Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

Under the cosh eh rl? Most atheists are. It's logical.

I think that we all fail when it comes to understanding reality.
Understanding the brain is beyond my comprehension but yet I still try.
I have come to the conclusion that we are all so different even though we may fall into different groups of psychology, "as long as you are not hurting yourself or others I think you are normal.
I see people who have theistic psychosis in the same light as I see gay people, "If they are not causing harm to others I think they are completely normal. Welllll! that does not mean that they do not have problems like the rest of us.

I have learned a lot but nothing as of yet that can be recorded as a new understanding to mankind.

I've been trying to understand womankind for as long as I've had long pants and I'm no nearer now that when I started.

I wouldn't wear shorts in public though as it signifies having thrown the towel in.

Mankind is a piece of piss.

Welcome to my club

You cant be serious are you?
If you are I wonder if your ancestors had the same thoughts about pants.

I'm not sure that Spendy was born in ~~ the in the normal sense. : -- )

I was hatched by the heat of the sun.

With your studying, what kinds of problems do you think everyone stumbles with, that lead us to failing to understand reality? With your studying, do you think it should be "normal" to not understand reality? Do you think it is possible for humans to fully understand reality?

Getting the leg over, making money, supplies of beer--you know Spade--the obvious. You intellectuals eh?

Getting on TV latterly.

For example--a youngish lady appeared on our TV tonight who had taken out a second mortgage in order to offer a reward for her lost dog. £10 grand.

No evidence was offered that she ever had a dog or that she had taken out a mortgage.

Hi Spade, Sorry I haven't answered many of your posts on my 'topic' page but it can be difficult to discuss when slightly OT. If you have any questions about the similarity with your experience and mine then ask here in you ‘topic’ and I'll answer if I can; or OP me. If your posts are about the subject of 'self' and dualism then I'll answer them on my 'topic' page... thanks for your posts and questions.

Also, do you like to be called 'Spade' I would have thought that 'SpadeMaster' could mean 'trying to master the devil' so in that case 'Spade' would refer to the 'devil' and I'm sure you wouldn't find that nickname comfortable... so what would you like to be called 'for short'?

I get all of what Fresco said...but this is the thing I do not understand...I do not understand a wordless experience? I remember another Buddhist saying that his views of rebirth, were like having a moment where he just had loss of concentration, or zoning out...Then when he came too, that is the process of rebirth...Do you agree with this?

And the part about a wordless experience...When I have prayed, and reached a very, very, highly spiritual ecstatic state of mind or experience...It was not wordless for me...Rather, I got to the point where I could feel God basically shut the door, and say that is far enough, you can not handle anymore in this life...because I was just thinking on so much of a higher consciousness that I could feel that if I wanted to see anymore, I would have to be with God in Heaven...And when these experiences happen, there is nothing wordless about it...Rather I could use every single word, description, experience, metaphor, simile, perception, explanations, contexts etc...that I possibly knew to sum up those few seconds where I had felt those experiences...And it hits me like a stone when God closes that door...And I can rationalize, conjure, explain, understand, accept everything that was said, done, explained, felt, seen, experienced, seen through visions...etc... in a matter of milliseconds...and everything I seek is explained to me...

I know it is wordless, but I just do not understand that...Is there anything you could say about this experience at all? as in a way to articulate what it feels like before you reach this wordless point?


Why does SpadeMaster mean trying to master the Devil? Why does Spade mean Devil? Could it mean master of the Devil?

Call me a master of the Devil...Or Master of Spades...Or MOS...

Does what I experience sound the same as a W.E. in Buddhism? Or is it completely different? A wordless experience sounds the same thing, but rather you can experience everything, and it can not be summed into words...The way I view my experiences, is that it is so strong of a revelation there is nothing that I did not understand about it, or anything I had asked God to explain, or have him show me, or what he showed me...etc...All in hours of seeking deeper and deeper...And him revealing all the answers and revelations in a matter of milliseconds...And I could use every single solitary thing I ever knew, saw or learned to explain everything I felt, seen or had a revelation of...or about...in mere milliseconds...

MOS, I’d say it was a blissful experience mainly felt in the middle of the body, not quite where the heart is. It doesn’t distract one from continuing with life. It is more noticeable during meditation but during post-meditation it is still there because it is unconditioned.


MOS, Are you sure it not wordless and then all your words in the form of the ‘inner dialogue’ arise ‘post’ this wordless experience?

I am not sure...but I think I have an idea...I was hoping you would explain as much as you could before a wordless experience happens to you? So I could understand as much as I could about how you would explain your experiences?

The thing to remember Spade is that these "wordless" and "blissful" experiences can be asserted to have taken place in order to differentiate, in an invidious way, the party of the first part from the lower parts of human existence and that, should it be necessary to act the proper part, as evidence, it requires no great skill beyond manipulations of the eyeballs, rocking to and fro slightly and humming like a walled garden full of bees gathering nectar from the privileged flowers on a summer's afternoon.

It's usual performance does require a small army of subsidiary workers to support it.

I do not have to do any of that to reach these ecstatic states...All I have to do is contemplate God's existence, and anything I wish to ask...For hours on end...And when I contemplate so long and so deep that I can not perceive any further than I have or am physically able too...I have no desire to go any further anyways....And all my questions are answered...I have no reason to perpetrate a false ecstatic state of mind...because if I did, I would not contemplate for hours for a few unspeakable seconds...

Think I got it igm...

Do not know how one would experience this feeling without God being the focal point though...

I think that the idea of contemplating God's existence is nonsensical. I think you are contemplating yourself and presenting yourself to us as a superior mode of being for the asserted ability to do so.

God is an abstract symbol of the Christian social and political organisation and you might do better contemplating that. Contemplating the abstract symbol enables you to arrive at any conclusion you wish.

Try restoring the utilities for hours on end to those deprived of it by the snow. That's what others are doing with their time.

Who said that I do not do those things? (Help others with the snow) I am sorry, but just because you think that contemplating the existence of God is nonsensical does not mean that it is...Perhaps I was not clear, there are many different things I think about and pry about and ask for revelations in these hours...And since I have divine revelations about them, I am going to continue...If it was just me contemplating my own existence, it would mean I have the ability to have divine revelations about things that I do not even know or understand...So Either way, there would be a divine being present at these times...But I reject it is myself, but God...

You are the one who said I act superior by these actions, I have not, nor will ever make such a claim...In fact, I think every living person has this ability....

I seen this this morning but was not here...Pope Benedict XVI steps down...And views?