Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

What would you label giving me your time to explain how you feel there is No such existence of a God, on these message forums?

To me there is plenty of evidence, observe 20 people doing a Good act, go up to them and ask them pardon me by if you don't mind me asking what religion/lack of religion are you, and the odds are 5 of them will be Christ followers....It terms of evidence of a God being Good or trustworthy, You have 2 perfect examples right in your life that you know of, Your fiance, and myself...Do you believe we are being lead astray by something that "compels" us to do good in his name???

Everyone is Ignorant at times, faith itself is not about gullibility, it is probably the single hardest thing on the face of the planet to accept and embrace. If it was about Gullibility, than EVERYONE would in fact be doing it, with perfection, and with the simplest of ease....it's not about brainwashing at all, (least not for the faithful ones) My message on coming here, is not to force nor impose you to do or not to do, and your saved or screwed, but rather to enhance your inhibitions as to your beliefs/lack of beliefs, and if it isn't that way, then why do you say after reading my posts, with which I depict a very merciful God indeed...You go farther toward Atheism. So in NO way, am I here to brainwash, and your freely doing as you please...If it was brainwashing, then you would see people converted left and right on there forums as "proof".

I can in fact make the SAME exact argument about Atheism, You do realize this right? Like I said, It all depends on the person, people involved. Not the focal point of the Belief system in place. I think you need to venture into understanding the Christian person more, rather than viewing the person, with the belief in your mind. Looking at them from the outside...and likewise it would not be a bad Idea. If I got to know and understand "real Pragmatic Atheists, and understood them as a person more....Because to you, it would be progressing Humanity, and for me, and would be loving ALL my brother and sister equally, and continuing to accept them and love them regardless of their belief/view on God...That is what Jesus Christ is ALL about...

The act of accepting Jesus, and doing nothing, with conjunction to living a life according to Christ? I agree to a point, But if they truly are very bad sinners, and can't right their wrongs, or don't even have the will power to change. Then what should they do? At least with a God, he gives them a way out in life eternal, whether the simplest of simple in Heaven, it does not matter anymore. (If the Bible is correct, and a Heaven exists...remember, Some people are just not mentally as strong as you and I are in this world, and others on here...SO they Should just suffer, and suck at everything they do, with only death their comfort? I will gladly accept a God exists to enlighten their new beginning forever more then. (if that's your view)...

There will always be horrible and immoral lessons in everything, Including Atheism...So what is the point then, to dismiss everything all together??

Good question, to the fullest, and not to bring you down. But I am not a Pessimist, but a realist...and the simple fact is that, those things you listed above MAY NEVER HAPPEN to the fullest

If it in fact happens that way, none the less the point with which someone would have to do, reach or cross to be at that point..."from my understandings" they truly deserve to be there...But none the less, you may luck out and God may grant purgatory, or no afterlife whatsoever to appease all...Just many other possibilities...It isn't black and white like you "think it is" I have said and ill say many more times on here...

Just MORE plausibility, Or Fire-Power, that an afterlife, would NOT be such a Bad thing after all...considering A LOT more than not will be In Heaven, apposed to Hell...

It would be FLAT out Ridiculous to waste my time to post links of videos of Atheists who practice pure abominations and wickedness, in conjunction to the Atheists on here, who actually "show" they value and are "trying to" progress humanity

Bill I mean this in the MOST beneficial way for everyone who has to read you audacity and utter gual you post! When you are mature enough to stand down from your soap box, and stop believing "your opinions" are ALWAYS EXACTLY RIGHT and NEVER WRONG, than I, as well as a lot of others on here will take you SERIOUSLY! And Will GLADLY TALK WITH YOU!! Once you REALIZE your being utterly immature to say the least, people will actually except your views and positions WILLINGLY!!!

I wish you the best of luck with your life, and wish no harm for you in your life...but in All honesty, it would be the BEST THING FOR YOUR SAKE, to stop posting on these threads, UNLESS your attitude and opinions change dramitically!!

I have NOTHING more to say...Good luck bro, with the way you act and live. Your probably going to need all the luck you can get. Otherwise someone out there is probably going to kick the living **** out of you one day if not kill you for your tongue...have a nice life Bill....

