@Krumple,
Quote:Paul even states it that he never met jesus but felt he knew him.
Quote:It does call into question the validity of such details or knowledge when something isn't written about which would have been a dramatic event yet no one bothered to record it?
Spades, feels that Jesus, is around him.. Yet he never met him either, he feels he knows him. And, this has been said before as well by other people, especially where Miracles have occured. So you can't say this is not possible.
I have read, through this thread actually . Where supposidly doctrines have gone missing. You agree the Bible is crap. Who is to say something wasn't recorded and is missing ....
Quote:I am asking that same question. How can a god be considered good if it creates hell. Are you saying or suggesting that hell is self arising? That it's creation was beyond gods control? God is powerless to do anything about the formation of hell? If so then he can't be omnipotent.
How do we know he created Hell? I agree with you that if he is the be all and end all, he should be able to "oliminate" Hell. But, same thing, how do we know that just because the teachings are, you go to Hell or Heaven, doesn't mean that is true. What, if, for instance, this was an original thought, that theres the Devil, there's God, they fight both to win and the Devil created the Hell, God created the Heaven and it's still going on, the war.. How do you not know that may be more factual. You don't , I don't, but logic would put it that way. Good, bad. All movies are created in that light, man thinks like that, why...
Quote:Yeah they seem like perfectly reasonable things not to do yet they appear no where in the bible as things you shouldn't do to other human beings. In fact the bible actually supports both as reasonable. If a woman is raped she is forced to marry her rapist. There are many statements that back slavery as perfectly reasonable.
But, you don't believe the Bible is correct so how do you know it wasn't meant to be written in there?
It would make sense that Man would write, you can have slaves. Could you really see a God, saying that? Do unto others as you would do to yourself. To me that means, if I would not want to be raped, I can't rape. It is written in there. The Bible to me is trickery. I mean seriously, you are then raped and are forced to stay with that person because once you have had sex, that's it. Or, you are supposed to stay with the person you marry, and never re-marry. Which one is it?
Slavery to me is man made. He decided through greed .. Don't you actually wonder if there is such a book, that God would have said, "no slavery". Do unto others as you would do to yourself. But, sheez, let's change that, then I can get people to do all my work for me, no one will know.
Look, it's around and around in circles. If I told you a story and you passed that story onto someone else, and they passed it onto someone else, I bet anything by the time it got back to me, it would be totally in-correct as to what I said to start with.
I see this as no different. You can't go by this book called the Bible. And, as you are a non-believer, you can't begin to even take parts of what someone would think to be true, about a God, and take parts that you think is crap and wrong, because you are purely going off of this thing called a Bible. Yet, you know it's not factual. How is that.
Quote:Sure the bible is obviously been altered and changed. We know this is definitely possible since there are many scripts that do not have certain passages or word usage and there are no originals only copies of copies of copies all with slightly different alterations to them as time goes on.
Then you know not to believe it. And, you may understand why I have no desire to read it, why would i put myself through what you are putting yourself through? Or Spades even. Questioning, disecting, trying to find it all wrong, or right?
Quote:All of that is nonsense. If it is based in reality then there would be something fundamental that supports their reality. The reason these things are bullshit is because there is absolutely nothing that supports their existence.
You mean you've never experienced any of it, like I suspected, consequently to you it's bullshit. Like I said, even some Scientists can not explain some things that occur.
If it's bullshit, then how can someone talk to someone else, via the mind only and be heard. That's factual. It's been proved time and time again. Why can some people do this and others can't? Because those that are open to what is out there, will and those that aren't won't.
Quote:Essentially there is no purpose. Since this is the case it opens the door to that of having any purpose. But if you say that our purpose is to obey a god and follow it's demands (commandments) then that is predefined purpose with no escape. Who asked if you wanted to take part in this? If a god exists and you must decide to believe in it or to reject it then you are nothing more than being mentally raped.
To you. To me there is a purpose. Why would I say the purpose is to obey God?
The purpose is to do good.. Haven't you ever helped anyone in your life Krumple? Hasn't anyone ever helped you? Didn't it feel good if you did?
I think that you are bitter personally, only someone who sees good in most in life, feels good about their life. It seems to me that you see rape, slavery, mental rape, as part of the Bible. I say, yet again, stop researching, what good could it do? It's been changed and changed and changed by man. And, you seem to have anger over people that choose to believe in God, you put people down, they are delusional, evil, worse than evil, for what, believing in something you don't?
It's almost like you are on your own mission.
There is God. Heaven
There is the Devil. Hell
And, then there is no-where a space where you go that is not either of the above.
That could be true, you could float around in that big wide, Universe for ever lost...
I have seen a lot of things in my 48 years, that I can not explain, but I can tell you I am not delusional, or physcotic, physic maybe. So why is that? I can bet every single Atheist, has never experienced esp, seen an aura (which I assume can be Scientifically explained) minds talking to each other yet, from such a distance without words, or the energy force, or other things such as hearing or seeing what seems to be a spirit, ghost. But I bet, an Atheist has NEVER ever seen any of that, because it has to have a scientific reason and logic behind it. They refuse to think otherwise, therefore, to them there can't be anything out there, everything can be explained. Yet, the smartest of the smarts as Scientists, will also digress on somethings, they can not explain it at all. Why is that? A guessing game til the end for all. 
, they would have loved you in Salem back in the day.
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