Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@Chights47,

Well, then I guess what I am going to say is plain and simple. If you reply to all others in these threads about their posting mistakes (including Atheists) than maybe YOU would be able to see how it was viewed as a personal attack, toward me....

Second, it doesn't hold MUCH importance, at all! (because, I will give you an example: ) if we were talking in person, and you were NOT ABLE to see or hear my mistakes, and we have an in-depth conversation, than you would never pick up on the errors or even hold on to them...but yet we would be talking about the exact same things....If it offends you or makes you "feel" that my posts have less value, than either reply to every person on here who makes mistakes ( to NOT be a bad hypocrite), or I would make damn well sure Your posts are perfect from now on....So that again your not a hypocrite....

And just for the record, if you like people pointing out your flaws, than that's your views...(some people do not feel or like the same position(s))...I would hope you take that into account next time, you tell me my posts are less credible because of Grammar mistakes....when you can and have been able to understand what I am saying, in order to EXPLAIN how you disagree with what I am saying, So if I am in fact Ignorant, or unintelligent, than I guess everyone on here can be viewed as the same at times, and again, Would that be fair grounds to call someone like Yourself, or Bill, or ANY who make grammar mistakes, unintelligent, or ignorant Simply because there vocabulary is bad at times?? (I didn't think so) And if you agree, than I would say to you, if that "kind of ignorance" bothers you, than focus on perfecting your ignorance in terms of YOUR errors, BEFORE pointing fingers...then, once you realize, that grammatical errors, have or hold little to No value (considering, you and others can comprehend it enough to debate, and devalue my positions) than again, One way or another, either says your NOT SMART ENOUGH to skip over them, or two, you value "things I speak" and spend time, because, (the errors) are not (the) problem here but more important things are (which are my views)

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

And think about what I am in fact saying (because I can make an argument, if I wanted to nit-pick) that your being ignorant by NOT listening....

I am not flipping the conversation around, How many times are you going to "try" to kick me while I am down? You told me about my grammar, and I said yes, it is bad, and even said an I'm sorry to you and others if it offends you....that IS NOT BEING IGNORANT. If you were to tell me my grammar is bad, and I was in fact arguing with you that my grammar was in fact NOT BAD, and in my posts making grammatical errors in there, THAN THAT BY DEFINITION WOULD BE IGNORANCE!

And again if you 'feel" that others make grammatical errors in their posts, why am I the first with which you responded to?

Why have you NOT said ANYTHING to Bill about his grammar??

(I will tell you why in case you don't know or have to think about it)

It is because he is an Atheist, and you agree with certain things he speaks of, You felt "compelled" to say it to me, because you do not agree with my views...Which tells me, that your not about posting errors=ignorance, (for if you were you would do it to everyone who made mistakes, and likewise make your posts perfect...)And that the problem(s) you have with me personally, to even "pick a bone with" have NOTHING to do with grammar, but EVERYTHING to do with my views, and plausibility of "my views" Which tells me, that when you realize that Grammar errors= little to nothing in value, I WILL gladly discuss things with you again..

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

If you are not ignorant nor unintelligent, then you are either intentionally or unintentially being disrespectful. If you are neither ignorant nor unintelligent, then you merely don't care about your errors which reflects poorly on those whom you are in discussion with. The reason that I don't call anyone else out on it, is because I don't discuss back and forth with many people who have this issue. BillRM is horrible at times on this but I don't discuss with him so it's not my place. I'm not the grammar police here. Izzy and others have already accosted him on it so there's no reason for me to join in as well, especially since I don't discuss things with him like I have been with you.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Why have you NOT said ANYTHING to Bill about his grammar??

(I will tell you why in case you don't know or have to think about it)

It is because he is an Atheist, and you agree with certain things he speaks of, You felt "compelled" to say it to me, because you do not agree with my views...

The reason I haven't said anything to Bill is because I don't discuss things with him and because I don't discuss things with him, I don't correct him. I have been discussing different views with you for weeks and you seem to be giving no thought to grammer or to check your spelling so I wrote a few sentences so that you would be aware of it.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

And that the problem(s) you have with me personally, to even "pick a bone with" have NOTHING to do with grammar, but EVERYTHING to do with my views, and plausibility of "my views"

How could I personally have problems with you when I don't personally know you? As far as your views, I don't find them to be all that horrible. While I do admit that there are parts in which are flawed (just like everyone) I will admit that it seems to do more good than harm. Since that's the case, I don't really have much issue with it, but I do feel that more good can always be done, or can be altered to become more efficient.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

when you realize that Grammar errors= little to nothing in value, I WILL gladly discuss things with you again

While grammar is not as big of a deal as how you have been making it to be, it still holds (and will always hold) a certain level of importance in which should be observed. I will state again just to be clear, however, that a few mistakes every now and then are acceptable and no one should expect anyone to be perfect all of the time. I personally didn't want to get into all of this in the first place so I recommend that we change the topic to either something new, or continue from where we left off...if you would like to of course.

