Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@reasoning logic,

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And you know this to be true because Of??????

It is simple, just think about it...No one would get value out of going, unless they genuinely wanted to go...It is the same thing as going to an A.A. Meeting...If you do not think you actually have any kind of problem...How do you expect someone to come to grips with it? Or be self-honest about it? They would not...

And this is not saying that everyone needs to go...All it is saying, is if you look down, deep, enough inside of yourself...You know, whether you are being honest with yourself, and if you need it, or not...If someone does not think they need to go to therapy...They they clearly do not need to go, just because another says that they "think" they should...

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So you think that a person believing themselves to be an Easter bunny could not be a neurological problem?

I can say, I do not know whether it is a neurological problem, or not...And if I said I knew...I would be pretending, at best! Because I do not believe, I am an Eater Bunny...And no one, who is not, would be able to tell, either...Just because we may "think" we know what is going on...Does not mean that we do, or are right about it...

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Maybe not if other means of psychotherapy did not work.

So if other means, of psychotherapy, does not work...Then what makes you believe, that drugs are doing anything, at all??

If other means do not work, then drugs most likely, will not either...

That is why there is no reason for me to take them...If I do not believe they would even work...Or, if I do not believe, they would even, do anything at all...Cause I do not see it as a problem, that requires drugs to cure...

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@reasoning logic,

There are none so blind as those that will not see. You are really in no position to advise anyone on what they should be doing. You dismiss any criticism as being motivated by some weird psychopathic urge or drunkenness. You use the word truth when in reality you're just talking about what you believe. You are very hostile towards science when it doesn't match your own beliefs. (Although I love the way you now claim to have seen the light.) And uniquely, despite huge amounts of evidence, you refuse to see that RT is a propaganda channel.

Your analogy of the Easter Bunny is ridiculous, and you only use it because it's simple. There are records of people who have claimed to be prophets of God and attracted a huge following, the most prominent being Mohammed. Nobody's ever attracted huge followers by claiming to be the Easter Bunny.

In short, when I see what you insist is the truth, compared with what Spades thinks might be the truth, your viewpoint is far less believable, which is something I never thought I'd be able to say about someone who claims to be a prophet.

You're a control freak, you're convinced you're right and can't accept it when people don't think the same as you. If this was 15th Century Spain you'd be part of the Inquisition.

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@reasoning logic,

You've answered your own question, yourself....

If it is "normal" to believe in God...Then there is no reason for me to ever go, unless they wanted to "Know" and "Learn"...

If they did not want to "know" and "learn"...then they must not believe it is normal to believe in God...

Or they must believe God is not...and "think" I am crazy...

And then them "choosing" to sedate me with drugs, would help no one...Unless "I asked"...

It would not be beneficial to them, if they believe in God...and it would not help me, If I wanted to tell them about God...It would only help...If I did not want to tell...Or if they did not want to hear it...Therefor...No reason to ever take drugs, or go to them, unless they wanted to "know" and "learn" about God...And me...

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And you know this to be true because Of??????

Anyone, who knows anything about Philosophy, Knows that you can not be a teacher, unless you were a student...You can not be a student who teaches the teacher...And you can not jump straight to being a teacher...

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@izzythepush,

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In short, when I see what you insist is the truth, compared with what Spades thinks might be the truth, your viewpoint is far less believable, which is something I never thought I'd be able to say about someone who claims to be a prophet.

I am cool with you believing that spade is a prophet, I am sure that gives him even more reason to believe it as well. I wonder if you are also willing to help someone to believe they are the Easter bunny. Smile

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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You can not be a student who teaches the teacher...And you can not jump straight to being a teacher...

You do not think that we all can teach each other something even the teacher?

Many students have excelled past those who have taught them in all sorts of subjects.

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@reasoning logic,

You have no idea what I believe, but making wild leaps of the imagination stops you dealing with reality.

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@izzythepush,

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You have no idea what I believe

Oh it is a fact that I have an idea about what you believe but if you are meaning I have no idea of what you are capable of believing I also have an idea about that too.

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@reasoning logic,

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I am cool with you believing that spade is a prophet, I am sure that gives him even more reason to believe it as well. I wonder if you are also willing to help someone to believe they are the Easter bunny.

