Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

I have an interesting question in regards to Atheism. (If I am wrong with my "understandings" please tell me how?)

Why would you as an Atheist, believe that using a negative connotation to prove a positive one shows validity "behind'' your belief or lack of belief??

Example: Christianity believe's in Love thy neighbor as thyself, (Progressing humanity) (Positive Connotation)

and Except Jesus as the Lord and you'll be saved, (Positive Connotation)

Atheism belief or lack of belief is based about "trying to Prove" that there is no existence of a God...Negative Connotation to Prove a positive one??

It would be the same thing in Christianity, if the Second above belief was listed as the following. Go around and tell everyone who does NOT embrace Jesus Christ, is going to Hell, and you will be saved...which for SURE would "show people" to doubt Christianity EVEN more...

Do you guys believe you should "change" Atheism's beliefs or lack of beliefs to the belief to better Humanity, rather than the belief of No god's existence?? And then name it something like, Doubtfulism, Questionism, Humanism, Plausibilism, Dispellism, Humanityism? etc...

Do you guys understand my question??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Do you guys believe you should "change" Atheism's beliefs or lack of beliefs to the belief to better Humanity, rather than the belief of No god's existence?? And then name it something like, Doubtfulism, Questionism, Humanism, Plausibilism, Dispellism, Humanityism? etc...

Atheism only means not a theist all of the other ideas that you would like to add are their own subjects. {belief to better Humanity and so forth.}

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Atheism belief or lack of belief is based about "trying to Prove" that there is no existence of a God...Negative Connotation to Prove a positive one??

I do not see a need to try and disprove. Atheist should not even be a word that non believers use in my opinion. You never hear of people using words like non-astrologer or non-racist and so on.

I think that there is a lot to be learned from Sam Harris's video about the "dangers" of "atheism"

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@reasoning logic,

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I do not see a need to try and disprove. Atheist should not even be a word that non believers use in my opinion. You never hear of people using words like non-astrologer or non-racist and so on.

So then you understand my point then, yes? What word (or definition) would you wish that Atheists use in general to describe yourselves then???

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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What word (or definition) would you wish that Atheists use in general to describe yourselves then???

people

If you would like to build on that then I think it should be you that builds on it. Example: {Gods people} for you theist and just plain people for us that are not. We were not called atheist when we were born so why start?

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@reasoning logic,

But by listing it as God's people, and people. It would make it look like God's people were looking down upon Atheists...Or they were somehow Less equal people. Would you not agree>?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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But by listing it as God's people, and people. It would make it look like God's people were looking down upon Atheists...Or they were somehow Less equal people. Would you not agree>?

Not really I see it as kids and school kids, tall people and short people, fat people and skinny people, healthy people and sick people. It only describe what you are and not necessarily what you are not. We are just people and you are God's people at least you think you are.
We think you are crazy but we still love you.

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@reasoning logic,

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We think you are crazy but we still love you.

Crazy with a subset being dangerous to the public safety such as shouting god is great as the plane is flown into a building.

If XXSpadeMasterXX happen to hear god/jesus telling him to kill his children or others then we would have a problem such as in Jones town below.

http://blog.cleveland.com/world_impact/2008/11/large_Bodies1978-30_Years_After_Jonestown_Meye.JPG

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Why would you as an Atheist, believe that using a negative connotation to prove a positive one shows validity "behind'' your belief or lack of belief??

Example: Christianity believe's in Love thy neighbor as thyself, (Progressing humanity) (Positive Connotation)

and Except Jesus as the Lord and you'll be saved, (Positive Connotation)

Atheism belief or lack of belief is based about "trying to Prove" that there is no existence of a God...Negative Connotation to Prove a positive one??

It would be the same thing in Christianity, if the Second above belief was listed as the following. Go around and tell everyone who does NOT embrace Jesus Christ, is going to Hell, and you will be saved...which for SURE would "show people" to doubt Christianity EVEN more...

