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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2012 07:38 pm
@reasoning logic,
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It seems to me that Pat got it right in the video when he says everyone has their own God and this God is made in their own image of what they think god should be.


Just for the record, this is what I am saying.. If you read what I have written I have stated that this OP can "not" start a thread in my opinion for the purpose of trying to "convert" people to his thinking.

I make it clear that I am not referring to the Bible full stop, rather I find it "wrong" to try to make people believe "your" thoughts as being Gospel...

FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 01:55 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I have read your reply to me.

You have posed a question or two and I agree.

I have not read the entire thread, and I should to be fair.

I do not think that I am better than you, and again, you are right, perhaps you have done some things as well for "human kind" I wouldn't know.

So, I will take time out and read your entire thread and answer the question you posed which I found interesting, once I have done so...



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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 05:28 am
@reasoning logic,
Sorry, it seems I misunderstood her views...I did not realize she embraced Judaism...

But my questions still stand pertaining to atheists....

I would say to her, what makes her think that the God of the Torah, depicts fully the One Living God?

What makes her believe that Jesus Christ and the portrayal of him is proof of demons in peoples heads and people drinking from a cesspool??

Why would anyone wish to embrace the God of the Old over the God of the New?

Why does she believe that salvation in the laws is even plausible to do??

Why would sacrifice, Burnt, Piece offerings be a better way of atonement, than embracing God only Son??

If she realizes it can't be, why would embracing the Only Son of God not get you to salvation apposed to the laws? Sacrifice, burnt, Piece offerings etc...
Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 05:33 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Sorry, it seems I misunderstood her views...I did not realize she embraced Judaism...

But my questions still stand pertaining to atheists....

I would say to her, what makes her think that the God of the Torah, depicts fully the One Living God?

What makes her believe that Jesus Christ and the portrayal of him is proof of demons in peoples heads and people drinking from a cesspool??

Why would anyone wish to embrace the God of the Old over the God of the New?

Why does she believe that salvation in the laws is even plausible to do??

Why would sacrifice, Burnt, Piece offerings be a better way of atonement, than embracing God only Son??

If she realizes it can't be, why would embracing the Only Son of God not get you to salvation apposed to the laws? Sacrifice, burnt, Piece offerings etc...


XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 05:45 am
@reasoning logic,
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Do you have evidence to confirm this statement? Do you not realize that many people enjoy distorted behavior? Just read some of the post on the highest rated thread within this forum.

Like I said before, How could I validate it for you, other than by you finding God yourself?? If you can think of a way, I will be open to try to show you...

I understand many people enjoy distorted behavior...but that does not mean that People looking for God, should be lumped into the same category as ones who are cursing back and forth, to try to show who is better or worse in rapping...That is of no importance to people who in my opinion are after truth...not deceptive paths....or out of touch with reality, as you put it....

Their views as to life, and living styles may be already out of reality, that does not mean that honest God seeking people do the same or act the same....Like I said before, there are most definitely people who do do these things...but the majority probably do not....

Therefor, by definition it is easy to see that this distortion of reality may exist, but it is no were near the behavior portrayed by some who's life agenda's are clear to up or gain themselves over others...Christianity is more about helping others...treating others how you would like to be treated...Or to better explain it, not doing to others what you would not like them to do to you....And putting faith in God himself...

I challenge you to show me how it is possible that people distorted reality of Christianity, to the point of solely personal gain, and deception....Outside of the people who clearly do this....But in my response they never knew God....
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 05:56 am
@Krumple,
You did not answer my questions with that movie...Whether you aware of this or not....If your an atheist, and believe your right about there being No existence of a God, than why do you sit here to debate with me, and other believers about his existence of not???Why are you not out doing whatever you want?? and enjoying your life to the fullest?? What makes you feel compelled to sit here and even waste your one and only life talking about this with me???

