Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@king louis,

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i would say give me a free pass to heaven i know i havnt been the best guy but save me a seat dude

I can ASSURE you, (that if Christ exists) with this attitude toward him (Jesus) you will BY NO MEANS be PUT TO SHAME!! Very Happy

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@ehBeth,

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Ah, thanks.

My read of that appears to be a bit different than years, but I do appreciate your interpretation as well.

No problem at all!! And I appreciate that you were "trying" to be a peacemaker in this (theses) questions at hand! and I actually "think" it is VERY ADMIRABLE to be a peacemaker!! (in my opinion, Lord knows we NEED MANY MORE of them OUT THERE) but I am EXTREMELY PLEASED, that you respectfully stood down, and ALLOWED Chights a chance to explain his "understandings"

HAVE A GREAT DAY BETH!!! I LOOK FORWARD to DISCUSSING with YOU(R) IDEALS!! Very Happy

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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but it was my answer indirectly....if both evil and good people exist on earth, from Atheism to EVERY Theism that exists...why would you conclude that Christianity is EVIL (as a whole) based on what 10,000 false believers did oppossed to the billions who walk the earth (mostly faithful to Christ) in as much, it would be like saying. I know and have seen evil Atheists...that DOES NOT lead me to the conclusion, that EVERY Atheist is an EVIL PERSON....SO, why does Chights conclude his thoughts that way about Theisms? And if he genuinely "feels" that way, would he be offended if I said he was evil?, based on what I have seen from a select few who "claimed to be Atheist" but were just evil people? and did NOT ness. represent ANYONE or ANYTHING nor NOTHING POSITIVE FOR THE MOST PART...?

The reason I didn't answer your question was because it's a strawman argument. I have never, and would never say something such as this or come to any such conclusion. You have lead yourself to a false conclusion based on a single sentence taken completely out of context. Now I will freely admit that I have stated, and will continue to claim, that theism is flawed to various degrees, but will never claim something as outlandish as you have stated. In regards to you and your interpretation of Christianity, I feel (based on what I've heard and know) is that it's a little to altruistic. I feel that you would benefit from read Ayn Rand's book: The Virtue of Selfishness. While altruism is a good quality to have, I feel that it should be balanced out with a certain level of "selfishness".

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

First, do an MRI and other medical tests to ensure you are a mortal human being. Then once we have confirmed this, crucify yourself in the manner described in the bible. Then once confirmed dead, you will be placed in an vacuum chamber held at just above zero degrees kelvin for 3 days while scientists monitor all incoming radiation to make sure there is no physical source to cause a ressurection. If you are able to be ressurected after all this, since no one could see you were in the vacuum chamber you must be crucified again before witnesses, confirmed dead, and then watched for three days and everything must be documented. Then if you become alive after all this, I will have faith that you have the ability to be ressurected after being crucified.

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@Chights47,

You are suggesting XXSpadeMasterXX replace Christianity with badly written teen romance? At least parts of the King James translation are beautifully written.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

You are suggesting XXSpadeMasterXX replace Christianity with badly written teen romance?

Who said anything about replacing Christianity? What's the point in worshipping nothing but a fairy tale, 2 hands working do more than 1000 folded in pray.

ehBeth wrote:

At least parts of the King James translation are beautifully written.

I agree, I never said other wise. Just because something is beautifully written however, doesn't make it true. These are but a few reasons as to why I am opposed to religion:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2011/11/christian_theocracy_how_newt_gingrich_and_the_gop_would_abolish_courts_and_legislate_morality_.html?tid=sm_tw_button_toolbar

This isn't even the worst of it...

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@Chights47,

Chights47 wrote:

2 hands working do more than 1000 folded in pray.

you do realize that this is a Christian sentiment you're presenting

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@ehBeth,

I do, why do you point this out?

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@Chights47,

and do you BELIEVE that ANY of these depictions, represent Christianity as a whole??? or what Jesus Christ taught in his life which was Love, Patience, tollerance, Acceptance? etc??? Just like I could point out their are flawed Atheists who "destroy" your "good works"...Do other Atheists designate "your actions"??

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Is the church siding with the money changers?

St James Cathedral Evicts Occupy Toronto from Church Land

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I think that Christianity was taken over by the rulers after they could not end it by feeding Christians to lions and many other means to stop it.
What you have now is a seriously distorted picture of Christianity coming from the church that is being ruled by wolves in sheep's clothing!

I think that the first Christians were the Therapeutae! What do you think?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

and do you BELIEVE that ANY of these depictions, represent Christianity as a whole??? or what Jesus Christ taught in his life which was Love, Patience, tollerance, Acceptance? etc??? Just like I could point out their are flawed Atheists who "destroy" your "good works"...Do other Atheists designate "your actions"??