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@Chights47,

This thread went from religion to grammar, Whats up with that?

I can clearly understand what XXSpadeMasterXX is writing and if I have a problem with understanding what he is saying I can ask. He has more than enough logic to join words together to make coherent statements.

Why don't you two go back to talking religion and see if the logic continues?

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@Chights47,

Yes, I would respectfully, Like to do that...again I say, I am sorry, if you or anyone else, feels wronged or disrespected by my bad grammar...it is not meant that way...it is not that I am unintelligent, nor honestly that I am unaware of it or anything like that...I NEVER was good at vocabulary, and NEVER understood contexts of words, till I prayed to Christ to allow me to understand words...if it helps, I will pry right now, that Jesus, "helps" my vocabulary in the same manner he gave me understandings into context of words etc....

and just so you know, I don't have a spell checking program, and since this isn't an issue any longer, I will probably venture into looking for and downloading one, so that it doesn't offend people any more....So one way or another, it should not be an issue MUCH longer...

By the way, I do appreciate your views, and actions. As I have stated before, I DO see the reflection of light in you....and DO NOT wish to be enemies nor fight anymore....

(I made a post in the topic of voice of darkness, as to challenge of Jesus thread) and was specifically referring to you in general, when I said something along the lines of people who do good actions whether faith in you or not (voice) will have the oppertunity to be saved if they want it in the end...choice is ALWAYS up to the mortal!! Wink

I was going to reference your actions personally, but honestly, I did not know if you would be offended by that...to me, I personally have helped at food banks as well, and walk the streets picking up garbage, as well, as donate as MUCH as I can...I don't think you would in ANY way be ashamed of this, for it should be SHOWN EVEN MORE than it is....but honestly, I held my tongue, just in case...nevertheless, again when I made that post, you were the person, I was referring to, and where my mind was focused on...

whatever you would like to talk about....you start the next discussion with something that is on your mind...(in regards to Christianity) or not, I am all ears...

So Sorry, but BTW. The way you acted and handled the situation shows maturity, and appropriate accountability! I hope you feel that I am responding likewise back, have a great day (or night) Chights! Very Happy

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

BTW, if ANY of you are wondering why my name is SpadesMaster... I will explain it. There is a website called Pogo.com and I am (humbly saying) an extremely skilled player in the card game Spades...the reason why my name is SpadesMaster, is because back in the day, when I was a lot more childish, and young...I would boast about my skill(s) and I can't go back and change my screen name, and mostly all login websites I go to, I use this name...even though I don't think the way I used to...it's almost second nature to me to use this name...

on another note: I think you guys should watch the video called Dennis Leary's No Cure For Cancer....though I don't agree with a lot he says, or mostly the way he words things...it is one hell of a laugh, and I think many of you would enjoy it, whether your an American or not. In short I think you guys and girls, will understand, and find it funny....but WARNING, it has A LOT of vulgur and explicit words and saying in it...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I don't mean to continue on this, I just want to reiterate that I don't feel wronged of disrespected about it. I just meant to point it out so that you would be aware of it so that you could try to avoid such mistakes in the future. I also have noticed that you haven't been making as many errors, or not that I've noticed anyway. You probably wouldn't believe how easy going of a guy that I am and how little I honestly care about such things.

As far as your comment in reference to me on the other thread, it was very nice. You can also reference me any time you want on here and you really don't have to worry about offending me. I've always told my self that whatever someone says about me only tells me about who they are. I've always known who I am so anything someone else says is either constructive criticism or bullshit, so no worries but I thank you for the consideration.

I actually don't prefer to lead in discussion I more just go with the flow which is probably one of the main reasons the before argument got out of hand. Some topics that I would be interested in however, would be either the best argument either for or against either atheism or theism. We could also go into morality in regards to a god (specifically the christian god if you want). I also enjoy discussing about heaven and hell although we've already talked a little on that. We could also talk about why theists always have rationalizations for the parts in Christianity in which don't make any sense. I'm also a little sad that Ricky Garduno died. He was one of the brilliant storyboard artists for Family Guy. I don't know how we would discuss that though, unless we talk about family guy which references religion at times (the producer is an atheist).

