Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Definition of Wisdom: the ability or result of an ability to think and act utilizing knowledge, experience, understanding, and common sense. Religion generally doesn't promote many (or any) of these things. Knowledge is (of course) about knowing things, you seem to know very little (if that) about the history of religion (which Is important) so strike that off your list.

Also, out of curiosity, Why do you and some others on here "think" that I "need" to have knowledge in the history of religion?? What is it going to tell me that will change my views? I will again explain my situation, I was Catholic, then Atheist, Heard God's voice, searched every major religion I could handle "Until" I found Christ...So I found God, and he found me, What is the history of religion going to have Anything to do with my personal relationship with God? oppossed to "others interpretations" of "how" religion "came about"? and like wise what is more valid, my "own personal" relationship with a God ?(if he she exist) or someone else "INTERPRETATIONS" of what religion and or a God truly is??

Have you heard of the "god of the gaps" argument? I find this argument to be one of the more detrimental argument against religion. Researching about the history of religion and the previous claims in which religion has made in which have been disproven shows that religion should not just be handed credibility, especially since there are no claims in which have been proven or at least have no less credible secular answers.

If you don't mind my asking, what is it that made you or lead you to becoming an atheist after being Catholic and at what age were you when you came to this conclusion?

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@voiceindarkness,

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RexDraconis111 wrote:

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God cannot violate the free will of man.

Just had a thought about this: Why not?

As a gift from the creator, free will is one of the aspects of man, God would not be righteous if he violated this.
God can influence your will, from within, where the heart is. On the other side of the coin, Satan influences the mind, which is created without.

Um...I don't know about anyone else, but I see a contradiction here.

There isn't any difference that I can see here. In this case, influence and violation are not different. Influence without consent (as is the case with some people) IS violation.

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@RexDraconis111,

Why should one bother to point plain contradictions to someone who thinks his the son of God on Earth ?

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Mostly I'm just trying to tell voice that he isn't swaying me. Whether he'll listen (HIGHLY doubtful) doesn't really matter to me. It's more of a defense of my beliefs than anything else at this point.

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@Chights47,

Why would you "believe" that someone is either less or more correct because their posts have gramatical errors in them?? If you can "understand" the OVERALL jive of what is being said, and you can interpret it enough to make sense to "point out" where you disagree...then for a FACT, whether your willing to accept this or not, (or based on your view of self-honesty) "it"(gramatical errors) "really" isn't as important as your making them seem....now if you "personally feel" that I am "willfully being Ignorant", then that is something "you must" focus on for "you" to be self-honest within yourself....and likewise, if "it" truly offends you that someone's post has errors in them, then I would suggest, being the "better man" and shrouging my posts off, and saying, or responding with Nothing, or a simple, I disagree....the FACT, that you feel "compelled" to even reply to my post(s) shows me that you "feel" their is lagitimacy to what someone is in fact posting about. for if it "Truly" offended you, then "you" of higher understandings would understand that the time is "not even worth wasting" in explaining such things...and I view your initial post as just a personal attack, and nothing more. So I will be the better person, and say that I am sorry, If you view my errors as ignorance, but it is not meant to be taken this way. My contexts of words are good, but my vocabulary is bad...If your offended, I would ask that you skip over my posts, if my errors offend you to the point where you need to post about them to make it seem like I am clueless "because of them" and when you are willing to be self-honest, and "admit", it "really isn't the problem here", (but my views are), and that your "trying" to evade certain questions at hand, and have more self-honesty with yourself, I will Gladly respond to your posts....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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If you don't mind my asking, what is it that made you or lead you to becoming an atheist after being Catholic and at what age were you when you came to this conclusion?