Unless the reasons are you either 1. Feel like it is your mission to put people of faith down....or 2. you have your own conscience compelling you to be here, and your trying to discredit it....
MMarciano
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 06:15 am
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

Thomas Jefferson telling John Adams that someday the story of Jesus' virgin birth will be dismissed like Greek or Roman mythology. Not soon enough for some though.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 06:29 am
@MMarciano,
And what makes you believe that Thomas Jefferson was right?? If I google, can I not find things that Thomas Jefferson said, that were wrong as well??
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Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 06:34 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

You did not answer my questions with that movie...Whether you aware of this or not....If your an atheist, and believe your right about there being No existence of a God,


Here is the thing, you never listen when someone actually answers your question. I never said I know for certain there is no god. Never had, and never will say that. I said, I don't believe that there is one. There is a difference. I am about 99.99% certain that there is no god. I am not absolutely certain there is no god.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

than why do you sit here to debate with me, and other believers about his existence of not???Why are you not out doing whatever you want?? and enjoying your life to the fullest?? What makes you feel compelled to sit here and even waste your one and only life talking about this with me???


Once again, and I have said this before, but you ignore it every time I say it. Those who believe, want to make my life less than enjoyable. They want to pin me down with their idea of morality that I do not accept. They want to become politicians and change the way I want to live. That is why I put in the effort. If believers kept their beliefs to themselves there wouldn't be any problem here but they don't.

They want to impose their beliefs onto everyone else. Not only that but many of them, if they had their way would imprison those who don't believe. These people effect my life through their stupidity. It is nothing different than speaking out against child molesters or serial killers. Religious people imposing their will onto everyone else actually makes the world worse not better.


XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Unless the reasons are you either 1. Feel like it is your mission to put people of faith down....or 2. you have your own conscience compelling you to be here, and your trying to discredit it....


We no longer need or require religion to survive as a species. There was a time and a place for it, but now it is holding back humanity from progressing forward. It pins people against each other and makes up superstitious nonsense to condemn people for how they want to live their life. If they are hurting no one except themselves, it should be no one's business yet they refuse to acknowledge this.

Education is the solution. Religious people are typically uneducated towards their theology. They might have degrees in other subjects but when it comes to their religion they ignore asking questions about it's validity. If they actually were to take the time and ask the necessary questions, they more than likely wouldn't be theists. Those who continue to be theists typically have an agenda. They are being paid lots of money to continue spreading the nonsense and unwilling to give that up for truth, continue to do so.

Religion is an infection on society that needs to be cured. The medicine for it is not always nice.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 06:51 am
@Krumple,
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Here is the thing, you never listen when someone actually answers your question. I never said I know for certain there is no god. Never had, and never will say that. I said, I don't believe that there is one. There is a difference. I am about 99.99% certain that there is no god. I am not absolutely certain there is no god.

So then you do have convictions holding you here>>?

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Once again, and I have said this before, but you ignore it every time I say it. Those who believe, want to make my life less than enjoyable. They want to pin me down with their idea of morality that I do not accept. They want to become politicians and change the way I want to live. That is why I put in the effort. If believers kept their beliefs to themselves there wouldn't be any problem here but they don't.

I have a solution, Leave, and go do what ever it is you want to do, and disregard what they say to you....

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They want to impose their beliefs onto everyone else. Not only that but many of them, if they had their way would imprison those who don't believe.

Than they don't know God....

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These people effect my life through their stupidity.

Then rise above and Go...

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It is nothing different than speaking out against child molesters or serial killers.

Yes it is....

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Religious people imposing their will onto everyone else actually makes the world worse not better.

Who is imposing it upon you? Do you not have freedom to turn your computer off??

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We no longer need or require religion to survive as a species.

This is your opinion...I disagree...If we did then we still do, if we don't it was never ness. to begin with...

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There was a time and a place for it, but now it is holding back humanity from progressing forward. It pins people against each other and makes up superstitious nonsense to condemn people for how they want to live their life.

Do not listen to them, Go find yourself, and be happy to your hearts content, the only thing holding you back is being stubborn....No one says you can't go, and do whatever you think you should be doing....

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If they are hurting no one except themselves, it should be no one's business yet they refuse to acknowledge this.

