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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 02:50 am
@reasoning logic,
I see.............

Maybe I digress. Study is study and I do obviously Smile Good call.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 03:08 am
@reasoning logic,
As you like grotesquely deformed breasts, I thought you might like a song about big bottoms.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 02:03 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
As you like grotesquely deformed breasts, I thought you might like a song about big bottoms.


Izzy I really am no big titty fan and as a matter of fact I wish people could be more happy with what ever they have. I am more of a face person myself not that a good shape isn't nice to see but I enjoy seeing pretty smiles more.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 06:07 pm
I find that most people could not care less to study moral philosophy but maybe you can prove me to be wrong?

Morality? Yes? No? Then what is morality?

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MoralPhilosopher23
 
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Reply Wed 22 Aug, 2012 02:18 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Well that is interesting that you are curious to see how an atheist would act if Jesus came down from heaven to make an attempt to prove his divinity to us.

I would only ask him a series of questions if I had the opportunity, but only to see how he would answer them.

First, I would ask if God is omniscient. If he answered yes god is omniscient, then I would ask this: If god is omniscient, then would he have the power to see the end at the beginning and everything in-between? If he answered yes then I would ask another question: If god had the ability to see everything before it happened then why would he create an angel (the devil) who would go against him? If he knew that "Satan" was going to turn on him, then why would he create him in the first place? After all, it was because of the "snake" tempting Adam and Eve that resulted in original sin which damned all the nations to come. I mean, if a god really was omniscient, then was his divine plan to create a creature to go against him so he could justify the fall of man? Never helping humanity??

Or is it that he is not omniscient and didn't see the bad results until they happened?

Is it that he seen the evil to come from his creation, but lacked the ability to change it?

If he is all-powerful, then can he change his all-knowing mind? If so, then he would not be all-knowing; or, in other words, omniscient. If he lacked the power to change his mind, then he would not be omnipotent.

The problems of god are very profound and this truly is a small sect of questions concering religion and god. If you would like to raise questions, please do.

I haven't slept in 20 hours... Goodnight

Take Care
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 22 Aug, 2012 03:54 pm
@MoralPhilosopher23,
Thank you for your responses to this forum and I hope to read much more from you in the future. Very Happy
TheFallout
 
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Reply Wed 22 Aug, 2012 06:22 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/Christianity-Atheism.jpg
Atom Blitzer
 
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Reply Wed 22 Aug, 2012 07:56 pm
@TheFallout,
http://harmoniaphilosophica.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/tumblr_lj5ojelypb1qiqm83o1_500.jpg
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Krumple
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 01:00 am
@MoralPhilosopher23,
MoralPhilosopher23 wrote:

Well that is interesting that you are curious to see how an atheist would act if Jesus came down from heaven to make an attempt to prove his divinity to us.

I would only ask him a series of questions if I had the opportunity, but only to see how he would answer them.

First, I would ask if God is omniscient. If he answered yes god is omniscient, then I would ask this: If god is omniscient, then would he have the power to see the end at the beginning and everything in-between? If he answered yes then I would ask another question: If god had the ability to see everything before it happened then why would he create an angel (the devil) who would go against him? If he knew that "Satan" was going to turn on him, then why would he create him in the first place? After all, it was because of the "snake" tempting Adam and Eve that resulted in original sin which damned all the nations to come. I mean, if a god really was omniscient, then was his divine plan to create a creature to go against him so he could justify the fall of man? Never helping humanity??

Or is it that he is not omniscient and didn't see the bad results until they happened?

Is it that he seen the evil to come from his creation, but lacked the ability to change it?

If he is all-powerful, then can he change his all-knowing mind? If so, then he would not be all-knowing; or, in other words, omniscient. If he lacked the power to change his mind, then he would not be omnipotent.

The problems of god are very profound and this truly is a small sect of questions concering religion and god. If you would like to raise questions, please do.

I haven't slept in 20 hours... Goodnight

Take Care


I have posed similar questions to spade before. In fact I bet somewhere in this thread is a question from me that is identical to yours minus how you ask it. Spade's typical response to these sorts of questions are to either ignore them, gloss over them completely or change the subject. From spade's perspective he "knows" god is real because he has "conversations" with his god. He doesn't need faith because he "knows" god is real.

I do find your post a little strange though. If jesus were to return wouldn't it make asking for the refutation of the logical premise of christianity pointless?
MoralPhilosopher23
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 08:56 am
@Krumple,
Your correct on that point, but my overall goal was just to raise questions to help him think a bit more on the subject before jumping to conclusions. If Jesus did return, then Christianity would be proven true but that is very unlikely. I would say that I'm 100% certain that there is no personal god, but the debate, in itself, cannot be proven either way. We can, however, make an attempt to come up with the best logical explanation for a serious philosophical problem like this.

Glad to have joined this forum. It truly is an interesting place.
MoralPhilosopher23
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 08:58 am
@reasoning logic,
Thank you as well for being so welcoming to the forum. I plan to write a significant amount on the philosophy forum so you will be seeing a lot. Thanks for the compliment.

Cheers
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 06:44 pm
@MoralPhilosopher23,
Quote:
I plan to write a significant amount on the philosophy forum so you will be seeing a lot. Thanks for the compliment.


You are welcome.

I do not understand Ryan as much as I wish that I did but I will say that he is more often a gentleman than not but don't we all get it wrong at times? I often wonder if he is being serious in his replies because he seems as though he should be able to understand some of the logic being put forward but I myself get much of it wrong so I have to also say that there could be a true possibility of his sincerity in his replies.

Maybe I am wrong but I think we are all guilty of preconceived notions that allow us all to discredit the logic being shared.

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 04:32 pm
Ryan, Fs, Kumple, Izzy and others where have you been? I been missing you all. Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 04:36 pm
@reasoning logic,
OMG , you know ever since you learnt to add Emoticons? I can see your expressions clearly Smile Morning RL...

I've been breasing through Smile Ryan tends to go off for a few days, and then back again with viligence Wink I would expect him to be here by tomorrow.. Should we bet on that, imagine if that happened you would have to then admit I am a Witch lols.

Plus I hate Spades Avatar, he knows that, now it's pretty much on this page, so I'm waiting to turn the page so to speak.. Blood and guts isn't my thing.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 05:50 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
Morning RL...


Good evening FS it is almost 8pm here but I am sure you know this just as I know you are in a different time zone than me..
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 06:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
Absolutely, isn't it funny how we will say good morning/evening based on our own timezone instead of someone elses, that puts you almost I imagine 12hrs , I think behind me Smile
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 06:34 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
that puts you almost I imagine 12hrs , I think behind me Smile


That sounds like me always behind. Rolling Eyes Tomorrow will be 8/25/2012 I guess you are able to see into the future. Smile
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 07:04 pm
@reasoning logic,
Well, I'd say "behind the 8 ball" Wink Off course I can see into the future, only a month though or else this thread would be solved Smile
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 07:12 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
Well, I'd say "behind the 8 ball"


I thought that you might have been a gipsy type of witch and had a crystal ball. Wink Good night FS, it is now after 9 pm and I been up sense 2:30 am. Sad
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 11:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
Wink Definately a "free" type of witch, hate shoes too unless off course I am going out, then what woman doesn't like shoes.

2.30AM - 9PM dear me....... Hope you slept well RL... Enjoy, it's weekend now.

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