Being around "other Atheists" and Doing actions "that by definition would be against a God" I was around 21 or 22 when I was Atheist, and found out rather quickly, in less than 3 yrs, it was wrong and indeed foolish for me to do and or be around "these people" who truly did not give a rat's ass about me nor my life...and when I was repenting, and praying to God, is when I "felt" "more love and acceptance" than ANY LIVING PERSON...especially the ones with which I followed and embraced, who did little to nothing to "show" they valued "other human Life" "other than their own" and I found out, that if Atheism is correct, I don't wish to be like ones who I know or have seen who follow these views, but rather of someone who accepts everyone, regardless, and likewise why I say, I have learned a lot from this website, "even from Atheists" for some seem to have or want the ability to "actually help Humanity" but to me, most are still WAY "too comsumed within their own selves, to actually start focusing on progressing humanity...which tells me that they have way to many problems to ever "try'' to help others apposed to "always watching themselves" which is valid, or they "feel" that whenever they speak " it is (in most cases) the correct word, and there is in fact no reasoning at all...which just tells me, that it is in fact MORE deception...plain and simple....

And to you Chights: (I will give you a perfect example:) have you made posting errors in your time on this website?? (yes) would you be "upset" if "I" posted about "your errors" when I make a lot more than you do?? (probably, Yes) like I said, plain and simple! if it were in fact about "progressing humanity" then these things would not matter nor have or hold importance as they do to so MANY atheists on here, but rather, that actually helping someone was actually being achieved...that is why, I am content with God, whether I have a gift or not, I have NO PROBLEM telling someone what they do or doing is Good, or bad (regardless of their spiritual beliefs) and likewise, I actually look to better myself, and LEARN from posting and reading on here...a TRUE indication, whether my views on God and or beliefs are correct, I actually do "value other life, and beliefs" so therefor, I take it again that Christ, is NOT leading me astray....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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If you don't mind my asking, what is it that made you or lead you to becoming an atheist after being Catholic and at what age were you when you came to this conclusion?

Being around "other Atheists" and Doing actions "that by definition would be against a God" I was around 21 or 22 when I was Atheist, and found out rather quickly, in less than 3 yrs, it was wrong and indeed foolish for me to do and or be around "these people" who truly did not give a rat's ass about me nor my life...and when I was repenting, and praying to God, is when I "felt" "more love and acceptance" than ANY LIVING PERSON...especially the ones with which I followed and embraced, who did little to nothing to "show" they valued "other human Life" "other than their own" and I found out, that if Atheism is correct, I don't wish to be like ones who I know or have seen who follow these views, but rather of someone who accepts everyone, regardless, and likewise why I say, I have learned a lot from this website, "even from Atheists" for some seem to have or want the ability to "actually help Humanity" but to me, most are still WAY "too comsumed within their own selves, to actually start focusing on progressing humanity...which tells me that they have way to many problems to ever "try'' to help others apposed to "always watching themselves" which is valid, or they "feel" that whenever they speak " it is (in most cases) the correct word, and there is in fact no reasoning at all...which just tells me, that it is in fact MORE deception...plain and simple....

And to you Chights: (I will give you a perfect example:) have you made posting errors in your time on this website?? (yes) would you be "upset" if "I" posted about "your errors" when I make a lot more than you do?? (probably, Yes) like I said, plain and simple! if it were in fact about "progressing humanity" then these things would not matter nor have or hold importance as they do to so MANY atheists on here, but rather, that actually helping someone was actually being achieved...that is why, I am content with God, whether I have a gift or not, I have NO PROBLEM telling someone what they do or doing is Good, or bad (regardless of their spiritual beliefs) and likewise, I actually look to better myself, and LEARN from posting and reading on here...a TRUE indication, whether my views on God and or beliefs are correct, I actually do "value other life, and beliefs" so therefor, I take it again that Christ, is NOT leading me astray....

well other atheists , he has a point

he is saying that atheists are a nasty bunch

well fellow atheists shall we get are act together and smarten up or will we be are own worst enemy ?

up to us

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@north,

He probably just soft-cocked on the initiation rites - you know, sacrificing a goat, drowning children, the simple stuff.

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@north,

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well other atheists , he has a point
he is saying that atheists are a nasty bunch
well fellow atheists shall we get are act together and smarten up or will we be are own worst enemy ?
up to us

Yes reality have some connection to how nice or not nice people are who tend to allow the real universe to be their guide instead of childly fairy tales.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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...I have NO PROBLEM telling someone what they do or doing is Good, or bad...

So, out of curiosity, who decides what's "good" and "bad" in these situations?