No, you just don't get it...You believing I am not a prophet, should not influence Izzy mind...and it can not...He is gonna think what he wants, just like everyone else will...And throwing the Easter Bunny thing in there, shows what Izzy had said...You are selective, and you do not want to hear anyone else's version of the truth...If it comes in conflict with your own....And I take that as an insult, you would say that...anyways...I am not in the middle of you 2...So there is really no reason to bring that up like that...If you think me claiming to be a prophet makes me equal to an Easter bunny, that is fine....But to try to ridicule another for not thinking it is exactly the same way, as your thinking... is wrong....By what you said, it is clear you are not cool with it...

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@reasoning logic,

You may think that by refusing to accept the fact that RT is a propaganda channel you're engaging in some sort of philosophical exercise. You're not, you're just confirming everything that I've been saying.

And your 'ideas' are about as correct as your 'truths.'

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@reasoning logic,

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You do not think that we all can teach each other something even the teacher?

I think we can...But we still need to be students, to be teachers...If you are out-teaching a teacher...Then you would not be a student, but a teacher...Or the teacher, Is not really a teacher, at all...

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Many students have excelled past those who have taught them in all sorts of subjects.

If that is true, then these students were not students at all, but were teachers...They graduated from the student role very quickly indeed, to out perform a "teacher" And the student, and teacher, did not pick up on it....

That would make the student the teacher, and the teacher the student...If the teacher could not out perform, their own student...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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No, you just don't get it...You believing I am not a prophet, should not influence Izzy mind...and it can not...He is gonna think what he wants, just like everyone else will..

Yep and if you were born in Afghanistan to devout believers in Islam it would be logical for you to be a prophet of god there as well and Jesus would have a higher place in your belief than Muhammad?

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@izzythepush,

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You may think that by refusing to accept the fact that RT

I see you found something new to obsess about "RT" I wonder what will be next.

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@izzythepush,

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Channels like the BBC, Al Jazeera and CNN are motivated by a commitment to sound journalistic principles,

If you believe that izzy you'll believe anything.

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although there may be some individual bias here and there, as that's part of human nature.

Which proves you don't believe it.

At least we know where a flat out propaganda channel is coming from. One motivated by a commitment to sound journalistic principles might get past your guard if you are a supporter of sound journalistic principles.

Whatever they might be, but they certainly sound good and you are unlikely to attract adverse criticism by promoting them. Jolly good show. You should write to Lord Leveson. He's a bit confused on the subject.

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@reasoning logic,

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Oh it is a fact that I have an idea about what you believe but if you are meaning I have no idea of what you are capable of believing I also have an idea about that too.

And that is why Izzy says you are not reasoning, or Logical...You can not possibly "believe" you have an idea of what he means, and are being self-honest, or intellectually honest about it...If you do not know, then you don't...You can only know, if you ask him about it...

Nor, could he say the same about you...Which he doesn't...He just tells you that he thinks the way you view "truths" is inaccurate or Self-defeating...

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@reasoning logic,

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Yep and if you were born in Afghanistan to devout believers in Islam it would be logical for you to be a prophet of god there as well and Jesus would have a higher place in your belief than Muhammad?

No, I wouldn't, I may be culturally conditioned to Islam, but I would have searched the truth, and found it, just like I have, when I went looking thru them all...It would have been a different start, but the same ending...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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And that is why Izzy says you are not reasoning, or Logical...You can not possibly "believe" you have an idea of what he means,

Please explain why I can not have my own idea about what Izzy believes. Do you think I may have someone else's idea about his beliefs?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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No, I wouldn't, I may be culturally conditioned to Islam, but I would have searched the truth, and found it, just like I have, when I went looking thru them all...It would have been a different start, but the same ending...

How many times did you read the bible?
How many times did you read the Koran?
How many times have you been to church?
How many times have you been to a Mosque?

Do you think that you have given them equal attention to determine which one was the correct belief?

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@reasoning logic,

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Please explain why I can not have my own idea about what Izzy believes.

You can have an Idea...But you will never know what it is, unless you ask him...

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Do you think I may have someone else's idea about his beliefs?

No, I think you have preconceived notions about his beliefs...Which is unfounded, Which you will never know unless you ask him...

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@reasoning logic,

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How many times did you read the bible?

Many...

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How many times did you read the Koran?

Many...

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How many times have you been to church?

Many...

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How many times have you been to a Mosque?

Never...

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Do you think that you have given them equal attention to determine which one was the correct belief?

Yes, because once I read the scriptures, I never needed to go to a church again, or a mosque to know what I believe is the right path...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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You can have an Idea...But you will never know what it is, unless you ask him...

Is it possible that I could just read what he has stated to be true and take it as he believes it to be true or do you think I still need to ask him?

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