Statistically it should actually be 4 out of 5 (or more) of those 20 people do to the sheer number of Christians in the country. This country is about 80%-85% Christian while being about 90% theistic? It's also why more than 3/4 people in the prison population are Christian. As far as your examples of your God being good, I unfortunately cannot count you solely because I do not know really anything about you, and that which I do know, I can't verify. In regards to my fiance, the only reason I know her is due to a horrible relationship in which she was in previously which has lead to numerous relationship problems between us (none of which your God has helped with). There was also a break in our relationship (her idea do to previous relationship) in which we dated other people, and during that time I had the worst experience with another woman (total psycho). Also due to this extended break, it pushed back our engagement, which pushed back our marriage, which may lead us to not having biological children due to a certain condition in which she now has...So much for your God eh?

Faith is about gullibility, a synonym of gullible is actually blind faith which is what religion is about. Anything about beyond blind faith would require proof and as you said, your God cannot prove himself with completely destroying free-will (or so you claimed in the past). I do agree that blind faith is hard because it requires you to not question what is taught while it's in our nature to question things and to search for answers. Even though it is about gullibility, everyone isn't a part of it because some people are able to ask the right questions and search for the honest answers without an agenda to try and prove their current conclusions/beliefs right. Science is about making conclusions from facts and evidence while religion is about making facts and evidence from conclusions. It is also about brainwashing, childhood indoctrination IS brainwashing. When a child is very young they learn things at extraordinary rates but do not yet have the ability to discern what is true from what is false. Many religions pick up on this and brainwash children into dogmatically believing in a religion in which they pretty much have no choice otherwise. If you would like I can bring up video's showing this?

You actually can't make the same argument. I was referring solely to the belief in a personal deity, since Atheism does not believe in a deity, you cannot make that argument. It's not all about the person/people involved unless you're tring to say that your God is meaningless in this? Since your god doesn't do anything, never has, and never will, theirs no point in praying to him or worshipping him.

The belief in a deity is at best (in my opinion) selfish and at worst destructive and hateful.

If eternal life doesn't exist then all you're doing is lying to the person, what good does lying do? In over 2000 years not a single theist has ever been able to prove the existence of anything regarding any sort of after life or a heaven or hell. The closest that we've ever gotten are claims in which are explained as mere delusions. If these visions were actually real (such as the ones you've supposedly had) wouldn't that be proof (to you at least) which would destroy your free-will? Since you've supposedly seen heaven and hell doesn't that leave you with no choice but to accept your God?

What horrible immoral lessons are in atheism? If they are valid concerns in which I hold I can guarantee that will no longer be there, they will either be replaced or discarded, that is what atheism is about (at least to me). It's about what is doing what is best and most effective to progress humanity and doing that which promotes happiness, wellbeing and health, and minimizing unnecessary harm and suffering.

It's funny how if you don't say you're a realist, people always assume you're a pessimist (I'm a realist as well). If your God is as powerful as you say then, why can't he do this? Why does he just leave the world in such turmoil? Why has he let things spin so far out of control? Why do he allow such hate and filth be spoken and done in his name when in the days of the bible he would have struck them down? Why does he allow his teachings to be manipulated and twisted into bigotry, hatred, and lies? Why does he allow any of this to happen at all, why is humanity left to suffer that way that it does and why does your God allow us to continue down this path of destruction?

There is nothing in which anyone could ever do in any amount of time that would be deserving of such a fate, much less those in which you would call your children. The "just and benevolent" God in which you speak of would know that. As far as purgatory or the end of existence, where do you get this from? These are the rationalizations that I'm talking about! There is no meantion of any of this in the supposed word of your God. You disagree with the one life and your done plan in which is stated in the bible which is completely fucked up (pardon the language). So what you do is concoct these rationalization which aren't meantioned anywhere to try and make sense of this so that you can continue down this path of delusions! There's no real evidence to support a heaven and hell and much less for the rationalizations in which you giving it.

Why does their need to be an after-life at all, why can't we all just be born in heaven without having to deal with life on earth? Why must people go through all of this hatred and oppression and all the horrors that this world has to offer if pretty much everyone is going to end up in heaven anyway?

between Chights47 and BillRM

we have good thinking happening here

it is refreshing to say the least

Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.