So then go do whatever completes you...You are not forced to listen to me and other people of faith...Your doing that by your own free actions....Which would suggest this isn't exactly correct as to what people of faith are doing to you...or 2 you somehow like the attention, or problems that are happening...I don't believe this to be true, so I would say the first one is more correct...

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Education is the solution. Religious people are typically uneducated towards their theology. They might have degrees in other subjects but when it comes to their religion they ignore asking questions about it's validity. If they actually were to take the time and ask the necessary questions, they more than likely wouldn't be theists.

What makes you so certain about this?? Maybe it would validate even more for them...It has/does for me....

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Those who continue to be theists typically have an agenda. They are being paid lots of money to continue spreading the nonsense and unwilling to give that up for truth, continue to do so.

I do not make a penny off doing this, and my agenda is to learn and to explain my situations and views....Just like you are here....

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Religion is an infection on society that needs to be cured. The medicine for it is not always nice.

Or could it be that your conscience is telling you directly by rejecting a God is an illness, (or being 99.99% sure) and that the medicine it takes for you to be healed is not what you want to hear??? Because it throws a monkey wrench into your do what you wish, whenever, theory???
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 06:58 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Far far too big of a universe for any god that had anything to do with creating it to be concern about on type of animal life on one tiny planet in it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203436904577154803588270744.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Astronomers said Wednesday that each of the 100 billion stars in the Milky Way probably has at least one companion planet.

.Astronomers said Wednesday that each of the 100 billion stars in the Milky Way probably has at least one companion planet, on average, adding credence to the notion that planets are as common in the cosmos as grains of sand on the beach.

The finding underscores a fundamental shift in scientific understanding of planetary systems in the cosmos. Our own solar system, considered unique not so long ago, turns out to be just one among billions.

Until April 1994, there was no other known solar system, but the discoveries have slowly mounted since then: The Kepler space telescope, designed for planet-hunting, now finds them routinely.

"Planets are the rule rather than the exception," said lead astronomer Arnaud Cassan at the Institute of Astrophysics in Paris. He led an international team of 42 scientists who spent six years surveying millions of stars at the heart of the Milky Way, in the most comprehensive effort yet to gauge the prevalence of planets in the galaxy.


The Milky Way is seen above an observatory in Chile.
.To estimate the number of other worlds, Dr. Cassan and his colleagues studied 100 million stars between 3,000 and 25,000 light-years from Earth with gravitational microlensing. The technique uses distant light amplified by the gravity of a massive star or planet to create an astronomical magnifying lens. Then they combined their findings with earlier surveys, which used other detection techniques, to create a statistical sample of stars and the planets that orbit them, which they say is representative of the galaxy.

By their calculations, most of the Milky Way's stars—100 billion is the most conservative estimate—have one or more planets, the researchers reported in Nature Wednesday. None of the planets detected so far appear suitable for conventional carbon-based life as known on Earth.

Almost two-thirds of the stars likely host a planet measuring about five times Earth's mass, and half of them harbor a planet about the mass of Neptune, which is 17 times the mass of Earth. About one-fifth of them are home to a gas giant like Jupiter or a still more massive planet.

"One can point at almost any random star and say there are planets orbiting that star," said astronomer Uffe Grae Jorgensen, of the University of Copenhagen in Denmark, a member of Dr. Cassan's team.

Moreover, millions of these planets may circle two stars, astronomers using NASA's Kepler space telescope announced in a separate finding published online in Nature Wednesday—an arrangement considered so unlikely that until a few months ago it was found only in science fiction.

Related Video. Using NASA's Kepler space telescope, astronomers discovered two Earth-size planets orbiting a distant star--the smallest of all the thousands of alien worlds detected so far, Lee Hotz reports on the News Hub. Photo: NASA.
. NASA's $456 million Dawn probe of the giant asteroid Vesta has revealed one of the tallest mountains in the solar system and a landscape more rugged than Mars or the Moon. WSJ's Robert Lee Hotz reports.
."We are starting to see a whole new type of planetary system, which is unlike anything in our own solar system," said William Welsh, an astronomer at San Diego State University, who presented the Kepler findings Wednesday at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Austin, Texas.

