52
   

Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

Forums: Atheism, Christianity, Religion, Xx Stands For, Born Again Atheist
Email this Topic • Print this Page
 
 
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:18 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
Are you saying that most theist could be wrong about there being a God?

Anyone can be wrong, about anything, right?

I do not believe that they are...But I do not require "evidence" to back up God...Because you can only find him thru faith...You are saying you do not think any Gods exist....and are trying to find evidence rather than faith...I am saying you will never find it...

Quote:
If so why do they teach that there is a God?

Because they believe, Gods exist...

Quote:
Why don't they just say we do not know if there is a God but lets pray and you can leave your donation in our plate if you would like?

Why do you not, just say, We could be wrong...And "faith" might be the answer...Rather than give to the plate...We will "try" to embrace faith...?
reasoning logic
 
  2  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:25 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Quote:
Why do you not, just say, We could be wrong...And "faith" might be the answer...Rather than give to the plate...We will "try" to embrace faith...?


Can you give me one good reason everything should be based on faith and if not how is a God any different?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:27 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
The church seems to use good reasoning and mix it with sophistry to confuse the masses but who knows, maybe I am wrong and they actually believe the lies that they peddle.

They believe the "truth" Which you consider a "Lie"...And you believe their "truth" is a "lie"....You believe your "truth" which they consider a "lie" they believe your "truth" to be a "lie"

Quote:
If you have no supporting evidence to support a claim why would you believe it.

That is exactly what I am asking you, but you did not answer...What about what Jesus had said...Had any evidence to support? Miracles? Do you believe that they are real?

So, if you do not believe, there was any "evidence" to support Jesus' claims...What about, what he says, makes you "think" or "Believe" it was "truth"?

Quote:
Can you have faith in everything you hear

No...

Everything you say, could have faith in it....

Quote:
and if not why should the bible be any different?

Because it is words from God that you read....You do not have to listen to hear it...You have to hear, to be able to say....

XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:31 pm
@spendius,
Why exactly, are you an atheist?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:34 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
What is it that you think every atheist should know and are lying about?

Great question! I will be waiting for this answer!

I would say...They truly do not know what they should know, and they do not even know they are lying, but they are...To themselves...

Remember, it is normal to believe in Gods...
0 Replies
 
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:38 pm
@reasoning logic,
[reasoning logic]I am not sure but I could try, do you think that you would be in it?

[spendius]I hope not.

[reasoning logic]Why would I expect anything less of you than the desire to live in a world built upon lies?

[xxspadesmasterxx] Because he truly, somehow, only backs the Church for social reasons....No bigger picture at all...Heaven would indeed be a world, built without lies...And is part of the acceptance of the Church, and Bible...

And it would truly be amazing...It would not be horrible at all...
0 Replies
 
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
Can you give me one good reason everything should be based on faith and if not how is a God any different?

I can give you one amazing answer...Jesus' moral teachings being true...And him saying to find Heaven is thru faith...And him saying Heaven is magnificent...

God is different, because no one ever, has ever attempted to save, or judge a living creature, on faith alone....That is why it is so powerful...And how God is...And how you know it is true...The very reason you reject all of these things..."Proves" how strong, and real, and important it really is...If you can not do it...How could you even ask how it is relevant? Or a good reason? You claim to be "correct" but are not doing what you "know" you should be...Remember it is normal to believe in Gods....
0 Replies
 
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:50 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Quote:

That is exactly what I am asking you, but you did not answer...What about what Jesus had said...Had any evidence to support? Miracles?


There is no evidence to support the miracles that you believe but there is evidence to support the moral philosophy that may have been misinterpreted by today's Christians. If you are able to see how to love one another then you see and you are not blind, if you are able to hear words of wisdom when they are spoken to you then you are able to hear, if you are able to understand this then you are less likely to stumble and appear to be crippled while walking though life's challenges, if you are able to understand the moral philosophy that is available to those who care then you will be able to walk on water so to speak, if you can accept the idea of turning the old way of cleaning ourselves with water into wine, "something like a holy spirit and no I am not talking about the ABC's fine wine and spirits type of spirits that you drank on your birthday but rather one of greater value, but none the less it has the same affect on the mind, "it makes a person behave differently, it is called the understanding of moral philosophy. This is something that mine and your ancestors resisted and we killed those who thought differently from us. Now with all that said I very well may be wrong but I do have a lot more evidence to support my claim than what I have seen you present.
FOUND SOUL
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:50 pm
@reasoning logic,
You know we skim past this stuff at school and move on... IDK a few years later and it can become interesting Wink Especially organic chemistry.. I became dislexic reading that just for a minute.

XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 04:03 pm
@reasoning logic,
I will speed this upon between us....

So does that mean that there is no better way then faith?

No there is not...If God chose that, it must be the best...

