The question should reed, one person's personal belief about God, and not another.
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Pose your own questions. You're not Jesus. You're a very sick man.
I feel OK.
When you speak of the God of Christianity for example, there is no God of Christianity, there is only Christianity's belief about God. God was the God of Israel, as the result of the promise he made to Abraham, and the covenant he made with Israel.
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Sat 26 Nov, 2011 04:06 pm
@voiceindarkness,
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Science denies a God they know nothing about.
Science has a very hard time address things it can not detect. Gods, aliens, flying dragons from outer-space and the list is growing daily.
Science and history can answer many questions but it does not matter when it comes to people who think they were abducted by an alien or spiritual being.
Some people are not able to use information like that.
My last two post here where ignored, so I didn't feel very welcome.
My bad, I noticed the post I was referring to was on a different thread, again, my apologies.
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Sat 26 Nov, 2011 04:38 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
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Science denies a God they know nothing about.
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Science has a very hard time address things it can not detect. Gods, aliens, flying dragons from outer-space and the list is growing daily.
God is not a part of the creation, he is not made of the stuff our reality is made of. Our reality is made of the stuff God created.Before the creation, there was no stuff, there was just God.
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Science and history can answer many questions but it does not matter when it comes to people who think they were abducted by an alien or spiritual being.
Some people are not able to use information like that.
Whose talking about being abducted by an alien or spiritual being?
History can answer many questions. If you study the history of Israel, and the words of the prophets, history can answer many questions about God, even though you can't probe him with science.
God is not a part of the creation, he is not made of the stuff our reality is made of.
Neither are aliens nor flying dragons from outer-space and the list is growing daily.
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Our reality is made of the stuff God created.Before the creation, there was no stuff, there was just God.
Who told you this story? How do you know that some one did not create our god or that something very unexplainable is happening and has been happening for a very long time?
Do you know how many different creation stories are out there that people are willing to put their life on the line for?
What is wrong with calling the things that we do not understand what they are? "Things that we don not understand with certainty!
Did you give this preacher a few minutes of your time? If so what did you think?
"We have the infallible pope, we have the inerrant bible...
The idea that the truth of God can be bound in any human system, by any human creed, by any human book, is almost beyond imagination for me."
That's a quote from bishop John Spong. I've watched a few more vids where he shares his views, and I have to say that it is refreshing to listen to a man who can preserve the integrity of his faith without insulting his own intelligence. I, for one, value his wisdom.
I was amazed when I found him myself, I could not believe that a religious person could sound so reasonable.
I do have to admit that I do not believe in life after death but I can see an argument there and some times it is best to just appreciate someone for all the other knowledge that they hold.
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Sat 26 Nov, 2011 10:50 pm
@Cyracuz,
...I love it when you guys are reasonable...that´s the attitude we cultivate here in Europe towards religious groups...but then we don´t have the American Baptist problem in hands...I guess is easy to speak when problems are far and dim...
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Sun 27 Nov, 2011 06:04 am
@Chights47,
Thank you for sharing it was long but very informative like you said. It is hard at times to make educational videos easy viewing.
I do recommend this video to anyone looking to expand their knowledge about the history of religion.
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 02:07 am
@BillRM,
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Being bad people and not accepting a god or gods is one thing doing evil in the name of a god is another thing
Being bad in terms of what Christianity calls "sins", then Yes I agree!, but in terms of "Acts of Hate"??How is that different to you? bad IS bad to me, Yes, from my understandings of "faith and God" it would be horrible indeed to do hate in his name...but how is that different, than denouncing God, and THEN doing hateful acts?? (if A god exists, it's the same thing only reverse.) the main point is that the hate should never be accepted whether you have "faith" in a God or not, WAS my point...So I disagree, that a HATEFUL person who denounces God is not JUST as BAD as someone doing hate in a "God's" name...they are the same thing to me! Hate is Hate, and it's easy to see they don't care about humanity, nor ANY God that may or may not exist! And most times, though they may or may not know it, not EVEN themselves!
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with special note of Christians who not only had a long history of their main faiths doing evil but to this day they, for the most part. just stand by and do nothing to stop the evil being done in the name of their god.
Maybe there is, But there are in fact "many" who DO rebuke Evildoers... I am for one am not like the first, but the second, and have NO PROBLEM rebuking people, whether believers or not, If they are in fact doing EVIL! or Hate!...What do you suppose they do? Would YOU give your life for another, maybe EVEN a believer? So why then would it be different for a believer? Also, my side note, there are plenty, who DO SACRIFICE their lives, even for Unjust, in God's eyes...
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 03:20 am
@reasoning logic,
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You have made some very good points. XXSpadeMasterXX just needs to return back to how he came into this world from birth as an Atheist.
Being bad people and not accepting a god or gods is one thing doing evil in the name of a god is another thing with special note of Christians who not only had a long history of their main faiths doing evil but to this day they, for the most part. just stand by and do nothing to stop the evil being done in the name of their god.
