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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 2 Dec, 2011 04:21 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I fairly know what I should and should not do, I use common sense, and if I am not sure or have any sort of doubts I don´t do anything...of course there are those who are not that careful so what ?
I suppose you believe with religion is different n it ? sure it is...and let me guess you religion is the true one right ? praise the lord !
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 2 Dec, 2011 04:49 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Quote:
I fairly know what I should and should not do, I use common sense, and if I am not sure or have any sort of doubts I don´t do anything...of course there are those who are not that careful so what ?
I suppose you believe with religion is different n it ? sure it is...and let me guess you religion is the true one right ? praise the lord !

And I suppose, that you "feel" the "MAJOR downfall of Humanity" is religion right??

well, let me "prove" that's Bullshit!

First, if we ALL embraced a God and Practiced it "faithfully" then we would be in an Eutopian society right now! ([b]REGARDLESS IF THE RELIGION WAS RIGHT OR WRONG!![/b]) If we ALL used "our own interpretations" (in conjunction with free will) then we for a FACT would go farther and farther from one another, with NO GUIDANCE EVER! which "proves" (to me personally) "if we as humanity" took all of our own ideals and morals as to the "correct ones" for humanity, then we would NEVER have the plausibility for Eutopia EVER!![/u]

P.S. and forget your 5-10% of the world that you depicted in your youtube videos who show wickedness in the name of God...There are FAR MORE who have "faith" in God, and do Good actions for humanity, than the way some of you view religion, or Christianity on here (look at the 5-10% and say to yourselves, RELIGION IS THE DOWNFALL OF HUMANITY!) 5-10% is not the "conclusions" of the actions of 100% of a religion as a whole, last time I checked my math... what about the other 90-95% who do "mostly Good or Holy" in his name??? (to me, WITHOUT them, we would have fallen altogether ALREADY!!)
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 2 Dec, 2011 05:33 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I think I told you before that the problem is not Religion, Religion is the symptom of the problem, which is the level of stupidity people, religious and not religious display everyday, be it in wishful thinking as the sheer incapacity to deal with reality altogether...the same goes for football and other kinds of collective paranoia...you and your "friends" are incapable of understanding the most basic facts of life regarding the workings of this world, like the reason why Utopia's are unchallenging, boring and would never work in the first place, or the reason why places like heaven or hell are not potential universes at all because they linearly lack a dynamic of change in the very "engine of its concept"...as I said you don´t have a clue on the world you live in, and because such is a sad fact, you and millions like you, recur to wonder, to the symbolic and to the fantastic in order to be able to make some sort of heads or tails out of it...
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 2 Dec, 2011 05:53 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I have to say, I agree with Izzy...you do seem to make posts after posts about science and scientists....if you will list their points, I will GLADLY give "my opinions"...


I am not looking for you to agree with me nor anyone else. I am only asking you to point out to where the scientists are wrong.

I do know that it is not easy to admit when I am wrong at times but it is how I advance.

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it has already been pointed out by one of your fellow Atheist brothers, that science, and scientists are getting FARTHER and FARTHER from correct, or the "truth"


Please try to be as intellectually honest as possible or do not expect me to give you much more of my attention other than for psychological studies.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Dec, 2011 03:53 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Please try to be as intellectually honest as possible or do not expect me to give you much more of my attention other than for psychological studies.

The words pot, kettle and black spring to mind.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 3 Dec, 2011 04:24 am
@izzythepush,
...are you both in some sort of love/hate date all over the forum ? Can´t you simply ignore each other ?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Dec, 2011 04:25 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
I could do, but where's the fun in that?
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Dec, 2011 04:32 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
It seems to work for me as I quit replying to him a couple of days ago. Idea
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Dec, 2011 05:57 am
@reasoning logic,
You've stopped following me as well, I can't tell you how deeply ambivalent that makes me feel.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 02:07 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
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or the reason why places like heaven or hell are not potential universes at all because they linearly lack a dynamic of change in the very "engine of its concept"

And you know this how??
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north
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 03:01 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

I think I told you before that the problem is not Religion, Religion is the symptom of the problem, which is the level of stupidity people, religious and not religious display everyday, be it in wishful thinking as the sheer incapacity to deal with reality altogether...


