Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@BillRM,

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Both sides was Christians and if anything the south was more so then the north.

I doubt that, again your believing everything you read and hear, if that is the case why do you doubt the Bible? You use the same logic and reasoning to understand books and websites of the Civil War as you do to Understand the Bible....

Define a Christian, So that you can explain to me (since you don't embrace it) How the south was MORE of a Christian than Northerners???

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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of why Lincoln abolished slavery had ANYTHING to do with his correct Ideals and or morals?? then (according to you) he wasn't a great president, and slavery ended by chance, and Lincoln's Morals had No calculated thoughts to which to actually aid African American slaves...but that it was ALL done on the Basis of ways people could get more production without beating and whipping people??

By Lincoln own words he was more then willing for slavery to keep going on in the south if that mean that the south would remain or come back into the union.

He was a great president in that he kept the union together and the ending of slavery was just a happy secondary result of him doing so.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Define a Christian,

I allow people to declared their own faith and label themselves.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Oh if the three in one god had anything against slavery the three of them waited a long time to expressed their displeasures over the fact to say the least even if we go with your silly idea that this god had anything to do with ending slavery in the US!!!!!!!!!!!

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@BillRM,

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Both sides was Christians and if anything the south was more so then the north.

I highly doubt it! I highly doubt it indeed! If the south wanted to hold on to slavery, and beating and abusing people, than I can tell you for a FACT, Despise ANYTHING you post, that you read or heard from a website...they were IN FACT NOT CLOSER TO GOD THAN THE NORTH, WHO WAS ANTI-SLAVERY!!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

For almost all of the 2000 years of this cult history slavery was an accepted fact that Christians did not have a problem with so your declaring that all at once no one is a TRUE Christians if in the 1860s they feel the same is a little high handed of you to say the least.

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@BillRM,

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By Lincoln own words he was more then willing for slavery to keep going on in the south if that mean that the south would remain or come back into the union.

And if you truly Believe that that is 100% what he in fact was felling, than your a fool!

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He was a great president in that he kept the union together and the ending of slavery was just a happy secondary result of him doing so.

Yeah Just another "coincidence"... I disagree! Despite ANY book or website you may have "picked this up from" I think that Lincoln's plans were very precise and calculated....And he (being very intelligent) said this to appease both sides, because he "knew" it would get the south back....And the ONLY choice the south had was to abandon Slavery...he "dupted" the south into "thinking they had another choice" but they did not....So you think he was a great president for keeping the Union together? but you don't think he being genuine is just as important? Why would he value the Union togetherness over Morals such as slavery?? For he surly "Knew" that if slavery did NOT end that the South WOULD NOT have rejoined!! Or Succeeded....And likewise if the South held on to their beliefs/and were not willing to succeed, why would he be willing to try to keep it together, if he "knew" it would not remain? Hence, he made those remarks because he did not agree with slavery, and he basically dupted the south into abandoning it so that slavery was gone, and the union stayed together! both ends joined, and he looks, and is a genius for this indeed....

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@BillRM,

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For almost all of the 2000 years of this cult history slavery was an accepted fact that Christians did not have a problem with so your declaring that all at once no one is a TRUE Christians if in the 1860s they feel the same is a little high handed of you to say the least.

I Have ALREADY commented on this, Pay attention!

How do you know that for certain??? God is the Center of my world, Maybe God/No God was the center of his mind! And freeing slaves the way slavery was here would be a Godly thing indeed! And don't bring up how there was slavery in the Bible, (or to you Only the Old Testament) Slavery back then was to keep the Jewish seed alive, and you were to treat your slave with respect! and let him go after 7 years, provide food and beds for him etc...If you have ANY doubt about that (which I garuntee you do) let me ask you, would you permit a man to come into your wife to have children, if you were emasculated? (probably not) which proves God mention of slavery was to preserve Jewish Seed, not about whipping and beating people, or abusing them... just like the Bible says, depicted Slavery in the Bible was to help and protect other Jewish people who could not provide for themselves, MUCH MUCH DIFFERENT than slavery depicted in this nations existence!!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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And if you truly Believe that that is 100% what he in fact was felling, than your a fool!

He live only a 150 years ago and we had his speeches and statements recorded by many people and some in his own handwriting so what is there to question?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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If some other people had settle the US mainland such as the Chinese that would not had been the case.

You do not know that for certain, either, Purely speculations....How do you know that if the Chinese came here, and tried to kill Christians, God would not have destroyed Anyone who tried to destroy Christianity? (Chinese or whatever said Non-believer they were)

Are you being serious? Is that not what it means to be psychological?

Do you honestly think that if the majority of the settlers were Muslim that this would still be a Christian nation so to speak?
If the percentage of Christians and Muslims were reversed in the USA do you think that you would be a Christian today?
My Guess is that you would say yes and if I asked the same question to a Muslim in Afghanistan what do you think his answer would be?

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@reasoning logic,

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Are you being serious? Is that not what it means to be psychological?