Did I claim that I believe that this represents Christianity as a whole? It seems to me as if you're just on some kind of witch hunt now and being overly agressive to points that I haven't made. The link and video's that I posted are representative of Christianity and Islam, but not as a whole. The point is that it doesn't have to represent the whole of any religion if this is what it can and does cause. These aren't isolated incidents, this and much worse are going on today even in the supposedly rational 1st world countries. Religion IS the cause of these and other horrible acts and that is an undeniable fact and is does far more harm than good. As far as the supposed "good teachings" of Jesus (some was good, some wasn't), anyone can teach these things and I can guarantee they can teach it better.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

American evangelicals such as Scott Lively and California pastor Rick Warren are promoting laws in Uganda to kill homosexuals in the name of Chistianty so the evil done in Jesus name is ongoing around the world.

Where are all the ‘good’ Christians such as xxxspademasterxx when this bullshit is being done in their and their religion name?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

Uganda's Anti-Homosexuality Bill (often called the "Kill the Gays bill" in the media)[1][2][3] is a legislative proposal that would broaden the criminalisation of same-sex relations by dividing homosexual behavior into two categories: "aggravated homosexuality", in which an offender would receive the death penalty, or "the offense of homosexuality" in which an offender would receive life imprisonment. "Aggravated homosexuality" is defined to include homosexual acts committed by a person who is HIV-positive, is a parent or authority figure, or who administers intoxicating substances, homosexual acts committed on minors or people with disabilities, and repeat offenders. "The offense of homosexuality" is defined to include same-sex sexual acts, involvement in a same-sex marriage, or an attempt to commit aggravated homosexuality. It further includes provisions for Ugandans who engage in same-sex relations outside of Uganda, asserting that they may be extradited for punishment back to Uganda, and includes penalties for individuals, companies, media organisations, or non-governmental organisations that know of gay people or support LGBT rights.

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@Chights47,

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Did I claim that I believe that this represents Christianity as a whole? It seems to me as if you're just on some kind of witch hunt now and being overly agressive to points that I haven't made. The link and video's that I posted are representative of Christianity and Islam, but not as a whole. The point is that it doesn't have to represent the whole of any religion if this is what it can and does cause. These aren't isolated incidents, this and much worse are going on today even in the supposedly rational 1st world countries. Religion IS the cause of these and other horrible acts and that is an undeniable fact and is does far more harm than good. As far as the supposed "good teachings" of Jesus (some was good, some wasn't), anyone can teach these things and I can guarantee they can teach it better.

Ok, so then AGAIN what is the POINT to the video's and posts?? I can link 50 or so youtube videos of gangbangers, and gang members, (who many are, in your defense Satanists) but MOST are by "definition" Atheist...who do NOTHING BUT EVIL and do NOTHING POSITIVE...would it be fair for me to show these "extreme Atheists" and classify ALL atheists as evil people?? or in ANY way do "these extremists" exemplify you or your actions?? (NO, then why the posts about extremists to begin with?) there will ALWAYS be crazies in the world "portraying" every theism, AND LACK of theism in Atheism, or Agnostic...but yet, as a rational, educated, and logical person. it would be foolish, and outright REDICULIOUS for me to watch ANY of these video's and conclude ANYTHING from ANY theism OR lack of theism...so if you feel you agree with me about that point....then one simple question, WHY do you INSIST on posting these "OUTRIGHT Hanious" videos and assimilate then to ANY theism or lack of Theism??? and if you don't and "feel" your intelligent, logical. and rational...then please stop posting about "these Video's" for they mean NOTHING to rational, educated, and logical minds...otherwise, its the same thing, as your giving "fair grounds" to post links about gang members or other "extreme Atheists" who practice hate, so that others on here will view these actions, and discriminate against EVERY Atheist, or Agnostic!....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

your answer would be all very well was n´t for the fact that theism only defends rationality up to a point where it starts questioning its own believes, and that´s the problem with it, you cannot have it both ways...its a choice !

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Strange however when people with large followings such as Rick Warren [ 20,000 followers] does evil in the name of Jesus I do not see the "good" Christians taking any actions and this even in a time period when you are not taking any risk with your life and wellbeing for so doing.

No good Christians with picket signs in front of the church of Mr. Warren who is trying to get third worlds countries to passed laws to have gays either lock up for life or kill for example.

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@Fil Albuquerque,

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your answer would be all very well was n´t for the fact that theism only defends rationality up to a point where it starts questioning its own believes, and that´s the problem with it, you cannot have it both ways...its a choice !

Please explain how this is done so??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Happy thanksgiving ALL Very Happy

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Believing without questioning your own beliefs is not rational is there anything else more to say ? I thought it was obvious...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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there will ALWAYS be crazies in the world "portraying" every theism, AND LACK of theism in Atheism, or Agnostic...but yet, as a rational, educated, and logical person. it would be foolish, and outright REDICULIOUS for me to watch ANY of these video's and conclude ANYTHING from ANY theism or lack of theism.

I can not agree with that completely! Being that you are a rational, educated, and logical person could you show me where it is logical to be a theist? I do understand that it is psychological to be a theist but being that it is psychological to believe in all sorts of strange Gods where does it become logical when looking at anthropologically?

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