Do you guys believe you should "change" Atheism's beliefs or lack of beliefs to the belief to better Humanity, rather than the belief of No god's existence?? And then name it something like, Doubtfulism, Questionism, Humanism, Plausibilism, Dispellism, Humanityism? etc...

Do you guys understand my question??

I try to remove all that I feel is not beneficial to the world and either replace it with what it more efficient, or just remove it. As fas as "love thy neighbor as thyself" I believe that it's flawed, what if you do not love yourself? I believe that Carl Sagan said it best with the Silver Rule: "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you." With your example of accepting Jesus and being saved, what good does this do. Throughout thousands of years and thousands of religions not a single one has presented any shred of verifiable evidence. It has always been and will always be based on ignorance, gullibility, and brainwashing. The belief in a deity is at best (in my opinion) selfish and at worst destructive and hateful. While at it's best it doesn't do harm, neither does it (in itself) do any good. Good things can come from certain lessons that it teaches, but there is also horrible and immoral lessons as well (in which a lot of people pick up on). Why can't we just take the good and build on it while ridding ourselves of the bad, outdated, and useless? When will the human race get to the age of reason where we don't need these magical sky daddies to take care of us? When are we going to start taking real responsibilty for this earth and all living creatures on it?

As a side note, your pro and con for Christianity are actually the same, just one has a sugar coated positive spin which the other is the harsh "truth". By saying that Jesus saves, you're also saying that if you don't believe in him, you're going to suffer in agony forever.

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@reasoning logic,

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I do not see a need to try and disprove. Atheist should not even be a word that non believers use in my opinion. You never hear of people using words like non-astrologer or non-racist and so on.

But then to me I have a different take on that, To me there is a big Misunderstanding of where you draw the line to "progressing Humanity" and where you cross the line to be "proving not proving'' things in your views...

What would you label giving me your time to explain how you feel there is No such existence of a God, on these message forums? If it is progressing Humanity, then how are you not also crossing the line and "trying to prove" that God doesn't exist, and if you see that you maybe are "trying to prove a God doesn't exist" (at least at times) How then would you feel about your belief/lack of belief as to Not trying to prove, nor disprove a God??

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@Chights47,

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I try to remove all that I feel is not beneficial to the world and either replace it with what it more efficient, or just remove it.

What if I was to tell you, that by the Grace of God, I am in fact able to do the same things with which you do. Would you say that a God Is valuable or invaluable then? (and Millions who seem to be the SAME way)

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As fas as "love thy neighbor as thyself" I believe that it's flawed, what if you do not love yourself? I believe that Carl Sagan said it best with the Silver Rule: "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you."

I agree, and you can word it anyway you would like, the point is that the message in Love thy neighbor as thyself, Is saying take care of yourself, and Humanity...

If you take care of yourself, then part of that is taking care of others, and if you do not love yourself, then it is present, you could care less about others, which directly coincides with progressing humanity. And if you do not Love yourself, and not taking care of others, then your objective is to learn to understand yourself, love yourself, treat yourself that way, and do likewise toward other human beings...And also,by Jesus listing it this way, He is saying make sure you have yourself in order before you go out and profess to others what their wrongs and faults are, (which to me is VERY important)

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With your example of accepting Jesus and being saved, what good does this do. Throughout thousands of years and thousands of religions not a single one has presented any shred of verifiable evidence.

Evidence of what? being, or acted like there saved? or evidence of God, and the Good it does?

To me there is plenty of evidence, observe 20 people doing a Good act, go up to them and ask them pardon me by if you don't mind me asking what religion/lack of religion are you, and the odds are 5 of them will be Christ followers....It terms of evidence of a God being Good or trustworthy, You have 2 perfect examples right in your life that you know of, Your fiance, and myself...Do you believe we are being lead astray by something that "compels" us to do good in his name???

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It has always been and will always be based on ignorance, gullibility, and brainwashing. The belief in a deity is at best (in my opinion) selfish and at worst destructive and hateful.

