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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 12:15 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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You would have to ask him that...Or I would have to ask him, and tell you...I would say he might have...But being he is Islamic...He probably does not believe he was or is...He probably believes that Jesus was a Prophet of the Jews...And Mohammed was a Prophet for the world, and the last one...But I am not sure, if he has even read the Qur'an in English...Let alone Arabic...So I can not answer those questions...


OK so he must not be a Christian like you but more like me, "I am a Christian atheist and he is a Christian Islamic. What I mean by being a Christian atheist is that I like the moral teaching from Jesus but I am very much an atheist and not a Christian by today's standards.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 12:20 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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is true, Because there are millions of more facts, that are required into the understanding of evolution, than gravity?


No the reason that we have accumulated more evidence to support evolution is because there have been many more people who have tried to disprove evolution than there has been disproving gravity, which has enabled us to have the understanding of evolutionary biology that we have today.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 12:59 pm
@reasoning logic,
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OK so he must not be a Christian like you but more like me, "I am a Christian atheist and he is a Christian Islamic. What I mean by being a Christian atheist is that I like the moral teaching from Jesus but I am very much an atheist and not a Christian by today's standards.



No, I am saying, he was a full blown Christian...And converted...Or whatever term a Muslim uses...And is now full blown Islamic....

I do not know what he personally believes about Jesus Christ anymore...

I would have to believe, because he is Islamic...That he believes that Jesus Christ, was Prophet for the Jews, and Nothing more...

But that is, if he has even read the Qur'an in English, let alone Arabic...

As far as I know, he is not a Christian-Islam...Or anything like it...
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:00 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
What I mean by being a Christian atheist is that I like the moral teaching from Jesus but I am very much an atheist and not a Christian by today's standards.


Do you think that if Jesus a spent a bit more time on carpentry and bit less time performing miracles he wouldn't have had so much trouble?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:07 pm
@reasoning logic,
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No the reason that we have accumulated more evidence to support evolution is because there have been many more people who have tried to disprove evolution than there has been disproving gravity, which has enabled us to have the understanding of evolutionary biology that we have today.

Is this your own spin? Or is it a fact? Sounds to me...Like the reason we understand evolution the way we do, and have accumulated more evidence about it...Is because more people may have tried to disprove/prove it...And things have been proven...But there are also many more things that would require some kind of faith...That Izzy said you would have to embrace?? So how is there more "evidence"? There may be more things proven, but there certainly has to be many more things that are speculative, like I said...People trying to prove or disprove it, does not amount to more facts...Unless they have proven it 100% true...Or there were more facts to prove, to begin with...

How then, is faith based things, like a theology, doing wrongful things?

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:08 pm
@izzythepush,
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Do you think that if Jesus a spent a bit more time on carpentry and bit less time performing miracles he wouldn't have had so much trouble?


I think that it is all a story that evolved out of the philosophy of people like Philo of Alexandria and his writings about the therapeatae.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:09 pm
@izzythepush,
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Do you think that if Jesus a spent a bit more time on carpentry and bit less time performing miracles he wouldn't have had so much trouble?

I will answer it, in case, he does not want too...

Yes!
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:13 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I think that it is all a story that evolved out of the philosophy of people like Philo of Alexandria and his writings about the therapeatae.

If it is just a story, why does someone, who does not believe any Gods exist...Like what the moral teachings of Christ were?

He clearly said many times, I am God in the Flesh...And we are one and the same...

Are you selective, about what you like about him?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:14 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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People trying to prove or disprove it, does not amount to more facts...Unless they have proven it 100% true...Or there were more facts to prove, to begin with...


This is what we call peer reviews, People trying to find fault with it and showing evidence that shows something to be false.

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How then, is faith based things, like a theology, doing wrongful things?


I am not here to claim all of theology wrong but I will share my view points where I think a better way is possible.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:17 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Are you selective, about what you like about him?


I am selective about what is true and what is not. If you claim something to be true you need to have something that can support that claim.

You can claim to be a unicorn but you better be willing to show me at least your horn if you expect me to even consider your claim. Wink
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:24 pm
@reasoning logic,
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This is what we call peer reviews, People trying to find fault with it and showing evidence that shows something to be false.