And there are "JUST AS MANY" who are Atheist, or Agnostic. Who are for "progressing humanity" who will do nothing or say nor stop evil or hateful acts. Even if they "say'' they do or do not Know they are evil they're seeing...And I can Again make the same argument for you Bill (just like Chights) What is your EXACT point with these posts?? Is it to in fact "point out" that whether you have "faith" or not, that people, when put in extreme circumstances, don't always make the MOST logical, rational, intelligent, "faithful" decisions?? then yes, I agree...because the ONLY way to "FULLY" prepare for something of that magnitude (not stopping evil or Hateful acts), is to be EXPOSED to it over and over again. Which once is bad enough let alone overexposure...but in ANY event, people who DO stop evil and sacrifice their lives Should be "Saints" or ''Hero's" to believers as well as Non. Because, if no after life exists, then they gave their one and ONLY life truly for a "greater cause" to save another...and if a God exists, then they gave their life, and (as believers we feel "the sacrificial" will be rewarded!)
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Wed 30 Nov, 2011 04:03 am
@Chights47,
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[Show the video's of Atheists doing horrible things such I have shown of Christians and Muslims, I don't care. I'm actually doing something to make this world a better place and to remove all of that hate and greed and evil...all of it, even that which comes from supposed religious "righteousness".
Really? you don't believe me that there are probably thousands of youtube videos I could post of "Extreme Atheists" who are gang members who do NOTHING but EVIL all the time?...they do not except God, nor Satan ( though like I said, some do, but I am not referring to them but the others) and they by "definition" call themselves "Atheist" for they have lack of belief in a God....Do you really wish for me to link those horrific acts? or will you take my word and believe me? and if you DO believe me, then again, I don't associate "those false extreme Atheists" as to "understanding" or "conclusions" about ANY belief or lack of belief (personally)...believer or Non-believer, "Acts of pure Hate, shows no "reputable evidence" of anything except delusion, self-deception, and away from society"
So if I am making Gross assumptions about you, by your posts, and your for "progressing humanity" (with which again, I AGREE! and "see" from my perceiving of minds that you in fact are! and are mostly a "reflection of light") then answer my silly meaningless question as to why did you post those videos in association with Christianity, or Islam to begin with? and of what importance does it really mean at all?, whether said believers do these acts or non? If you are intelligent, rational, educated (which I believe you are) then what is the "importance" of watching or viewing these videos, in association to ANY belief or lack of belief??
(and for the record, in case you don't already understand this, I don't DENY for a second these acts exist, But I also know that there are just as many who do these acts who are by "definition" Atheist....Just like by definition, these videos you post, the people by "definition" would be called Christians, or Islamic etc...but MY point was, MY views would be consistant with one another, People who do evil and hatred. Whether said believers or not, symbolize nothing to me...and if ANYTHING SATANISM, (if he is real)
(and for the record, in case you don't already understand this, I don't DENY for a second these acts exist, But I also know that there are just as many who do these acts who are by "definition" Atheist....Just like by definition, these videos you post, the people by "definition" would be called Christians, or Islamic etc...but MY point was, MY views would be consistant with one another, People who do evil and hatred. Whether said believers or not, symbolize nothing to me...and if ANYTHING SATANISM, (if he is real)
That is Just "MORE proof" to me that I am NOT rationalizing, and like I said, if your filled with hate or evil...it may be hard for you to be saved (if an afterlife exists) I don't know exactly whats gonna happen, but I know they will have a "shot" but have to repay debts....and secondly if your mostly a "reflection of light" then whether you have "faith" or not now, you will have the prudentness to accept God when the time comes if you truly wish too accept him!....
And there are "JUST AS MANY" who are Atheist, or Agnostic. Who are for "progressing humanity" who will do nothing or say nor stop evil or hateful acts. Even if they "say'' they do or do not Know they are evil they're seeing...And I can Again make the same argument for you Bill (just like Chights) What is your EXACT point with these posts?? Is it to in fact "point out" that whether you have "faith" or not, that people, when put in extreme circumstances, don't always make the MOST logical, rational, intelligent, "faithful" decisions?? then yes, I agree.
And if you "feel" that the bold text "proves" no such thing as a "God nor faith" then examine it MORE carefully, people who do "sacrificial acts" in A God's name would then "prove" that a God of Love, Patience, Acceptance exists and so does "faith"
You do realize that response would be normal for any belief system don't you?
From my observation what you are believing in is not God but what your environment has taught you combined with your own perception of how a God should be worshiped.
If you were born in a different country by different parents your beliefs would not be the same as they are today but your response would psychologically be the same.
You do realize that response would be normal for any belief system don't you?
How so?
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From my observation what you are believing in is not God but what your environment has taught you combined with your own perception of how a God should be worshiped.
No it's God, DIRECTLY speaking to me...
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If you were born in a different country by different parents your beliefs would not be the same as they are today but your response would psychologically be the same.
I disagree, because I was raised Catholic, was Atheist, and heard God's voice, and searched about every religion I could grasp, until I found it was Jesus...
people who do "sacrificial acts" in A God's name would then "prove" that a God of Love, Patience, Acceptance exists and so does "faith"
Do you mean an act like this?
And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD: "If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the LORD's, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."
Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the LORD gave them into his hands. He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon.
When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of tambourines! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter.
When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, "Oh! My daughter! You have made me miserable and wretched, because I have made a vow to the LORD that I cannot break."
"My father," she replied, "you have given your word to the LORD. Do to me just as you promised, now that the LORD has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites.
But grant me this one request," she said. "Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry."
"You may go," he said. And he let her go for two months. She and the girls went into the hills and wept because she would never marry.
After the two months, she returned to her father and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin. From this comes the Israelite custom