Everyone is Ignorant at times, faith itself is not about gullibility, it is probably the single hardest thing on the face of the planet to accept and embrace. If it was about Gullibility, than EVERYONE would in fact be doing it, with perfection, and with the simplest of ease....it's not about brainwashing at all, (least not for the faithful ones) My message on coming here, is not to force nor impose you to do or not to do, and your saved or screwed, but rather to enhance your inhibitions as to your beliefs/lack of beliefs, and if it isn't that way, then why do you say after reading my posts, with which I depict a very merciful God indeed...You go farther toward Atheism. So in NO way, am I here to brainwash, and your freely doing as you please...If it was brainwashing, then you would see people converted left and right on there forums as "proof"

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The belief in a deity is at best (in my opinion) selfish and at worst destructive and hateful.

I can in fact make the SAME exact argument about Atheism, You do realize this right? Like I said, It all depends on the person, people involved. Not the focal point of the Belief system in place. I think you need to venture into understanding the Christian person more, rather than viewing the person, with the belief in your mind. Looking at them from the outside...and likewise it would not be a bad Idea. If I got to know and understand "real Pragmatic Atheists, and understood them as a person more....Because to you, it would be progressing Humanity, and for me, and would be loving ALL my brother and sister equally, and continuing to accept them and love them regardless of their belief/view on God...That is what Jesus Christ is ALL about...

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While at it's best it doesn't do harm, neither does it (in itself) do any good. Good things can come from certain lessons that it teaches, but there is also horrible and immoral lessons as well (in which a lot of people pick up on).

The act of accepting Jesus, and doing nothing, with conjunction to living a life according to Christ? I agree to a point, But if they truly are very bad sinners, and can't right their wrongs, or don't even have the will power to change. Then what should they do? At least with a God, he gives them a way out in life eternal, whether the simplest of simple in Heaven, it does not matter anymore. (If the Bible is correct, and a Heaven exists...remember, Some people are just not mentally as strong as you and I are in this world, and others on here...SO they Should just suffer, and suck at everything they do, with only death their comfort? I will gladly accept a God exists to enlighten their new beginning forever more then. (if that's your view)...

There will always be horrible and immoral lessons in everything, Including Atheism...So what is the point then, to dismiss everything all together??

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Why can't we just take the good and build on it while ridding ourselves of the bad, outdated, and useless?

To many, the Good, is God "compelling them to Do good, and change their lives...So therefor, a God, (Jesus) is in fact to them, unsequestered...and to me, it would be ridiculous and outlandish to dismiss the power of God....For I have personally experienced his miraculous power to heal, and convert for the good....So in NO way, is it bad, and or outdated, and or useless, but exceedingly exponential....

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When will the human race get to the age of reason where we don't need these magical sky daddies to take care of us? When are we going to start taking real responsibility for this earth and all living creatures on it?

Good question, to the fullest, and not to bring you down. But I am not a Pessimist, but a realist...and the simple fact is that, those things you listed above MAY NEVER HAPPEN to the fullest....

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As a side note, your pro and con for Christianity are actually the same, just one has a sugar coated positive spin which the other is the harsh "truth". By saying that Jesus saves, you're also saying that if you don't believe in him, you're going to suffer in agony forever.

If it in fact happens that way, none the less the point with which someone would have to do, reach or cross to be at that point..."from my understandings" they truly deserve to be there...But none the less, you may luck out and God may grant purgatory, or no afterlife whatsoever to appease all...Just many other possibilities...It isn't black and white like you "think it is" I have said and ill say many more times on here....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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When will the human race get to the age of reason where we don't need these magical sky daddies to take care of us? When are we going to start taking real responsibility for this earth and all living creatures on it?

Good question, to the fullest, and not to bring you down. But I am not a Pessimist, but a realist...and the simple fact is that, those things you listed above MAY NEVER HAPPEN to the fullest....

Just MORE plausibility, Or Fire-Power, that an afterlife, would NOT be such a Bad thing after all...considering A LOT more than not will be In Heaven, apposed to Hell...

