Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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and in what way then is God and Jesus not giving you what you want to do in this life, So that you feel humanity is pushed to second>>

is not god and jesus more important than your own Humanity ? to you

if god or jesus or both , were to ask you to kill another human in their name would you do it ?

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@north,

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is not god and jesus more important than your own Humanity ? to you

if god or jesus or both , were to ask you to kill another human in their name would you do it ?

there one and the same to me, Jesus in the source of all good things to me and completes me, but in turn that makes me "better" for humanity, and likewise when I am doing good for humanity, I can feel and sense Jesus telling me it was a good thing that I have done...

No I would not! because I would KNOW that Jesus would not instruct me to kill in his name, and I would KNOW that it is from the Devil himself....

If Jesus was to tell you to sacrifice your life to save another, to "help Humanity" would you do that???

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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is not god and jesus more important than your own Humanity ? to you

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if god or jesus or both , were to ask you to kill another human in their name would you do it ?

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there one and the same to me, Jesus in the source of all good things to me and completes me, but in turn that makes me "better" for humanity, and likewise when I am doing good for humanity, I can feel and sense Jesus telling me it was a good thing that I have done...

and what have you done that makes you feel better about your self , beyond jesus telling you this ?

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No I would not! because I would KNOW that Jesus would not instruct me to kill in his name, and I would KNOW that it is from the Devil himself....

yet when push comes to shove , you would kill another human to show that you are more in-touch with god than the other you killed , because you understand god better than this human does

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If Jesus was to tell you to sacrifice your life to save another, to "help Humanity" would you do that???

NO

because I don't trust jesus

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@north,

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and what have you done that makes you feel better about your self , beyond jesus telling you this ?

Many things indeed! too many to list...

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yet when push comes to shove , you would kill another human to show that you are more in-touch with god than the other you killed , because you understand god better than this human does

What? in terms of the final battle?? People will see there flat out wrong on all accounts, and according to Christ, if it even goes down that way, that if there killed by the sword, by Jesus, myself, others then that is the beginning of their doom, they made their bed they have to lie in it....and for the record, it does not have to come down to me killing you because I know God better than you do, as I have stated before, you have a choice to embrace God or not...If you believe an afterlife exists, and Christ is there, but are against him, and make it your mission to "prove he's wrong" than why should he be anything but vengeful toward you??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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and what have you done that makes you feel better about your self , beyond jesus telling you this ?

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Many things indeed! too many to list...

well name two at least

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yet when push comes to shove , you would kill another human to show that you are more in-touch with god than the other you killed , because you understand god better than this human does

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What? in terms of the final battle?? People will see there flat out wrong on all accounts, and according to Christ, if it even goes down that way, that if there killed by the sword, by Jesus, myself, others then that is the beginning of their doom, they made their bed they have to lie in it...

as I said , you would kill another Human , based on your religion

religion will be the down fall of Humanity

hence why I'm an atheist

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.and for the record, it does not have to come down to me killing you because I know God better than you do, as I have stated before, you have a choice to embrace God or not...If you believe an afterlife exists, and Christ is there, but are against him, and make it your mission to "prove he's wrong" than why should he be anything but vengeful toward you??

my point made

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@north,

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well name two at least

Working at a food bank for volunteer work, Donating to people less fortunate, cleaning up the streets with which I live within etc....need I say any more for your approval?

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as I said , you would kill another Human , based on your religion
religion will be the down fall of Humanity
hence why I'm an atheist

And yet without Jesus telling you to do so, you would not give up your life to better another's, to better humanity if it came down to your life, or preserving someone else's, these views will be the downfall of Atheism....

Like Jesus says those who Cherish their lives will in fact lose them, those who are willing to give them up will keep them....

Hence why I am Christian...

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My point made

what point did you make that I missed? you believe in an afterlife, and Christ, But MAKE IT YOUR MISSION TO "TRY" TO PISS GOD OFF, AND FIGHT AGAINST HIM?? Should he embrace you for this>? or are you NOT worthy of punishment for acting foolishly??