Quote:
the same goes for football and other kinds of collective paranoia...


Fil

I have to ask , what the heck to mean by this statement ?

Quote:
you and your "friends" are incapable of understanding the most basic facts of life regarding the workings of this world, like the reason why Utopia's are unchallenging, boring and would never work in the first place, or the reason why places like heaven or hell are not potential universes at all because they linearly lack a dynamic of change in the very "engine of its concept"...as I said you don´t have a clue on the world you live in, and because such is a sad fact, you and millions like you, recur to wonder, to the symbolic and to the fantastic in order to be able to make some sort of heads or tails out of it...


I agree Fil

Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 03:19 am
@north,
I meant that people are convinced that if they ban religion the problem is solved as if religion was to be faulted on itself but religion like many other things merely express human condition, thus if you take it out the problem is transferred elsewhere and I rather deal with an old problem then with a new one...the same happens when people say the fault was from the money fever for instance that the evil money got on their minds, its childish really, there are other forms of expressing the need for blind belief which are not religious at all, if scientists had a bit more of culture they would have understood that by now, but what they have in excess in calculus and focus, they lack in general knowledge and peripheral vision...I am sorry to say but American culture is specially prone to that kind of black and white assessment on rather complex problems and then they call it pragmatism when its more like we want an answer for yesterday because we are paranoid with what we don´t know and can´t sleep at night with unknown variables under the pillow, we all here in Europe know the deal quite well...
north
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 03:37 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

I meant that people are convinced that if they ban religion the problem is solved as if religion was to be faulted on itself but religion like many other things merely express human condition, thus if you take it out the problem is transferred elsewhere and I rather deal with an old problem then with a new one...the same happens when people say the fault was from the money fever for instance that the evil money got on their minds, its childish really, there are other forms of expressing the need for blind belief which are not religious at all, if scientists had a bit more of culture they would have understand that by now, but what they have in excess in calculus and focus, they lack in general knowledge and peripheral vision...


I think I see what you mean
so the Human condition is to believe in something , anything
other than themselves
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 03:45 am
@north,
There are 2 or 3 main reasons for that which are very powerful and compelling, be it the inherited pre historical instinct of survival in which the sound of leaves in the trees represent a lion which you did not see but already BELIEVE its there and make you run earlier , up to the freeing sense of joy and wonder we have with magical simple explanations that do not require us to move from our cultural comfort zone...such difficulty´s wont be solved alone by banning religion, it is in fact extremely naive to believe so...it frightens the hell out of me that leading citizens scientists and politicians can actually have such a simplified view on this regard...
north
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 03:52 am

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...I am sorry to say but American culture is specially prone to that kind of black and white assessment on rather complex problems and then they call it pragmatism when its more like we want an answer for yesterday because we are paranoid with what we don´t know and can´t sleep at night with unknown variables under the pillow, we all here in Europe know the deal quite well...


Fil

American's are on the whole , are a simple populus
they voted in bush for goodness sake , and look at the republicans nomines , I mean please , would any of them wash in Europe ?

ahh.......NO

Americans have power , money

Obama is a bright guy , but to me he lacks strengh

and for the most part , US , doesn't understand him

I'm Canadian by the way , someone looking in
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 03:55 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
So then what "actions" do YOU think would be in the best "interest" of "Humanity"??
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 03:57 am
@north,
I have a contradictory relation with Americans, I often find them sweet but dangerous, still I rather have Americans on my backyard instead of Chinese...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 03:59 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
...a moderate position...slowly bring education towards religion without assaulting peoples believes all in a row...humanity is far from prepared for that right now...they still need the idea of a God to protect them...we, the elite, must endure the people as we always did, without pushing them to the edge...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 04:00 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Americans don't have pandas.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57112000/jpg/_57112154_jex_1253691_de27-1.jpg
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2011 04:06 am
@izzythepush,
...but they have clubs, Saturday nights, and vacations !... Wink
 

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