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@BillRM,

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Crazy with a subset being dangerous to the public safety such as shouting god is great as the plane is flown into a building.

I will explain this again, people who do those type of acts DO NOT symbolize God, nor depict any truth or validity behind whatever one is true, (if one exists) (and I feel It's Jesus Christ) they DO NOT KNOW GOD, NOR DO THEY FOLLOW AND OBEY HIM! and I don't follow and Obey ANY ISLAMIC GOD, So your talking to the wrong choir here....

AND AGAIN, Go look up on youtube about Atheists who are gangbangers, and murders and extremely wicked people...DO these people (Murderers, Gang members etc) Symbolize your beliefs/lack of beliefs, and or views personally? If you answer is yes, then I truly feel sorry for you, and you should not be focused on Christians alone, but you, yourself and ALL those who practice malicious acts, and WICKED EVIL....If your answer is no, (those evil Atheists don't depict your life, actions, Views etc...than STOP POSTING ABOUT HOW RELIGIOUS, AND OR NAMELY CHRISTIANS DO THESE THINGS, AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IF ATHEISM IS CORRECT< WHY DO ATHEISTS DO THE SAME EXACT EVIL THROUGHOUT THE WORLD???? ONCE YOU SEE THAT EVIL IS EVIL< REGARDLESS OF WHATSOEVER THEY 'SAY" THEY FOLLOW IS BOGUS< AND THERE LOST TO SAY THE LEAST...THAT THESE EVIL ONES, AGAIN REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY CLAIM HAS NO RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER TO THE BETTER OF HUMANITY< NOR ANY LIVING GOD THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST!!!![/i]

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I will explain this again, people who do those type of acts DO NOT symbolize God, nor depict any truth or validity behind whatever one is true, (if one exists) (and I feel It's Jesus Christ) they DO NOT KNOW GOD, NOR DO THEY FOLLOW AND OBEY HIM! and I don't follow and Obey ANY ISLAMIC GOD, So your talking to the wrong choir here....

Sorry those people are just as convicted as you are now that they are acting in god name and as neither of you can disprove otherwise they as had as must rights as you do to feel that way.

You and the people of Jones Town share a believe system where no proof in needed or call for only faith in god and a willing to follow those beliefs.

In other word you are no more and no less irrational in your faith then those poor people at Jones Town.

At the moment your irrational believes had not called upon you to move to a jungle and there kill your family but there is clearly no rational reason why that could not come about in your future.

Irrational people, by their very nature, actions can not be predicted and believing in some big daddy in the sky and even communicating with this big daddy by way of his son as you had posted on this thread you had done is solid proof of your irrationality.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Also, I know we are past this and I am not trying to Kick you while your down but since Bill brought this up this is a great chance to prove my point...In NO WAY do I associate Your views with his, and in NO WAY am I angry toward you like I was a little upset when responding to Bill's post...But never the less you made a post with links about Christianity and Islam, and not as a whole...so this a Great time because of Bill's post to sum up my point with this once and for all...I will reference you (Chights) because I feel you get what I am saying or at least value my views, rather, than just being oppionative about EVERYTHING like BILL IS...

You posted the videos, and then posted this in response....and then I will make Hopefully my FINAL point about these types of videos....

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Chights said: The link and video's that I posted are representative of Christianity and Islam,but not as a whole.

Show the video's of Atheists doing horrible things such I have shown of Christians and Muslims, I don't care. I'm actually doing something to make this world a better place and to remove all of that hate and greed and evil...all of it, even that which comes from supposed religious "righteousness".