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@RexDraconis111,

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So, out of curiosity, who decides what's "good" and "bad" in these situations?

depending on the own person (people involved) I would say, that your OWN consciousness, would be the MOST VALID for an individual...and SOMETIMES, this requires to listen to the consciousness, AND THEN REJECT IT, or TURN IT AWAY, and DO WHAT YOU FEEL IS RIGHT, the second or maybe 3rd time around...sometimes it is a test within a test to do
the "right" thing....and the "wrong" things can be summed up by dong (in most cases just the opposite)

While we are in fact on this subject, who do you believe, or how do you believe, you make "right or Wrong" choices in life?

(and no offense to anyone) but If "some of you" are going to ''try'' to "pursuade me" that there is NO SUCH thing as CHOOSING TO DO GOOD, (Apposed to) OR CHOOSING TO DO BAD....than I probably will not even respond. I don't know how to approach that view or mentality WITHOUT being offensive, and WITHOUT invading someone's "personal space" in regards to Self-Awareness, Self-Honesty, etc... (So if you make a post about this, then please don't take offense if I DON'T reply, BUT IT IS TRULY BETTER FOR BOTH OF US)

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@BillRM,

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Yes reality have some connection to how nice or not nice people are who tend to allow the real universe to be their guide instead of childly fairy tales.

that's amazing, because I can say Just the same from my experiences...I have witnessed and seen Atheists, who could give a rat's ass about life (other than their own) Same with some False-believers...and like wise I can "BE HONEST" and "ADMIT" that "some Atheists genuinely Care" and I feel for the most part, I have been mostly Nice, and if nothing else inspirational about a God, (afterlife) if they in fact exist...

One quick question to you personally Bill, if you care about other humans and humanity, if people are doing Mostly Good, (regardless of their views or beliefs) why would it matter if "they" are indoctrunated with a God, Scripture, or not??? If they are in fact helping others, then they are doing Good deeds (whether a God exists, or not) and probably will be saved, if they choose to in the end (if they in fact see and realize a God is true, and actually wish to be with him) So what I am saying is Good people will be ALWAYS recognized as Good People, whether a God is real or not...So what is your point? And are you willing to be self Honest, and admit, that there are in fact "many" who actually show "good deeds" or 'acts of progressing humanity" but also believe in a God in which you call false??

AND as Far as a reality check!

"I can think of a few on here who are probably thinking to themselves" (although I personally have never seen these posts) that it is better to be wrong in a God, but actually still do "good actions toward others" then to "claim" to be "correct" in "Progressing Humanity" but NOT be able to accept, that beastiality, and Child Porn is WRONG!! So my advice Bill if these things are TRUE, (which, I have Never seen these posts, and will "give you the benefit of the doubt" and say that there not, but if they are) "Focus on yourself" BEFORE spewing out "rights and wrongs" to particular individuals, with which you agree or disagree....(just my 2 cents)

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Okay then. That was a round-about way of saying what I had hoped you would say.

I meant no offense and no disrespect, but in my experience some (not all) people who say things like "...I have NO PROBLEM telling someone what they do or doing is Good, or bad..." usually think that it's up to THEM to decide that.

But you are right in that it should be up to the individual's conscience to decide if that individual's actions are good or bad.

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@RexDraconis111,

But my conscience Also tells me, that we are ALL BLOODY SINNERS, and that is why Jesus Christ, is NOT A BAD THING AT ALL!!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

We are all indeed sinners, in some way, shape, or form.

And I never said Jesus was a bad thing.

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@RexDraconis111,

Nor Moises nor Budha or Mohamed...my problem comes when this guys go under and creative thinking starts rolling among the populace...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Also tells me, that we are ALL BLOODY SINNERS, and that is why Jesus Christ, is NOT A BAD THING AT ALL!!

A god that drown 99.99999999990000 percent of the human race is not a god that get to tell me about sin.

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@BillRM,

...is that divinely inspired statistics ? wow what a display of nano precision you have there !
...now seriously, if what you said does n´t make a fair argument to open these guy´s eyes I wonder what will...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

and that your "trying" to evade certain questions at hand, and have more self-honesty with yourself, I will Gladly respond to your posts....

