You do not need to go into the decimal of tens of billions to figure that out....

So if your taking leaps of faith in accepting life exists elsewhere when it has not been validated, than your taking the same leap it requires to embrace a Living God....

You seem to have no problem accepting these leaps in contrast to your ideals and perspectives, but outside your circle of self-awareness, you immediately reject, anything that is not suited for your taste...
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 03:05 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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You seem to have no problem accepting these leaps in contrast to your ideals and perspectives, but outside your circle of self-awareness, you immediately reject, anything that is not suited for your taste...


But, isn't that a "personal" choice? He doesn't have to accept something if it is not what he is interested in, just because someone else is interested.. He is allowed to do what he wants to do... It's his choice.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 03:36 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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it is a 50/50 chance, meaning it either exists or it does not exist...You do not need to go into the decimal of tens of billions to figure that out....


Nonsense and if true then the Great Pumpkin have a 50/50 chance or being real along with the tooth fairy and your Jesus.

Suggest you put down the bible and take a few courses on how the universe is put together along with a course on probabilities theory.

Chights47
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 04:38 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
What do you think of these videos Spade?

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 05:27 pm
@Chights47,
Thank you for sharing the second video is awesome. Cool
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 05:51 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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I make it clear that I am not referring to the Bible full stop, rather I find it "wrong" to try to make people believe "your" thoughts as being Gospel...


This seems to be a good way of looking at it to me.
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Chights47
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 07:41 pm
@reasoning logic,
Do you like hip hop?



He has a lot of other video's that aren't hip hop and just him talking that you might like.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 07:52 pm
@Chights47,
Thank you for sharing.

It is not my favorite but I do listen to it and share it with others when it has a meaningful message to it.
I prefer mellow music and some rock.

Have you heard of Immortal Technique?
He has a song called dance with the devil that seems very dramatic. He is a political activist and seems to be very intelligent.

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 08:20 pm
@Chights47,
This is a good one to share with young rappers to get them thinking.

Chights47
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 08:41 pm
@reasoning logic,
That would be a good video for young aspiring rappers and it is pretty thought provoking as well...he sounds a little gay to me though for some reason. I'm personally not into rap and hip hop much. The only reason I posted the last video was because I heard of that guys channel though DarkMatter2525 and I like a lot of his videos (mainly the non hip-hop ones). My musical preferences are generally new rock and lyrical metal (as in not the screaming/growling crap where you can't understand what they're saying).
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 08:57 pm
@izzythepush,
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I don't know how he does it. How do you think he likes his eggs? All over his face?

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 09:08 pm
@Chights47,
Thank you for bringing those two channels to my attention. I am sure that I will start paying them more attention.

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 09:08 pm
@BillRM,
No it's not nonsense...Since you lumped God in there I will explain it to you...

Hypothetically it is still 50/50 of existence of not....

but worldly, this is not how it is accepted....either you believe in a God, or you do not....So people embrace 100% or they deny 100% it is all or nothing, in the case of God....but if you break that down that is hypothetically still 50/50 chance...there just isn't people walking around that are 50% sure about God, and 50% riven with doubt for they both can not co-exist....

If people paid attention to these little specific details, mannerisms, expressions, symbols, actions, messages etc...then they would see that there is a divine being doing these little specific things to say, come find me, I am here...without destroying faith...and without directly proving himself....

Keep on studying your probabilities, if you think it helps you better understand the world....
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 09:31 pm
@BillRM,
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Nonsense and if true then the Great Pumpkin have a 50/50 chance or being real along with the tooth fairy and your Jesus.

Suggest you put down the bible and take a few courses on how the universe is put together along with a course on probabilities theory.

So your telling me, that based on the mathematics probability of things are is how you 100% feel in conjunction to the certainty of them or not?

In other words, If it is mathematically close to 1 that aliens exist, you automatically assume its true? and if the probably odds are low you auto reject it?

So what then do you do if things are near 50/50 then? probable odds of being real or fake?? Do you mean to tell me you do not reason in your heart as to why they exist or don't based on how it pertains to your life? and your completely down the middle on everyone of these subjects?? (Of course not! and I don't believe you do that for a second....)
 

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