So then, do you believe that anything is faith-based, accepted? If so, do you embrace it or not?

If not, what do you think about these ideas?

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I am not here to claim all of theology wrong but I will share my view points where I think a better way is possible.

But you understand, that it is just a "thought" of a better way possible?, and could be wrong? Just like theists?

If you do, it makes sense to me...

If you do not...It does not add up to me...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:27 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I am selective about what is true and what is not. If you claim something to be true you need to have something that can support that claim.

So, what about Jesus, did he support his claims, with truth? That you embrace?

Why?

If you think, he did not, and you embrace faith...At some points...What would be wrong with everything else that requires faith to embrace?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:30 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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But you understand, that it is just a "thought" of a better way possible?, and could be wrong? Just like theists?


Are you saying that most theist could be wrong about there being a God? If so why do they teach that there is a God? Why don't they just say we do not know if there is a God but lets pray and you can leave your donation in our plate if you would like?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:36 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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So, what about Jesus, did he support his claims, with truth? That you embrace?


The church seems to use good reasoning and mix it with sophistry to confuse the masses but who knows, maybe I am wrong and they actually believe the lies that they peddle.

If you have no supporting evidence to support a claim why would you believe it. Can you have faith in everything you hear and if not why should the bible be any different?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 01:58 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Because there are millions of more facts, that are required into the understanding of evolution, than gravity?


I would say the opposite. Nobody understands gravity. Evolution is a piece of cake to understand. That is why it is popular. With evolution people can parade themselves as scientific without ever having to furrow their brows.

Granted there are millions of facts in the evolutionary process, trillions more like, and they all contribute the same thing to our understanding just as the white fur of a polar bear tells us the same thing as the long neck of a giraffe and whatever it is that enables a virus to become immune to antibiotics.

Darwin piled fact on fact because he hadn't a book length script explaining the principle of evolution. Just a paragraph or two and it had been explained before and practiced by peasants down the ages. And by humans.

It's a natural suck it and see method whereas science is an artificial one where a human intelligence, motivated these days by fundings, decides what to suck. Disease control being a honey pot. Which risks disease prevention being sidelined. And risks disease promotion in order to have something to control which can be turned into a growth industry. Just as famines have been promoted to make a killing in the corn market or wars to turn a dollar in armaments and associated paraphernalia.

A proper reading of history shows that at the very top of every pyramid, whether there be one or many, there are extremely ambitious men and women and they are all driven by the same urge. To control. Methods vary as circumstances vary.

The Christian religion is an attempt to put to shame and obloquy some of the methods and to favour others such as forgiveness, love, ceremonials of many splendoured things, with chantings and dancings, and frilly Sunday bests, stitching up the contracts for the High-Speed rail link, getting fixed up with a chaste hopeful, boozing, taking the piss out of priests, and fighting anybody who has any other ideas.

Our atheists think there should have been no fighting off suchlike scum but they indulge their conceit by avoiding considering what if it hadn't have done. They compare the Christian religion to some idealised abstract concept of bliss which cannot exist. Thus, if they know, and they do now, they lie.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 02:53 pm
@reasoning logic,
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The church seems to use good reasoning and mix it with sophistry to confuse the masses but who knows, maybe I am wrong and they actually believe the lies that they peddle.


It is a lie you peddle rl that unconfused masses are a good thing and that you can promote unconfusing the masses without considering what an unconfused mass would look like.

It's just one of those superficial remarks I spoke about that nobody pays any attention to and if anybody does you can't justify it. It rides on the socially accepted pejorative tone in the words "sophistry" and "confuse" and "lies". And that's all it rides on.

Can you even imagine a world without lies?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 02:57 pm
@spendius,
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Thus, if they know, and they do now, they lie.


What is it that you think every atheist should know and are lying about?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 02:59 pm
@spendius,
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Can you even imagine a world without lies?


I am not sure but I could try, do you think that you would be in it? Wink
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:06 pm
@reasoning logic,
I hope not.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 03:16 pm
@spendius,
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I hope not.


Why would I expect anything less of you than the desire to live in a world built upon lies?
 

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