MY POINT MADE!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

well name two at least

Working at a food bank for volunteer work, Donating to people less fortunate, cleaning up the streets with which I live within etc....need I say any more for your approval?

NO

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as I said , you would kill another Human , based on your religion
religion will be the down fall of Humanity
hence why I'm an atheist

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And yet without Jesus telling you to do so, you would not give up your life to better another's, to better humanity if it came down to your life, or preserving someone else's

I have done good in a different way

I have encouraged others to do well , but only two have listened

and both have done very well , its a good feeling

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Like Jesus says those who Cherish their lives will in fact lose them, those who are willing to give them up will keep them....

Hence why I am Christian...

atheist can do the same good , without religion

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Like Jesus says those who Cherish their lives will in fact lose them, those who are willing to give them up will keep them....

Demagoguery, and cheap !

Cherishing your life means caring and respecting your own body and mind and precisely because you do so, seams natural and clever caring for the welfare of the community around you in order to receive a constructive feedback...
...The opposite means that if you are not willing to take care of yourself and respect yourself you most probably won´t care much for others also...

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@north,

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atheist can do the same good , without religion

So then why can't religion do the same without Atheism??

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@Fil Albuquerque,

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Demagoguery, and cheap !

Cherishing your life means caring and respecting your own body and mind and precisely because you do so, seams natural and clever caring for the welfare of the community around you in order to receive a constructive feedback...
...The opposite means that if you are not willing to take care of yourself and respect yourself you most probably won´t care much for others also...

I do not believe that that is what Jesus was specifically referring to when he says cherish the way he says it, the way he words it in meaning to "my understands" is exactly the way you summed it up, above willing to give it up, and flip your other part around in his ways of expressing Cherishing your life, that is the way he meant it....the same exact way you worded it, only it is meant to be understood the flip ways, not litteral...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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atheist can do the same good , without religion

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So then why can't religion do the same without Atheism??

because atheism is about the soul of Humanity

religion is about charity

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My point made

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what point did you make that I missed? you believe in an afterlife,

not believe in an afterlife , ? it is

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and Christ

he is where he is , in the after-life

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, But MAKE IT YOUR MISSION TO "TRY" TO PISS GOD OFF, AND FIGHT AGAINST HIM?? Should he embrace you for this>? or are you NOT worthy of punishment for acting foolishly??

MY POINT MADE!

god will do what he does

if I had my way , I would sit him down at a table with a bottle of what ever , vodka , whisky etc. or wine , whatever

and say you screwed up

god , you have all these factions that think they understand you better then anyother , and they are willing to kill each other because of this thinking , straighten them out

seems reasonable that god would do this , you know , straighten these factions out

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, But MAKE IT YOUR MISSION TO "TRY" TO PISS GOD OFF, AND FIGHT AGAINST HIM?? Should he embrace you for this>? or are you NOT worthy of punishment for acting foolishly??

MY POINT MADE!

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god will do what he does

if I had my way , I would sit him down at a table with a bottle of what ever , vodka , whisky etc. or wine , whatever

and say you screwed up

god , you have all these factions that think they understand you better then anyother , and they are willing to kill each other because of this thinking , straighten them out

seems reasonable that god would do this , you know , straighten these factions out

between christianity , islamic and jewish religions

ugh .... god know this , I think or at least should anyway

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Like Jesus says those who Cherish their lives will in fact lose them, those who are willing to give them up will keep them....

Hence why I am Christian...

I find most of what Jesus had to say very enlightening.
Have you ever heard this man speak about the church? He seems to be asking you and every Christian a few questions. He says that even atheist can carry the cross, what do you think about that?

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@reasoning logic,

I will watch and reply to this video later, I have to run right now...just came to read up on the reply's...have a great day Logic...

