Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

So you are saying that you think his whole essay was a chance for him to "come clean" about how he had done the "success myth" or the cardinal equivalent sin of pride...Because he thought he could self remedy himself? But then realized it could only be done through the church?

Interesting....I can see how that makes sense....

What do you think he meant by your words of "The whole point of Jesus was the devastating failure"?

Are you saying that you "think" he found it easy to fall to that cardinal equivalent sin of "pride" because it is very easy to be too self reliant on Jesus?, opposed to doing the actions by oneself?

My question would be, (and again I keep coming to circles with you on this) What is the actual church to you or him (if he feels that way) If there is no such foundation of Jesus Christ that gives the church the solid foundation it has to actually help anyone?

In other words, if that is what you are saying...I agree with everything you have said till the Jesus claim...Because I simply can not understand why if a person must admit that they are powerless at some point to come face to face with their one encumbrance...Or one entangling sin...that they simply can not defeat...that everyone has...How does a church, or anything that is spiritually operating, or said to be functioning by the very power of a divine being itself, doing, or helping anyone at all? If it is not this God, and total submission to this God, that is the one main focal reason as to why these main entangling problems or sins can ever be fully rationalized as sins?, And ever conquered by any living soul? If it is not though the divine power or authority that is the centralistic reason why these sins are ever conquered with accordance to our very own full and utter submission by free will? With conjunction to the fact we absolutely need him to defeat these problems?, and use him for the realization/rationalization that this God is the sole divine reason why this information he delivers in divine ways to every single person, Is because of him, and our own free will and obedience? So that every living person can rationalize that it is this God who controls everything? And how could a "church" have any such effect, if the main focus is not God, the centralistic reason that we would even embrace it?

In other words again, why would the Catholic church be any different than anything else, if this God was no different than anything else, or was and is not real?

And if this person is saying the whole point of Jesus was "the devastating failure"

Does that not sound like they are giving up their faith and blaming God?

What would yours, (or theirs, if they feel that way) be?

I can't say that I agree that I "think" as a Christian they feel the same ways as you interpret their message on that point...And I would find it very hard to believe they are saying that faith in Jesus was why they failed, unless they really are not a Christian, but are an atheist or something else....But then, I can't really say that I agree they came clean about anything then...Because if your utter total submission is not to a savior, then it is just empty words, anyway I see that someone tries to break that interpretation down....And the main reason, why I can't see embracing any other theology, even if they have rays of light...to/in them...

So you don't say hello anymore on First Word there Spades, pfttttttttttttttt

Those are my words Spade.

I can't say I followed your train of thought.

The Church is a stabilisation operation. Where it declines stabilty is sacrificed in proportion to the decline unless an alternative is available. A one party state for example. The problem with a secular one party state is that legislation on the sexual question applies to the legislators unless they withdraw behind secure walls. No rules on the sexual question is probably unworkable. And pretty uninteresting I should think.

Which is not to say that instability is a bad thing. It can have beneficial effects. The problem with beneficial effects is whether they can stay the course in the long term. If not, and the Church was disbanded in the mean time on the back of the joyous rapture of the beneficial effects, there is only the one party state to turn to. Or anarchy.

Atheists seem to have no sense of historical process.

I am sorry sweetheart....It is nothing personal...I wasn't really posting for weeks...Just reading...And thinking about what others were saying...to better understand everyone I see on here...

I will be back...(to your thread) I have asked you before but what is "pfffffft"?

How would you articulate your positions? Please be as specific as you can be...If you are interested...I would like to hear you actually explain your position? I have heard, and remember you showing me a link of "sophistry" but I would actually like to hear your own explanation...if you are interested in explaining it to me mate?...So I know exactly how you would think of yourself...Or view yourself?

You seem to have an interest in sophistry Why?

See my profile.

I just want to hear exactly how Spendius would explain his side of things...I already know what I think about it....And why...I am much more interested in why someone would...

I already have read it...Care to go any deeper?

OK so you view yourself as a microbe rather than a fallen angle of God. Do you think that you could get reality wrong? If you do not, do you consider yourself to possibly have the right stuff?

http://www.ocdonline.com/articlephillipson6.php

I have to confess that I have never thought of myself as a fallen angle of God.

That does not surprise me because I see you as thinking that you are a risen microbe.

In answer to the original question, since I'm new around here........or to this thread. I'd ask him to take a few Thorazine and check back with me in a few weeks.

Welcome!

How have you been mate?

To be honest with you I feel like one of the seven dwarfs, I owe, I owe. "off the work I go. I have always paid less than 10,000 cash for all my vehicles but now I think my hormones got the best of me. I just bought my wife a top of the line Jeep grand Cherokee.
I owe, I owe
"it is off the work I go.LOL

LoL...Don't feel bad mate...I am sure many would kill to have that problem...

I would not kill but I hope that the payments are a little easier than what they seem to be. I have not financed a vehicle in more than twenty years.

I am glad that I do not have a mortgage but still it is a set back from what I am use too.

thank you

You are welcome...