What question(s) have I evaded exactly? You have actually avoided the main part of my previous post by making a mountain out of a mole hill. The main question of my post (although it was more meant to be rhetorical) was: If you do not know what is true, how can you have any wisdom about what is?

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Why would you "believe" that someone is either less or more correct because their posts have gramatical errors in them?? If you can "understand" the OVERALL jive of what is being said, and you can interpret it enough to make sense to "point out" where you disagree...then for a FACT, whether your willing to accept this or not, (or based on your view of self-honesty) "it"(gramatical errors) "really" isn't as important as your making them seem...

I agree with all but one thing, that it is as important as I'm making it seem, just not completely blown out of proportion like you're making it seem. Having the amount of grammatical errors that you have show that you are either don't care, or don't know better. So you either don't care about what you're talking about and thus have no real pride in your beliefs, or you're merely unintelligent. Either way you spin this, your excessive grammatical errors can lead people to believing that your opinions/belief's are less credible. Now, as I stated before, a few grammatical errors every now and then are fine, we're all human so it's acceptable. I know I make mistakes every now and again just like everyone else. If you would like to point them out I wouldn't have any objections seeing as how I don't really care much for grammatical errors. If you look at my original post on this, you'll see that I clearly stated that I'm not a "stickler" for grammer, meaning that I don't normally call people out on it because it's not a big issue for me.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

then "you" of higher understandings would understand that the time is "not even worth wasting" in explaining such things...and I view your initial post as just a personal attack, and nothing more.

I agree that it's not worth wasting the time to explain such things although you have now made this mountain out of a mole hill and I feel I must explain the intentions behind what I said. I didn't mean it as a personal attack for personal attacks only show ignorance and get people no where so there's really no point to them. The only reason I put a small blurb about it was to help you to keep that in mind. I have already explained the importance in which grammer can show so I won't go over that again.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Being around "other Atheists" and Doing actions "that by definition would be against a God" I was around 21 or 22 when I was Atheist, and found out rather quickly, in less than 3 yrs, it was wrong and indeed foolish for me to do and or be around "these people" who truly did not give a rat's ass about me nor my life...and when I was repenting, and praying to God, is when I "felt" "more love and acceptance" than ANY LIVING PERSON...especially the ones with which I followed and embraced, who did little to nothing to "show" they valued "other human Life" "other than their own" and I found out, that if Atheism is correct, I don't wish to be like ones who I know or have seen who follow these views, but rather of someone who accepts everyone, regardless, and likewise why I say, I have learned a lot from this website, "even from Atheists" for some seem to have or want the ability to "actually help Humanity" but to me, most are still WAY "too comsumed within their own selves, to actually start focusing on progressing humanity...which tells me that they have way to many problems to ever "try'' to help others apposed to "always watching themselves" which is valid, or they "feel" that whenever they speak " it is (in most cases) the correct word, and there is in fact no reasoning at all...which just tells me, that it is in fact MORE deception...plain and simple...

There's not really much I can say about the first part other than I'm sorry you had such a poor experience in the company of atheists. That, however, is what I find best about the philosophy of atheism. It constantly corrects itself and adapts to consistantly better itself and to become more moral and just...or at least it does in my definition of it. I'm merely an atheist who is looking to help progress humanity in the most efficient and moral way.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

And to you Chights: (I will give you a perfect example:) have you made posting errors in your time on this website?? (yes) would you be "upset" if "I" posted about "your errors" when I make a lot more than you do?? (probably, Yes) like I said, plain and simple!

Go for it if you wish, I know that I am bound to make mistakes. I don't imagine I make many spelling mistakes although I do know I have occasional problems with sentence structure (mainly run-on sentences). I wouldn't be upset if you informed me that I made grammatical errors. I think I would actually like it because as much as I like being right, I find being wrong so much more beneficial.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

if it were in fact about "progressing humanity" then these things would not matter nor have or hold importance as they do to so MANY atheists on here, but rather, that actually helping someone was actually being achieved...

This is actually the first time in which I have ever called someone on their grammer, and that includes the likes of people like BillRM. You should also know that everything holds importance, it's just a matter of how much. If you were to compare this to public speaking, grammatical errors are like you stuttering and mumbling over words.

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