I am being to think that he is so far into some fantasy world that carrying on any logical discussion with him is impossible.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Sorry, I will reply in a way that is less disingenuous...so that you understand my "understandings"

I don't believe that they are rational conclusions of Non-existence but that it self describes the notion of "Faith" itself, and being tested, here, for an afterlife...

This shows irrational rationalization yet again, you said that you've taken this idea to heart yet you obviously haven't. That's like slapping me in the face, saying you're sorry, and slapping me again. You aren't really sorry in that situation because you did it again. If you took the idea of irrational rationalization seriously you would question everything about what you would believe and your god most of all. I doubt that you appropriately question the existence of your god however, seeing as how you believe yourself to be so dependent on this idea. You couldn't imagine your life without a deity so you wouldn't risk losing such idea's so you don't question it appropriately. As I have said before, it doesn't matter if you question the details if you don't appropriately question the core.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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]It has nothing to do with culture and backround, and everything to do with, when I heard God's voice, I searched and through sifting, found it was Christ...If it was about culture and backround then I would have been Catholic again, and took it seriously, the fact I am not, and went through every major religion that exists, but to no avail. Because their lack of a Savior, shows that at least in your understandings of The history of religion, That (at least in my case it is different)...

I also think that it's funny that in the list of religions that you said you searched that you also searched religions that do not have deities...yet you heard a deities voice? So this means that you list is either an intentional delusion meant to deceive or that you have no idea what those religions/philosophies of life were about. I'm also not saying that culture and background are the only factors but they are indeed factors to some extent. The reason that you didn't convert back to Catholicism is because you didn't agree with how that deity was portrayed and based on the brainwashing nature of Catholicism you had inclination towards Christianity.

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Who says that I did not, in finding God??

Are you insinuating that you do not believe in the Christian deity and that you do not believe in the claims of Jesus Christ?

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And again, what says that your understandings of a said philosophy, religion (in this case) is right, and their core ideas are wrong? I have verified the core Idea of Christianity, and find that No God or theism is complete without a Savior, That core Idea (to me) is NOT wrong, So therefor, I will quote you,"If something is beneficial, it is NOT pointless!"

You may claim that you've verified the core of theism but that under the belief that theism is correct. Have you never took a second thought about your "visions" and thought that it might just be some sort of self induced delusion or some mirage due to your irrational belief in a deity? Have you never tried to think of all the ways in which your deity can't exist or tried to come up with secular reasons to explain all of the supernatural events in which you claim? As far as the quote in which you used, it is correct, but it don't mean that all that is beneficial is so in the most optimal way. Picking up a single piece of trash only once a year and throwing it away is a beneficial act but in comparison to the amount of litter there is in the world. It almost makes no difference when compared to a group who devotes an entire day every week to cleaning up an entire area.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Tell me what an Apathetic Agnostic is? and I will tell you if that is what I was....Point is, That I embraced Atheism "enough" to understand the magnitude of it...and when I heard God calling me, there was not a Scarier Moment in my life, (at first) and again, it is NOT a hole in which I wish to "try" to dig myself out of again!

Apathetic Agnosticism is a view which concludes that even if one or more deities exist, they do not appear to be concerned about the fate of humans. Therefore, their existence has little impact on personal human affairs and should be of little theological interest. So it's really more like indifference towards the existence of a god rather than the rejection of it.

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If Atheism works for you in a way that your productive, and progress humanity, than like I said, Your doing a part of God's work, and there maybe hope for you, if that is what you want...I, on the other hand, know I can't live that life, and or be productive in that kind of way, and likewise use God to achieve the same things in which you do...And in turn he guides me in the right path or direction...constantly praising of Good, and rebuking, or dicipling me when wrong....WITHOUT HIM, I WOULD BE LOST, TO SAY THE LEAST!!

I'm actually not doing his work as I have said before. Hpothetically lets say that he does exist, if I were doing "his" work, then why would that work be (for the most part) against him? As far as yourself, what do you do that's productive in this world alone? Do you help a soup kitchens, big brother, or any kind of volunteer work? I'm really just looking for anything at all really except for preaching or anything like that.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Forget our debate at hand...for we can go back and forth with this till the end...For you are "convinced" are founding father(s) were not Christian. I on the other hand believe the majority were....

So I have a few questions for you then,

1. If Christianity was NOT instilled by a founding father(s) where did it come from that Most Americans chose it over ANY other singular sect of religion, (and that includes Atheism)?

The reason most Americans are Christian today was due to a vast expansion of the belief after the Civil War. As far as the founding fathers themselves, they believed, first and foremost, in secularism for this country. So regardless of their religious affiliations they wanted this country's politics to remain religiously neutral so that no one religion would be supported by the government to prevent another Church of England tyrannical set up.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

2. Why do the Majority of Americans "choose" Christianity OVER every other singular sect? (including Atheism)

I've actually answered this before, because religion is based for the most part around culture and the brainwashing of children.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

3. What does that say about Christians, and Christianity, and a Christian God, that we are the FREEIST nation on the Globe, and the MAJORITY ''choose" to follow Christianity?? (including almost every president from Garfield on...)