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@Chights47,

[/quote]I would particularly like to talk about either one of these two topics...So list a question you have, if you don't mind...( I respect, that you like to jump in and not lead) but I can't answer or ask things I don't know that you don't understand, have a problem(s) with)...

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I also enjoy discussing about heaven and hell although we've already talked a little on that. We could also talk about why theists always have rationalizations for the parts in Christianity in which don't make any sense.

I am sad and sorry, that someone you cared about Died, it is not the easiest of things to deal with....But I personally do NOT care for family Guy...and think that Seth MacFarlane Is a Complete Asshole in My book...He slams anything and everything under the sun, with little to no regard for anyone he offends....Just for a cheap laugh at times....I predicted His show would start falling soon, just like south park did, with there extreme and outlandish remarks, and it has (if you noticed carefully). Family Guy, is NOT nearly as funny as it was when it came out, and he (Seth) "try's" harder and harder to get people to laugh at his remarks....(if you don't believe me) go back and watch a Show from season one of 2 in which you thought was rather hilarious at the time, and see how Unfunny it is, and you will see where I am coming from...

The Simpsons, never went down that path, and there shows are still funny, and entertaining to watch at the same time...meaning you won't lose interest in them....(and by the way, though I don't know this for sure. Some Shows depict it though) He is Not Christian, and some of his shows, Go against Christianity, Such as the one with John the Baptist holding his head, or how they make fun of Flanders, and the Church in their shows....also how he predicates a lot about Buddhism, and Taoism with Lisa on the show....

Much better in my eyes than some cynical asshole such as Seth MacFarlane...just my thoughts...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

or we can talk about these topics as well...

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Some topics that I would be interested in however, would be either the best argument either for or against either atheism or theism. We could also go into morality in regards to a god (specifically the christian god if you want).

Also in regards to your constructive criticism or bullshit reply...You forgot Admiration!!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I will start it up again...

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would be either the best argument either for or against either atheism or theism.

I would say the best argument for Atheism is Misunderstood, or Self-Awareness and the worst would be Denial

I would say the best for Christianity would be "faith" and the worst would be
people entangled, (meaning wolves in sheep's clothing) or false ones....

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We could also go into morality in regards to a god (specifically the christian god if you want).

My personal Morality goes very deep, but to sum it up to visualize. The acceptance of Faith in Christ is the beginning to the beginnings...and once you do this, you ought to do as much as possible with this acceptance of faith, always in your peripheral vision, or in the back of your mind...

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I also enjoy discussing about heaven and hell although we've already talked a little on that.

I will tell you ALL about my visions and experiences in Heaven and Hell if you would like...Although I have had MANY more IN HELL than Heaven....and I can tell you why, if your interested in knowing...the Hell part is to purge for my sins, and even sometimes go there as a Marytr, and help release ones who WON'T stand up to Satan to be released....The Heaven, not so much for if I truly saw it, and experienced it, then I would NEVER want to leave...So in other words I would have to die....

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We could also talk about why theists always have rationalizations for the parts in Christianity in which don't make any sense.

Please give me a few examples of what rationalizations your talking about??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Well if that's the case, lets talk about the rationalizations then. I notice a lot of times that there are a great deal of things told and commanded in the bible that people don't agree with , yet make rationalizations into not following them. For example, in the bible it says that we basically have this one life to decide where we will end up for all eternity and that decision is solely on belief in a particular deity. I have stated this and in response you have offered numerous hypothetical situations (such as reincarnation) to explain this irrationality.

Just so you know, a little back story on family guy (if you didn't know). Family Guy has actually been the only show (to my knowledge) to be cancelled twice but be restarted based on DVD sales alone. Not only that, but it's one of the highest rated shows on Adult Swim (among other stations as well) and industry analyst Marc Berman of Mediaweek said. "I don't think people expected it to be this highly rated. It's going to be like The Simpsons…it will last forever." I think the reason that some people don't like the show is because Seth MacFarlane he can be very outspoken on touchy matters and is very direct with them.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

I would say the best argument for Atheism is Misunderstood, or Self-Awareness and the worst would be Denial

I would say the best for Christianity would be "faith" and the worst would be
people entangled, (meaning wolves in sheep's clothing) or false ones...