The discoveries are the latest from an avalanche of new data about worlds around other stars.

Since 1994, researchers have confirmed the existence of more than 700 planets around various stars, with more than 2,000 additional candidates currently under study by astronomers around the world. Earlier this month, astronomers using the Hungarian-made Automated Telescope Network announced the discovery of four more massive worlds, each one orbiting a separate star.

"We are now facing the idea that planets are all over the place," said astrophysicist John Southworth at the U.K.'s Keele University, who wasn't part of these research projects.

Astronomers using the Kepler telescope found the first known double-star planet just last September—Kepler-16b, a gassy oddball orb the size of Saturn that circles a pair of stars 200 light-years from Earth, like the planet Tatooine in the "Star Wars" films.

On Wednesday, Dr. Welsh and his colleagues announced that they have confirmed the existence of two more worlds in distinctive double-star solar systems in the constellation Cygnus. The first, called Kepler-34b, orbits its two small stars in a solar system about 4,900 light years from Earth. The second, Kepler-35b, orbits a set of twin stars about 5,400 light years away.

Both planets are "fluffy," gaseous, Saturn-size worlds, where temperatures quickly rise and fall from balmy to near boiling, as the planets periodically swing close to their stars and then spin away in an elliptical minuet, the researchers reported.

XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 07:21 am
@Krumple,
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Once again, and I have said this before, but you ignore it every time I say it. Those who believe, want to make my life less than enjoyable. They want to pin me down with their idea of morality that I do not accept. They want to become politicians and change the way I want to live. That is why I put in the effort. If believers kept their beliefs to themselves there wouldn't be any problem here but they don't.

They want to impose their beliefs onto everyone else. Not only that but many of them, if they had their way would imprison those who don't believe. These people effect my life through their stupidity. It is nothing different than speaking out against child molesters or serial killers. Religious people imposing their will onto everyone else actually makes the world worse not better.

And may I remind you (since you under the impression I ignore you, or don't answer your questions) You the one and same person who said in a discussion between Vikorr, and myself, that forcing views is the only acceptable way...

So you want freedom to do as you please? You want freedom to religion/lack of religion? and you want to be able to force what you say upon people??

Why should I not have freedom, to preach what I think is wrong? Why should I not have freedom to say I think that certain religions/lack of religions are wrong? why should I not be able to disagree with your forcing method?? How is that different to you, than me speaking out against Child molesters, and rapists in my book?? in others words in can't be both ways, for people to be as one, people have to give, and people can take....

What are these things in which religious claim, that are against your codes of morality?? I bet the majority they say is wrong would help humanity, rather than you wanting to please yourself...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 07:26 am
@BillRM,
Tell me when they can prove for sure there is other life forms, and I will listen and reply to these findings...
Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 07:29 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
So then you do have convictions holding you here>>?[/quote]

Education is necessary, like i said but you obviously ignore.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

I have a solution, Leave, and go do what ever it is you want to do, and disregard what they say to you....


Leaving does not solve the problem.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
Than they don't know God....


And neither do you.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Then rise above and Go...


Not until the problem is solved.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Yes it is....


Theists are the crux when the impose their morality. Should we just allow child molesters and serial killers? You suggest that I just turn a blind eye and let them do their thing.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Who is imposing it upon you? Do you not have freedom to turn your computer off??


I am not talking about a computer. How dense are you? I am talking about imposing their morality onto the whole of society. Turing a computer off does not in any way escape their non-sense.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

This is your opinion...I disagree...If we did then we still do, if we don't it was never ness. to begin with...


Sure, religion was pseudoscience before we figured out a better idea. It is an inferior way to solving problems and out dated. We have a better solution yet there are some who refuse to acknowledge this because they refuse to educate themselves.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
Do not listen to them, Go find yourself, and be happy to your hearts content, the only thing holding you back is being stubborn....No one says you can't go, and do whatever you think you should be doing....