And who says, that I don't question him? and validate the Homage of reason, apposed to blindfolded fear? Who says I validate the existence of God, based on blindfolded fear? (if your willing to ask) (then be willing to accept my views and opinions, and don't dismiss them)

And who says, that I don't question him? and validate the Homage of reason, apposed to blindfolded fear? Who says I validate the existence of God, based on blindfolded fear? (if your willing to ask) (th be willing to accept my views and opinions, and don't dismiss them)

Izzythepush, why is your name that?? as a matter of fact, if you guys are willing to explain, I am interested in knowing why you guys chose those specif screen names??

Nova Express is a social commentary on human and machine control of life. The Nova Mob—Sammy the Butcher, Izzy the Push, The Subliminal Kid, and others—are viruses, "defined as the three-dimensional coordinate point of a controller." "which invade the human body and in the process produce language." These Nova Criminals represent society, culture, and government, and have taken control. Inspector Lee and the rest of the Nova Police are left fighting for the rest of humanity in the power struggle.

But why would you BLAME God? Do you think God is leading her astray? Or do you believe, that it was in your life mission to prove you two belong together by "testing it" and that your fiance's bad other partner, and this psycho you dated are to blame, not God...It may have been a test of your fiance's "faith". As far as you maybe not having children, that's tough, but to me, somethings are not meant to be, my Aunt can't have children, and she FULLY embraces Christ, but does not blame Christ, for not being able to have children, instead she is a Godmother of about 4 in my family, and in turn IS being a MOTHER....When one door closes another one opens!

And I can bet dollars to donuts. the same exact thing is Happening with Atheists, who by their actions and "anti-God" beliefs who indoctrunate Children to Jade God, would you NOT agree, I know a few who have!

I can make the same argument because if your an Atheist, and are "not for" progressing Humanity, than it could very easily be viewed as selfish...and at worst, destructive, and to the point of hate...and if your particular Views on God are wrong, you could potentially be leading millions astray....And I will explain again, God is Leading me toward the path of light, So I can't "prove it" to you, but either you accept what I am saying and or not, and "understand" that to many there is in fact REASONS to Pray, and or worship...if that light from God, gets them to act and do "responsible, and acts of progressing humanity" then again would you call it pointless to embrace this light??

Nothing, but if Eternal life, does, than what good does it to to Deny, that it does, on the basis that there is "no proof" when we all know and understand the basis of finding this God, afterlife, is based about NOT questioning it , them...So if you question to the point of disbelief, why would you EVER believe you would find "it" your way??

And if Life eternal does exist, then your lying to people by saying to them it doesn't on the basis that you know whats better for others than they do, because Atheism works for you, Doesn't that show selfishness to you, to a certain degree, rather than ridding the world of useless, outdated, things etc??? It is proof to me, but that does not mean I am forced to accept God, and by the actions of sins I go against God many times, and use my free will...I could denounce God, and be a false prophet at anytime, and reject everything he says to me, and I see my life will be far worse than it is, apposed to better...and reliable proof, of people with near death experiences and my visions and dreams, can never be discredited. Just because you never incur something does not mean that something else hasn't, and it doesn't exist....or are delusions...

Denial, outside the circle of ones understandings of Self-Honesty, and Self-Awareness...If your telling me in that "progressing Humanity" that by the very nature, you know and understand what it better for another human being in conjunction to their beliefs in positive manner in a God, than that is a horrible immoral lesson indeed, and I doubt that Atheists will EVER stop doing this, and discard these actions....

Simple answer, for the basis of "free will" would you want to be struck down and taken away, do to lack of faith? and what kind of God would he be in making us exceedingly smart, so that we have free will, and then decide to force us to follow and obey him? it destroys the notion of a pieceful, merciful God...and that were in fact the greatest of all creations...

there in fact is again read up on the story of St. Catherine of Siena, and read about her brother choosing to go to Hell, and read about how she went to purgatory to "free souls" and you will see how God has many different plans and agendas than a black and white ending that people presume in the Bible, it also says in the Bible, that not everything God says or does is in there, for it would be impossible to list them all! and that the very object of the Bible is to use it as a guide, and become of prudent, so that you can make good healthy choices in all instances...

How then would we be God's GREATEST creation then? without being tested here??