Could you please explain the arguments for atheism, I'm afraid I don't understand with it's current context. My personal answers would be that the best argument for atheism would be the god of the gaps argument, and the best for theism would probably be (no offense) ignorance. The more I learn about the world and of science, the more solidified that I am in my atheism. Looking back, I've always been an atheist, but it wasn't until I really started to look for the truth before I actually took on the title.

As far as with morality however, do you feel that your god is the foundation for it and that there is no morality without him? I'm not saying that those that don't believe him are immoral, just the lessons of morality and the true right from wrong come from Him/Her/It. I've known many theists who believe that God is the foundation and without him there is no moral and immoral.

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@Chights47,

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Well if that's the case, lets talk about the rationalizations then. I notice a lot of times that there are a great deal of things told and commanded in the bible that people don't agree with , yet make rationalizations into not following them. For example, in the bible it says that we basically have this one life to decide where we will end up for all eternity and that decision is solely on belief in a particular deity. I have stated this and in response you have offered numerous hypothetical situations (such as reincarnation) to explain this irrationality.

Because to me, the operative word there is one life. What in fact constitutes one life? The Bible does not mention reincarnation. But that does not mean it can't exist or is not possible...I think the thing to keep in mind is that, the object is for man to be counted as saved (if they in fact want this) So the best way I can sum it up, Is that there are probably a lot of different ways that God, will give you a chance to accept him, and be counted (again if you wish) the big thing is the one life part, and from my "understandings" there is a lot more that goes into one life, than people literally take it. For instance, If you live one life, and die. I don't believe that is the end, and your either in or out based on that alone. (though I do believe "many" find God that way) If the ultimate goal is to be "saved" and one has not done good things in order to be granted in...then I would like to believe that God would Allow them in based on some type of action they would in fact have to do...Such as Accepting Him when your risen, such as being purged, or sent to purgatory (if it exists) or possible reincarnation(s)...The Bible makes no mention of this, but I do in fact see that such a thing does in fact exist...(but I could very well be wrong about that) but honestly, I would like to believe that if such a thing exists, it probably would not be the first choice of people, and second it is "another chance" for people to accept God...Remember the goal in the end is to be saved....(approach it from that view) I feel that all these other options apply to those who did not do sufficant actions to be granted in the first time, but at the same token, I don't believe that God is SO VENGEFUL, that your going straight to Hell either...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Well if the ultimate objective is to be saved and go to heaven and we potentially have numerous chances, then why would there be a hell in first place? Hell is depicted as a place of eternal torment and since it's there, that means that there has to been an end to our chances. So basically people are going to be and will be punished horrible for infinite for a finite crime. It also clearly states in the bible that good acats don't get you into heaven, only faith does. If your god (or any good with a hell) exists, I doubt it would be because of vengence. The god of the bible is a very jealous and vain god so it would most likely be caused by that.

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@Chights47,

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Could you please explain the arguments for atheism, I'm afraid I don't understand with it's current context. My personal answers would be that the best argument for atheism would be the god of the gaps argument, and the best for theism would probably be (no offense) ignorance. The more I learn about the world and of science, the more solidified that I am in my atheism. Looking back, I've always been an atheist, but it wasn't until I really started to look for the truth before I actually took on the title.

Maybe I did not understand what you were in fact asking...The best things I could take from being Atheist, is the fact that (to me they have the Benefit of the doubt, and are Mostly misunderstood) (such examples exist, with my past friends, compared to ones on here (like yourself) who actually do "reflections of light" and the Bad I take from it, is Denial, for I see a lot of Atheists who will argue till their death, that no such thing as sin exists...with which you can call it what you would like....But I am sure Most honest and self aware people will admit that they make mistakes in their lives that they regret....and do bad or negative actions in conjunction with a consciousness...

The Good I take from Christianity, Is the acceptance of "faith" itself. And the Bad, is people who claim they follow and Obey God, But are doing and or practicing evil or hate, to the point where there not saved, least not right now, and are leading people astray....

(If I still did not answer your question, than I apologize. I truly Don't understand the question, and please simplify it for me)

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As far as with morality however, do you feel that your god is the foundation for it and that there is no morality without him? I'm not saying that those that don't believe him are immoral, just the lessons of morality and the true right from wrong come from Him/Her/It. I've known many theists who believe that God is the foundation and without him there is no moral and immoral.