Nonsense and if you actually believe that you are delusional. Your head is buried in the sand.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

So then go do whatever completes you...You are not forced to listen to me and other people of faith...Your doing that by your own free actions....Which would suggest this isn't exactly correct as to what people of faith are doing to you...or 2 you somehow like the attention, or problems that are happening...I don't believe this to be true, so I would say the first one is more correct...


Since faith is baseless and has no supporting evidence to support the belief in a god or gods. It stands to reason that imposing such thoughts onto society and holding them to it as if it were factual is the damage to society on a large scale. It makes them incapable of making good choices.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

What makes you so certain about this?? Maybe it would validate even more for them...It has/does for me....


I have seen it time and time again with converts.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

I do not make a penny off doing this, and my agenda is to learn and to explain my situations and views....Just like you are here....[/quote]

No, you are the type who does not use any rational deduction. You just accept without any good reason to do so. You have never tested your reasons for what you believe, you just do so. It is obvious because people point stuff out to you all the time and tell you things, yet you repeat yourself over and over as if they had never said anything. This shows the reasoning aspect to your methodology is turned off.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
Or could it be that your conscience is telling you directly by rejecting a God is an illness, (or being 99.99% sure) and that the medicine it takes for you to be healed is not what you want to hear??? Because it throws a monkey wrench into your do what you wish, whenever, theory???


Here is the thing. If there was a god that was concerned with my every action and would be willing to torture me for infinity for doing them. Then that is no being/god I would even consider worthy of any admiration or respect.

Show me something substantial and I am willing to explore it. If you have nothing then there is no good reason to think or believe it to be. You know this because you actually do it all the time, yet when it comes to your theology you switch off the logical reasoning right before it. How you can justify knowing no other gods are real yet one is, is irrational.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 08:22 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Like I said before, How could I validate it for you, other than by you finding God yourself?? If you can think of a way, I will be open to try to show you...


You understand that there are the Jim Jones of the world speaking form the pulpit and you see that God allows it everyday but you some how think that this same God would not allow people of the past or future to mistranslates the bible or his words that are written on paper?

I guess you believe that Joseph Smith was a profit of God or do you think that God loves you more than a Mormon and shows you that Smith's writings are not all true?

Is it not Possible that these people could be wrong?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 08:40 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I guess you believe that Joseph Smith was a profit of God


I'm fairly certain that is the case.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 09:34 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Tell me when they can prove for sure there is other life forms, and I will listen and reply to these findings...


Only a matter of time and your god must be a fool of all fools to had created a 100 billions planets in one galaxy alone but care only about one little planet circling one small sun.

What a tiny tiny unimportant makeup god you are worshiping,
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 09:47 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Only a matter of time and your god must be a fool of all fools to had created a 100 billions planets in one galaxy alone but care only about one little planet circling one small sun.

What a tiny tiny unimportant makeup god you are worshiping,


It says more about your inability to follow an argument. The argument goes that the mind of God is incomprehensible. You don't seem to be able to comprehend that. It's what thing being an atheist because you reject such an argument, it's something else entirely when you don't understand the basic principles.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 09:50 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
The Catholic church is in fact aware that it just a matter of time and are looking for ways to cover their rear ends when the Christian myth hit the fact that there is nothing special at all about either life on earth or human beings.


http://www.universetoday.com/14262/vatican-astronomer-says-its-ok-to-believe-in-et/


Vatican Astronomer Says Its OK to Believe in ET
by Nancy Atkinson on May 14, 2008

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The director of the Vatican observatory said it’s possible that intelligent life exists on other planets. And since aliens would be part of God’s creation, their existence would not contradict the Catholic faith. In an interview with the Vatican newspaper Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes discussed the Big Bang theory, as well as creation and evolution. The interview was originally published in Italian, but a priest from Holland translated the full interview to English and posted it on his website, FatherRoderick.com:


Question: Does the theory of the Big Bang reinforce or contradict the belief that is based on the Biblical account of creation?

