Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@Frank Apisa,

Please explain it...So I can understand what it is you think I don't understand...

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@Frank Apisa,

Who do you think will win the Super Bowl?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Who do you think will win the Super Bowl?

The Giants, of course!

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@Frank Apisa,

Thank you...Now can you please explain how you think I do not understand Spendius' position so I can get a good understanding of what it is you think I do not understand?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

No, I don't think so. You have trouble with comprehension...or you would not have written the comment you did that started this line of discussion.

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@Frank Apisa,

OK, well if you do not think you can explain to me how you think I do not understand Spendius...Then there is no reason for me to believe that I do not...And it is empty words...And I have no way of seeing what you think he is saying to see another perspective...Or learn how you ultimatley think he sees things...Or see how I could be wrong...

You started the line of questioning when you asked me if I was reading what he is saying? And told me that I either am not reading, or do not understand it...Then said, you think I do not understand it at all....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

You started the line of questioning when you asked me if I was reading what he is saying? And told me that I either am not reading, or do not understand it...Then said, you think I do not understand it at all....

I think Frank does have some justification after you posted this.

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I think it is both funny, and hypocritical...For you to argue for the church, and argue for abortion and such...and then try to tell me that I should consider what public gangbangers think of me saying what I have...

Spendi has consistently argued against abortion, so to say he's done the opposite would indicate you've not been examining his posts thoroughly enough.

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@izzythepush,

That is what I meant in my post mate...Spendi argues against abortion...I did not mean for...I meant embraces the church for arguing against abortion...In other words the Church is against it as well...

And that was also why I was saying it is funny and hypocritical for him to embrace the Church's position about abortion and such...But then take into account what public gangbangers are saying....Cause it is easy to see that anyone who follows the Church would think that that is wrong as well...And would not be interested in hearing their side as to why they would do that...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

To be clear Spade--once you start disagreeing with the Church you are undermining it because you necessarily grant that others have the same right to disagree with it in any way they choose and eventually there is no Church.

Hence, disagreeing with the Church forfeits the right to claim adherence to its fold. Infidelity. It makes you an infidel.

You are free to be an infidel of course but not to use the Church to support your position. An atheist is not an infidel just as a bachelor cannot commit infidelity to a woman.

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@Frank Apisa,

Is this a better question? Please explain what you think Spendius' position is?

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@spendius,

But you do realize that what you embrace means nothing if you do not embrace the one and most important thing? Or the thing they say is the reason why the church does what it does?

It is more important to them to believe in Jesus, and not go to church, or fully embrace it...Then it is to support it, but not believe in Jesus...

Because with the belief a Church will always form...people will always preach the words of God...Without the belief...The church, and belief are gone...No one would follow morality as we know it...Cause it would have no legs to stand upon as to why it is correct...

I don't disagree with the church to be an infidel, try to make it collapse, Or fight against it...I do not agree that certain things it conforms to is the way that Gods thinks about things...So I will find my spirituality on my own...And embrace Jesus, the most important thing...To back the Church but have no belief, has no legs to stand upon to preach how good the church is...Or no one will believe you are sincere...

The belief in Jesus is basically the church, and the rules and morals follow after that...

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@Frank Apisa,

I think it is both funny, and hypocritical...For you to argue for the church, and argue for abortion and such...and then try to tell me that I should consider what public gangbangers think of me saying what I have...

izzythepush wrote:

Spendi has consistently argued against abortion, so to say he's done the opposite would indicate you've not been examining his posts thoroughly enough.

Post to Izzy: That is what I meant in my post mate...Spendi argues against abortion...I did not mean for...I meant embraces the church for arguing against abortion...In other words the Church is against it as well...

And that was also why I was saying it is funny and hypocritical for him to embrace the Church's position about abortion and such...But then take into account what public gangbangers are saying....Cause it is easy to see that anyone who follows the Church would think that that is wrong as well...And would not be interested in hearing their side as to why they would do that...