My hopefully FINAL point with these videos is this, look at the above bold text, and see what you wrote...and I say to ALL of you, that I DO the exact same thing in regards to making the world a BETTER place, and I chose to use Christianity to do this....It would be FLAT out Ridiculous to waste my time to post links of videos of Atheists who practice pure abominations and wickedness, in conjunction to the Atheists on here, who actually "show" they value and are "trying to" progress humanity...And the videos are a waste of time, for they symbolize Nothing, but Satanism...(if he exists) these people, and these videos, do NOT jade my views of pragmatic Atheists, and I feel this should "show" that WICKED FALSE CHRISTIANS, MEAN NOTHING IN REGARDS TO THE ONE'S WHO WORK TO BETTER THE WORLD!!....The End! (I HOPE)

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@BillRM,

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Irrational people, by their very nature, actions can not be predicted and believing in some big daddy in the sky and even communicating with this big daddy by way of his son as you had posted on this thread you had done is solid proof of your irrationality.

WHY?? BECAUSE YOU PERSONALLY CAN'T DISPROVE IT? MAY I REMIND YOU, YOU NEVER INCURRED IT, EITHER, SO I GUESS YOU'LL NEVER KNOW....BUT HAVE FUN PRETENDING YOU ACTUALLY CAN UNDERSTAND< AND COMPREHEND WHAT GOD DOES OR SAYS TO ME PERSONALLY!!!

GO BACK TO YOUR OVERBEARING< EGOTISTICAL< CELL THAT YOU DWELL IN LITTLE MISS CAN"T BE WRONG!!!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Oh your living god that you worship by the bible that you believe in at one point killed all of the human race but for one family.

Drowning men women and even infants on some godly whim.

Such a god is more of a devil then a god and even if such a god exist I see little reason to worship such an evil being.

Oh the reason to worship him is so this evil being will not torture you forever in some lake of fire.

If that is your reason to worship this god/devil it is not a reason to be proud of to say the least.

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@BillRM,

Bill I mean this in the MOST beneficial way for everyone who has to read you audacity and utter gual you post! When you are mature enough to stand down from your soap box, and stop believing "your opinions" are ALWAYS EXACTLY RIGHT and NEVER WRONG, than I, as well as a lot of others on here will take you SERIOUSLY! And Will GLADLY TALK WITH YOU!! Once you REALIZE your being utterly immature to say the least, people will actually except your views and positions WILLINGLY!!!

I wish you the best of luck with your life, and wish no harm for you in your life...but in All honesty, it would be the BEST THING FOR YOUR SAKE, to stop posting on these threads, UNLESS your attitude and opinions change dramitically!!

I have NOTHING more to say...Good luck bro, with the way you act and live. Your probably going to need all the luck you can get. Otherwise someone out there is probably going to kick the living **** out of you one day if not kill you for your tongue...have a nice life Bill....

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@BillRM,

Last post, and I will probably never speak to him again!!

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Irrational people, by their very nature, actions can not be predicted and believing in some big daddy in the sky and even communicating with this big daddy by way of his son as you had posted on this thread you had done is solid proof of your irrationality.

AND YOU ARE THE MOST RATIONAL PERSON ON HERE, TO GIVE OTHERS ''POINTERS" ABOUT IRRATIONALITY???[/color]

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Oh can not defend a god that would drown infants on a whim and on a global scale?

Yes that is the evil old man not his son who will offer you some protection from the evil old man.

Even in your irrational belief system there are some problems with stomaching the claimed actions of your god.

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@BillRM,

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Irrational people, by their very nature, actions can not be predicted and believing in some big daddy in the sky and even communicating with this big daddy by way of his son as you had posted on this thread you had done is solid proof of your irrationality.

AND YOU ARE THE MOST RATIONAL PERSON ON HERE, TO GIVE OTHERS ''POINTERS" ABOUT IRRATIONALITY???[/color][/size]

notice he never answers the questions anyone asks him!! It's Just his "same run-on rambling bullshit" over and over....

AND WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE THAT ATHEISTS WHO "BLATANTLY DISAGREE WITH MY VIEWS'' GIVE ME THEIR TIME AND EFFORT TO ACTUALLY SIT AND TALK AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS BACK AND FORTH WITH ME<APPOSED TO YOU,<IF I IN FACT HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE NOR RATIONAL< BENEFICIAL TO TALK ABOUT???

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