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@north,

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god will do what he does

if I had my way , I would sit him down at a table with a bottle of what ever , vodka , whisky etc. or wine , whatever

and say you screwed up

god , you have all these factions that think they understand you better then anyother , and they are willing to kill each other because of this thinking , straighten them out

seems reasonable that god would do this , you know , straighten these factions out

And what if in fact in the end it was mearly all a test and not one will perish? or be killed? Would you admit to God, that your views of him were screwed up??

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@Chights47,

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Could you please explain the arguments for atheism, I'm afraid I don't understand with it's current context. My personal answers would be that the best argument for atheism would be the god of the gaps argument, and the best for theism would probably be (no offense) ignorance. The more I learn about the world and of science, the more solidified that I am in my atheism. Looking back, I've always been an atheist, but it wasn't until I really started to look for the truth before I actually took on the title.

Maybe I did not understand what you were in fact asking...The best things I could take from being Atheist, is the fact that (to me they have the Benefit of the doubt, and are Mostly misunderstood) (such examples exist, with my past friends, compared to ones on here (like yourself) who actually do "reflections of light" and the Bad I take from it, is Denial, for I see a lot of Atheists who will argue till their death, that no such thing as sin exists...with which you can call it what you would like....But I am sure Most honest and self aware people will admit that they make mistakes in their lives that they regret....and do bad or negative actions in conjunction with a consciousness...

The Good I take from Christianity, Is the acceptance of "faith" itself. And the Bad, is people who claim they follow and Obey God, But are doing and or practicing evil or hate, to the point where there not saved, least not right now, and are leading people astray....

I think I understand what you mean by your question after thinking about it...

My opinion still stands the same for Christianity, and I don't believe I know or understand Atheism "enough" or have been around "enough pragmatic ones" to have or know the best argument for there validity, but I would say that their negative is STILL denial....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

to me, If your asking me "in my experiences" what shows the most validity "behind" Atheism, and Christianity, than I would say it has to do with the person, people not on the basis of beliefs...So I would say that the positive is Christ Followers who embrace "faith" is the best thing...and one who say they embrace ''faith" but practice Hate, and utter evil, and wickedness is the negative...

And for Atheism, (the Pragmatic ones) the Most plausible acts they do "behind" their belief and or lack of belief in conjunction to the person, people involved would be their Self-Awareness, and Self-Honesty concepts...and the negative would be the fact of denial in regards to "outside" their circle of Self-Honesty, Self-Awareness Concepts...

As far as the Belief system, I do not know enough about Atheism, or enough Pragmatic ones to know or understand a "true" indication of validity or not...

I hope this helps....

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@reasoning logic,

I actually tend to AGREE with a lot of what this man preaches about, and he makes a lot of valid points...I (personally) am not boasting but would say I feel and do things similar to what he does in regards to beliefs, and acceptance, piece, mercy etc...

But the thing that I truly believe, is there are in FACT MANY RAYS OF LIGHT IN EVERY RELIGION, AND EVEN ATHEISM, (IF ONE IS PRAGMATIC) but I feel at the end of the day, yes others do in fact carry the cross. But the acceptance of the Savior "Signifies" this fact. (to me personally) If you in fact are carrying the cross, then like I said before, there is a "good sporting chance" you will in fact be saved, if you accept that...But WITHOUT the signification...then the carrying of the cross is NOT FULLY COMPLETE...

And at the end of the day, I see MANY rays of Light from EVERY religion and even Pragmatic Atheists, but if your NOT willing to take the step to Signify "it" than you can in fact be saved, but your not Complete as of yet, but still doing God's work....I don't want to say there Empty Religions or beliefs, or lack of beliefs, but their not FULLY complete one's either...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

The better question would be, if your in fact carrying the cross. Why would you NOT wish to "signify it"? If you believe you should not have to, then Like I said, "there is a good sporting chance you will be saved, if you wish" but it's not COMPLETENESS YET...

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