@Frank

Is it fair to say that this is what you thought? And that is why you did not think I understood Spendius? Because I did not realize I made a typo, and you thought that I thought Spendi agrees with abortion? Or do you think I still do not understand Spendi?

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@izzythepush,

Thanks for claifying that for me mate... Wink

Cause Frank said it...But did not want to explain it...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You wrote this--

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I am a Heterosexuial...If that is what you are asking...I do not have interests in gratifying myself to people that I have no idea about, or have never met...Such as a porn star, or an exotic dancer...It does not excite me the same way...It fades...I am more interested in a female if I get to know them as a person, and if I want to be in a relationship...And I find out if I am sexually attracted and compatible with them...Or not...

All I said about it was--

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You would be hopeless at dogging then Spade. Seasoned doggers would consider your position rather twee.

I took no position regarding the activity. All the doggers do is take promiscuity to its logical conclusion. Any promiscuity leads to the slippery slope at the bottom of which is dogging. Doggers are simply being honest assuming they do not use artificial birth control which the purists don't. (I have been told). It's an internet "friends" meet with the carnality included. Motor cars instead of broomsticks.

Doggers pride themselves on being able to get it on with whoever turns up. That fastidiousness you displayed is considered bourgeois. In which case it is political.

I'm not sure that the Church takes a position these days on the purist form of dogging. It's a watered down Sabbat I suppose.

I can't see how it would not arise once women are encouraged to do what they wish with their own bodies. And, as I understand it, you are in favour of that.

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@spendius,

I don't disagree with the church to be an infidel, try to make it collapse, Or fight against it...I do not agree that certain things it conforms to is the way that Gods thinks about things...So I will find my spirituality on my own...And embrace Jesus, the most important thing...To back the Church but have no belief, has no legs to stand upon to preach how good the church is...Or no one will believe you are sincere...

The belief in Jesus is basically the church, and the rules and morals follow after that...

Do you see how I am not trying to fight aganist it? But want what is best for it? And want it to succeed? Who better to say what the think the church should follow then ones who take the belief is Jesus seriously?

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@spendius,

I took it as you were saying that you think dogging is acceptible...Sorry if I was wrong...

I don't think that dogging is morally correct nor abortion...But I do think there are circumstances where it is the best thing, or permisible... if someone is raped, or if someone has incest, and the baby will be born with defects, or the person does not want to live that kind of life...Provided the birth is extermintated in the correct time frame...

But I do not think it is morally correct for anyone, expecially males to tell a women what to do with their body...And I think that most priests are saying not to do abortion because they care about the female more than the man who knocked them up actually does...

If a female has sex and gets pregnant, I don't think it is correct for them to extermaite the baby just because...

So it is more than black and white to me...

And I am not trying to be an infidel, or fight against the church or create hersay...Or pick and chose apsects of religion I agree with...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You would never have heard of Jesus without the Church.

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@spendius,

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You would never have heard of Jesus without the Church.

The Church never is, was, or would have been without Jesus...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I don't think that dogging is morally correct nor abortion...But I do think there are circumstances where it is the best thing, if someone is raped, or if someone has incest, and the baby will be born with defects, or the person does not want to live that kind of life...Provided the birth is extermintaed in the correct time frame...

That's heresy.

What is "unacceptable" about dogging?

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@spendius,

What is unacceptable about permisible abortions?

I think that from a religious standpoint they are both morally incorrect...You simply can not argue a position of ignorance because the Bible has never addressed dogging...So you are saying that dogging is not deemed unacceptable because it is not written that it is? Or the Chuch has never spoke out about it? Well the Bible never claims that abortion is either...Those things are formulated based upon being prudent, because the Bible does not explain everything...

Just because the church has never made a claim about the morality of dogging does not mean you should not be able to pick out how it is moral or not...

The objective of the church, from the way you see it is to become capable of understanding morality...

If you think that things the Bible never speaks of are immoral such as abortion, you can't argue that things like dogging are moral...Just because the Church has never spoke about it...

The Bible says that a partnership, and love and marriage is between one male and one female...

Is that sufficent?

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