Why not? Does this mean that God is limited...

Nope...It means that faith is the best way, because many could do it, and many could not, a true test...Whether anyone likes it or not....

How come? That means you enter Heaven, at the expense of us?

Nope, because I do not believe anyone will fall...

How come?

Because it is all a test, maybe you are higher than us, for being persecuted by ones who say they "know" God...Maybe we are all equal...and you get what you want, and we get what we want...

Maybe no one goes to Heaven at all, and there is no God...It makes no difference then....
0 Replies
 
reasoning logic
 
  2  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 04:07 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
You know we skim past this stuff at school and move on... IDK a few years later and it can become interesting Wink Especially organic chemistry.


You are not the only one. Most of what I have learned has been here, from people like Farmerman and others and from other places on the internet. Isn't this tool that you are using to talk to me on amazing? it enables us to learn so much. I would have never had the chance to meet someone like you 20 years ago.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 04:11 pm
@reasoning logic,
How is Faith the best way?

If I can not answer that, an agnostic can not answer it, and you can not answer it...

It is the best way!

And it is the thinking of a God...
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 04:14 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Quote:
And it is the thinking of a God..


Is the thinking of God "you"? and if not how can you make this claim?



reasoning logic
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 04:38 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Being that you are a lady and seem to have an interest in what I would call intellectual information, "not that I consider myself intellectual" I think that you may also have an interest in one of the most intellectual women in recorded history. Smile

Krumple
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 04:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
If you are able to see how to love one another then you see and you are not blind, if you are able to hear words of wisdom when they are spoken to you then you are able to hear, if you are able to understand this then you are less likely to stumble and appear to be crippled while walking though life's challenges, if you are able to understand the moral philosophy that is available to those who care then you will be able to walk on water so to speak, if you can accept the idea of turning the old way of cleaning ourselves with water into wine, "something like a holy spirit and no I am not talking about the ABC's fine wine and spirits type of spirits that you drank on your birthday but rather one of greater value, but none the less it has the same affect on the mind, "it makes a person behave differently, it is called the understanding of moral philosophy.


Holy ****, this has got to be the longest sentence in history.
Krumple
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 04:55 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

How is Faith the best way?

If I can not answer that, an agnostic can not answer it, and you can not answer it...

It is the best way!

And it is the thinking of a God...


Once again this only shows how ignorant you are.

Faith is the best way in what terms? There IS NO other way to believe in the existence of a god other than with faith. Because there IS NO evidence that a god exists. So the ONLY way to believe is by faith. Faith is believing in something with absolutely NO GOOD reason to.

So how is it the "best" way when there IS NO other way?

In what way is it best? If a god does exist, who or what makes faith the best way? Best for god? Or best for humans? You actually think that believing with out any good reason is better than actually having evidence? If you think that then you are a moron. Nothing else in your entire life is ever based on that premise yet when it comes to this one topic it is "the best way". Absurdity at it's finest. Your premise is genuine bullshit, fresh from the male cow's ass.
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 05:03 pm
@Krumple,
Quote:
fresh from the male cow's ass.


Krumple Are you female? Maybe this is a naive question for me but it would be inspirational for me if you are female. The reason I say this is because I think that you are a great thinker and it is not often that I find many women commenting in the subjects that I talk about, but you could be a little less hostile towards some people in my opinion but then again maybe you are able to see some things about the people that you are so hard on and that I am not able to see. I have never claimed to be able to see all of what is in front of me. Smile
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 05:06 pm
@Krumple,
Quote:
Holy ****, this has got to be the longest sentence in history.


I bet it made you wonder if I should be placed in the same category of people that you have placed Spade, being I went on about things I have little to no evidence to support. Idea Idea Idea Idea
spendius
 
  2  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 05:09 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
Especially organic chemistry.. I became dislexic reading that just for a minute.


I used to teach the subject to undergraduates. It is pretty crazy I'll admit. Cooking with carbon.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 05:13 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Quote:
Why exactly, are you an atheist?


I don't feel significant enough to discuss God except insofar as the waves He makes.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Atheism - Discussion by littlek
The tolerant atheist - Discussion by Tuna
The "atheism" thread locked, yet again, eh? - Discussion by layman
Another day when there is no God - Discussion by edgarblythe
@MyFellowAtheists: How Big an Atheist Are You? - Question by Kolyo
church of atheism - Discussion by daredevil
Can An Atheist Have A Soul? - Discussion by spiritual anrkst
THE MAGIC BUS COMES TO CANADA - Discussion by Setanta
The Atheist/Theist unity thread (a Discussion) - Discussion by Smileyrius
Can atheists believe in an immortal soul? - Question by neologist
 
  1. Forums
  2. » Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity
  3. » Page 307
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.13 seconds on 11/22/2024 at 05:12:50
▲ ▼