I believe that there is Morality from God, and he is responsible for it. But at the same time, he gives us enough freedom and piece, so that if we choose to be against him to "try" to create our own "Morality" then we have the freedom to do this...but in the end, it will be revealed how little, insigniffigant, and unimportant our self-choices were (when we chose to go astray) rather than excepting his vision of morality, or codes of conduct in conjunction to him...

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@Chights47,

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Well if the ultimate objective is to be saved and go to heaven and we potentially have numerous chances, then why would there be a hell in first place? Hell is depicted as a place of eternal torment and since it's there, that means that there has to been an end to our chances. So basically people are going to be and will be punished horrible for infinite for a finite crime. It also clearly states in the bible that good acats don't get you into heaven, only faith does. If your god (or any good with a hell) exists, I doubt it would be because of vengence. The god of the bible is a very jealous and vain god so it would most likely be caused by that.

According to the Old Testament, Maybe so. He was very Jealous and I would not say Vain, but either in or out, no way around it....But in terms Of What Christ did, he is not at all Jealous or Vain...in fact quite the opposite, and it was to save not condemn...I do believe there is ultimately an end to our chances if someone wishes to take it that far, but like I said, I feel that there will be almost infinate chances to make it into Heaven before that point is reached...

read up on the story of St. Catherine of Siena. Read the story about her brother, who after knowing God was the ONLY way still refused to accept Christ, and WANTED to go to Hell. and after that Christ came to St. Catherine and said After numerous attempts Your brother truly feels this way, and I am not obligated to "try" to save him anymore...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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It also clearly states in the bible that good acats don't get you into heaven, only faith does.

Your in fact correct, and I don't wish to be viewed as a soothsaying...but in my "understandings" (which according to the Bible A Prophet knows and understands ALL the mysteries of God) I feel from God, that Not good actions themselves lead you into Heaven, but that the "reflections of light" by actions enhances your chances of salvation. Because if your doing mostly good things, then when the time comes to your chances to accept Jesus Christ, than I feel people will have the wisdom and understandings to THEN embrace God and make it in...So yes actions help, but it is like the Bible stats You ALWAYS NEED FAITH IN ORDER TO MAKE IT INTO HEAVEN....

I will give you an example: I personally Know an Islamic Male, Now according to their scripture, they believe that their scripture is from the same divinely inspired texts as the Torah, and Christian Bible...(the Quran) Now I personally Don't agree with that, for many reasons personally (which I will explain if you would like me too) but in the Quran it says that the Torah and Bible have mistakes, and where there wrong the Quran is correct and right...O.K. now these reasons I have tell me it is NOT of the same divinely inspired person as The Torah and Bible, but its a perverted version of Christianity...Now this man I know is a "good reflection of light" by his actions, and when I contact God and ask God about this man, God tells me that he is following a false doctrine that is Supposivly from me the most high, which it is not, but at the same token. those "reflections of light" you see, have much meaning to them...For everything happens for a reason. He does not accept me fully right now as he should with conjunction to Christ, but at the same time, All is not lost, and that is not the end for him! he has much wisdom in his life, and I "perceive" that the wisdom, will in fact be used in accordance to his resurecction in the afterlife, and "I feel" there is a "good sporting chance" than when he sees Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven, he will in fact have and use the wisdom to accept and embrace Jesus Christ, and be saved....So in a sense, there is much more than meets the eye, but yes in the end, It is Faith that allows you to permit or not permit, and again choice will ALWAYS religh on the Mortal being....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

So to simplify, it is not really a question in God's eyes whether or not you embrace his texts, as to whether or not you know and accept God (although I do believe it is a good Idea for theists as well as Atheists to read the Bible) but rather, once ALL is revealed, the way you act, and handle Jesus Christ, is the way your judged, and determed whether or not your "faithful to Christ" by "faith" or not....and the choice will be all of ours...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

So to simplify, it is not really a question in God's eyes whether or not you embrace his texts, as to whether or not you know and accept God (although I do believe it is a good Idea for theists as well as Atheists to read the Bible) but rather, once ALL is revealed, the way you act, and handle Jesus Christ, is the way your judged, and determed whether or not your "faithful to Christ" by "faith" or not....and the choice will be all of ours...

the thing is though , as an Atheist , I don't care really how god judges me at all

because god judges based on our attitude towards god

I would actually perfer that god , jesus christ , didn't actually come to this planet at all

Humanity would be better off

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@north,

Are you blaming Jesus for what we have done from his life...poor Jesus...would you blame Joan D´arc for being a Squitzo ?

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