Fr. Funes: As an astronomer, I continue to believe that God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the result of chance, but the children of a good father, who has a loving plan for us. The Bible is fundamentally not a science book. Dei Verbum stressed that it’s the book of God’s word addressed to us men. It’s a love letter that God wrote to his people, in a language that is two or three thousand years old. At that time a concept like that of the Big Bang was of course unknown. So we can’t ask the Bible for a scientific answer. At the same time, we don’t know whether in a near or distant future, the theory of the Big Bang will be replaced by a more exhaustive and complete explanation of the origin of the universe. Right now, it’s the best theory, and i’s not contradicting faith. It’s reasonable.

Question: But the book of Genesis speaks of earth, of animals, of man and woman. Does this exclude the possibility of the existence of other worlds or living beings in the universe?

Funes: I think that that possibility exists. Astronomers believe that the universe consists of hundreds of billions of galaxies, and each of these consists of hundreds of billions of stars. Many of them, or almost all of them, could have planets. How could we rule out that life has also developed elsewhere? Astrobiology is a branch of astronomy that studies this very topic, and it has made a lot of progress over the last few years. When we examine the light-spectra of the stars and planets, we can quickly determine the elements of their atmospheres – the so-called “biomarkers” – and understand whether or not there are conditions for the birth and development of life. Furthermore, there could in theory be lifeforms even without oxygen or hydrogen.

Question: Do you refer also to beings similar to us, or even more evolved?

Funes: It’s possible. However, so far we haven’t got any proof. But in such a big universe, this hypothesis can’t be excluded.

Question: And that wouldn’t be a problem for our faith?

Funes: I don’t think so. Just like there is an abundance of creatures on earth, there could also be other beings, even intelligent ones, that were created by God. That doesn’t contradict our faith, because we cannot put boundaries to God’s creative freedom. As saint Francis would say, when we consider the earthly creatures to be our “brothers and sisters”, why couldn’t we also talk about a “extraterrestrial brother”? He would still be part of creation.

Question: And what about redemption?

Funes: Let’s borrow the image from the gospel about the lost sheep. The shepherd leaves the 99 of the sheepfold to search for the one that got lost. Let’s imagine that in this universe there are 100 sheep, corresponding to the different forms of creatures. We who belong to the human race, could very well be the lost sheep, the sinners that need the shepherd. Got has become man in Jesus to save us. In that way, even when other intelligent beings exist, it’s not said that they would need redemption. They might have stayed in full friendship with their Creator.

Question: I insist: when they would, on the contrary, be sinners, would redemption also be possible for them?

Funes: Jesus incarnated once and for all. The incarnation is a unique and non-repeatable event. However, I am certain that they too, in one way or another, would have the possibility to experience God’s mercy, just like we men have.

Link to the original article (in Italian) on the website of the Vatican.

Fr. Roderick also discusses this on his daily podcast.

Another post by Fr. Roderick about another interview with a different Vatican astronomer discussing how the bible might mention extraterrestrials.

XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 12:54 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I guess you believe that Joseph Smith was a profit of God or do you think that God loves you more than a Mormon and shows you that Smith's writings are not all true?

I don't believe Joseph Smith is a prophet, not from what I have heard about his story....I don't think God loves me more, I think I love and know God more than they do, if they base their religion by one prophet named Joseph Smith, apposed to 70-80+ who make up the Torah, and Christian Bible...Since Joseph Smith, talks about the same God as in the Torah, and Bible, but speaks of things that are entirely different...In which case I would never embrace One over hundreds, and the same applies to Islam...

Quote:
Is it not Possible that these people could be wrong?

It is possible, anything is...but what benefit would it be that wise men of their generations spoke about God, in the way they do throughout the Torah, and Bible...For no benefit, and to deceive people, into false things...If they were wise, and had powers to heal etc...And actually cared about others...Why would they purplex such a wrong and immoral idea....that has and is still talked about today? Unless what they spoke of is truthful? Starting from God to Abraham till the time of today with modern day Saints, and Prophets....It's just way to much would have to be wrong, in order to believe your view(s) is/are right....(atheism)
 

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