Freeist in what sense? Are you refering to the freedom of speech? If you think that's the case, then check this out: http://www.atheistunderworld.com/2011/12/19/theists-threaten-kill-atheists-again/

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

4. What does that say about "your interpretations" of God being evil? And NOT capable of guiding, or following in conjunction of American(s) Who embrace a Christian God??

He actually doesn't interpret your god at all, at least not from what is stated in the "holy scriptures" of the Bible which is pretty much the bases of the religion. Now I do admit that Christianity has been dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century and I'm sure a majority of "Christians" don't even know half of the horrors that are in the Bible that use to be preached far more than it is now. This is the nature of religion though, always changing so it can best manipulate the minds of it's followers.

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@BillRM,

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I am being to think that he is so far into some fantasy world that carrying on any logical discussion with him is impossible.

Fantasy world? I think he is being completely normal {psychological} It does seem normal for many brains to function the way his is functioning.

Is it logical? I do not think that it is concerning religion but it may be the best that he can do.

It seems that we all have senses that very from person to person.

The Major Senses: Sight, Hearing, Taste, Smell, and Touch and then there are other brain functions that very from person to person such as empathy logic and so on.

We can understand how someone can have poor vision or even be blind or bad hearing or be deaf but we seem to have a much harder time understanding that people can have less empathy or they may have no empathy{ sociopath} or that some people may not be able to demonstrate logic as well as others.

We are all so different in so many ways.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I have another question for you, If America's founding fathers did NOT embrace a/any God, Why on EVERY U.S. Currency that exists does it say In God We Trust on it?? and who relegated to put those inscriptions on our currency?? If not a founding father??

You should learn your history. In god we trust wasn't adopted as our motto until 1956, it wasn't placed on our coin money until 1864 and wasn't placed on our paper money until 1957. Most these things happen far after the US Civil War while the imprinting of "In God We Trust" happened right towards the end of the war.

This phrase was conceived by Salmon P. Chase, the U.S. Treasury Secretary under President Abraham Lincoln. Chase wrote in an 1861 letter to James Pollock, then Director of the Mint in Philadelphia, that "no nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins." Aspirations for the motto arose surrounding the turmoil and heightened religious sentiment that existed during the Civil War. The Reverend M. R. Watkinson, in a letter dated 13 November 1861, petitioned the Treasury Department to add a statement recognising "Almighty God in some form in our coins." However Treasury Secretary Chase did not submit the motto with the words "In God We Trust" until December 9, 1863.

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@Chights47,

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The reason most Americans are Christian today was due to a vast expansion of the belief after the Civil War. As far as the founding fathers themselves, they believed, first and foremost, in secularism for this country. So regardless of their religious affiliations they wanted this country's politics to remain religiously neutral so that no one religion would be supported by the government to prevent another Church of England tyrannical set up.

So much for preventing another Church of England tyrannical set up.

It seems that we need the church to promote sociopathic socialism {capitalism}

Don't you love it how we talk bad about socialism but yet we use it to save capitalism?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You can't also say that no president has never been an atheist, you can only claim that no president has claimed they were one. It would literally be political suicide to out yourself as an atheist because something like 54% of Americans wouldn't vote for an atheist based on that one criteria alone. There are suspicions that Obama might be an atheist or at least an agnostic.

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@Chights47,

If President Jefferson was not an atheist he approach being one very closely.

One problem non believers had before Darwin released his book on evolution was how to be one and meet the challenge of how we and other animals life came to be so many non believers just declare a god that was not a personal god but a force behind the scene.

Many of the people of the time who knew Jefferson both friends and enemies consider him an Atheist.

All in all there seem little question that we already had an atheist president in fact the very first president that live in the now White House.

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@reasoning logic,

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Are you being serious? Is that not what it means to be psychological?

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Do you honestly think that if the majority of the settlers were Muslim that this would still be a Christian nation so to speak?

I believe America was and is Mostly Christian, in accordance to God, and the freeist of nations "promoting" a Christian God's validity....

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If the percentage of Christians and Muslims were reversed in the USA do you think that you would be a Christian today?

Yes, because I sifted through Islam, and did not except it due to its lack of a savior, would the whole religion based nations be different?, it would not matter much, only difference is I would live with even more persecution than I already suffer...and Islam would be not mostly embraced in Afghanistan....but that Afghanistan in conjunction to How America is would be the freeist of nations, and people would still "willingly" except to come to Afghanistan, and yet, except Christianity....

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My Guess is that you would say yes and if I asked the same question to a Muslim in Afghanistan what do you think his answer would be?

Don't know, I don't except much of their faith due to their "perverted version of Christianity" that they embrace.

My only thing is that I "point out" nations were chosen for people with conjunction to God on purpose (if a God exists) for it shows even more validity behind which is the MOST relighable!!

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