Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

Chights47 wrote:

Why does a horrible, deceitful, brainwashing lie make you feel special?

these are your views not mine, what makes my views horrible, deceitful, and of brainwashing? in what way is preaching to people about love and tollerance horrible? in what way is it deceitful? if we all practiced love and tollerance would the world be better or worse? so then does it REALLY matter what authority my words come from? and who exactly am I brainwashing? does ANY Atheist on here hold my preachings and experiences truthful?

What exactly is your "divine purpose" and how do you know that's from god and not just you/your pastors interpretation of this lie?

My divine purpose is to teach the words of Christ, and LIVE MY live as best as I can to his....I know its from God, because I can actually feel and see him in my pryers and visions and dreams....it's not a lie from my pastors interpretations, because I don't need to go to church to hear or find out about God, all I need to do is seek him in the privacy of my own room....

For arguments sake...

who says that I am the ONLY one with a divine purpose from these 38 thousand congregations? if they are there (in church) then "they" have "some" faith in Christ, so therefor, they TOO have a divine purpose as well, whether they understand this or not....and I can even argue, ones who DENY Jesus have divine purposes because many will except him, even though they do not now....and I believe all life has a purpose to it, I don't think God would create life knowingly for the purpose to destroy it....the answers lie in when we in fact die....that is all I can say, or if you chose, sooner rather than later, here now on earth....while were on the subject, what is your proposed purpose to life? without a divine purpose? etc...or what would you call your divine purpose here on earth??

That's not even including all of the hundreds of religions and thousands of deities and who knows have many different denominations and interpretations of all of them.

no one knows that answer, but honestly, does it really matter? maybe all of these thousands are the one living God portrayed thousands of different ways? and through thousands of different religions, but yet in the end we will find out it is ONE LIVING God....( read the Bible about the tower of Babel, where it explains how God created differences....)

]How come your religion (regardless of which one it is) has so many flaws that you just ignore, overlook, or rationalize in order to keep this fantasy of yours going?

How come Atheism will DENY EVERYONE of the flaws that exist with their views? such as they don't sin, or do wrong things at wrong times? or believe that basically their is no higher purpose to life only of what you make of life...which in short to me, is... do whatever you want, whenever you want, ALL the time, or submit, and it really makes no difference, and has no purpose....in the end....

There are sooooooooo many questions in which you put aside just so you can wallow in this false comfort.

I don't have many questions, and I don't call it false comfort...having "faith" in something that is basically not provable is infinatly greater of a feat to accomplish than it is to "think" you have all the answers...or "think" that you can and will be "able to" find ALL the reasoning and Logic and knowledge that exists in the world....in EVERY instance....if your the one with MANY questions, than seek God, my friend...

I apologize if this sounds mean but things don't get better just because you talk to your imaginary friend, they get better because you make it better.

You don't have to apologize, I value these discussions, your right, they don't get better because of an imaginary friend....because he is REAL...and guides me TOWARD being better and making things better....if I didn't use Jesus and things didn't get better for me, that would be a CLEAR indication that there probably isn't a God....but the fact things get better from him to myself with my actions, when I totally 100% put my faith "in him" and I see Jesus, in my experiences, says that he probably exists, and there is truth to what has been written and said about his life, death, and ressurection, wouldn't you agree? because the truth is, I probably couldn't make myself better WITHOUT him...so if I have to seek him in order to get better, than I will CONTINUE to do so, and Jesus or not Jesus, another name for God than I call him or not, (though I KNOW it's Jesus) it doesn't really matter does it? someone and something are guiding my life toward light...

Everything that is good with religion can easily be done through secular, non-religious ways without all of the religious "hoopla". Terrorizing children with thoughts of hell for not bending to the vain will of some magic sky daddy is just wrong. Telling people who are struggling financially to give more and more money to the ever greedy church so that god might help them in return is just wrong. There are many other examples but basically the only thing religion is good for is to oppress people and you as a tool for hate. As pretty much any atheist can point out, you don't need god in order to do good.

God tells suicide bombers to blow up women and children so that they can have 72 virgins in heaven. God tells people to stone to death gay people, blasphemers, adulterers, etc. There's a lot of things that god has told people over the years that hasn't exactly been so grand. How do you explain those people? Religion is a fickel thing, everyone's interpretation is wrong except yours...the problem is, is that everyone saying it...so who's right? I'll, of course, assume that it's you that's right since you can actually feel and see him.

So is it god's purpose to spread hate and fear and tell "his" people to kill people just because they don't believe in him or for other trivial/bigot reasons? That use to be a huge part of religion (just read your bible) and even still goes on today in this supposed age of reason. If your god really has a purpose for every one, why is everything so (pardon my language) completely fucked up? Why can't he fix anything himself he use to do it all the time just read the bible! Did he have to let that horrible earthquake happen in Haiti or terrible tsunami in Japan or any of the other countless horrible things? What about the tens of thousands of people dying from starvation and disease in the horn of Africa due to famine and religion/terrorist groups? As far as my "divine purpose" I say I don't have one. I do, however, have a regular purpose which I have developed through my many years of living on this earth. I believe that we are not give some innate purpose by some higher power. I cannot speak specifically for anyone else, but I feel that my purpose is to promote rationality, understanding, tolerance, free thinking, science, etc and to do my part to help make this world a better place for all of our future generations to come.

Why would you not reject such obvious and horrible flaws? There are always going to be flaws in things, the point is to find those flaws, and get rid of them out so that they aren't there anymore, that's how we become better. You also start to get into morality here which is a big no-no. Not having an innate purpose givin to you by seom "higher power" doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want whenever you want. This is the same sort of logic that makes people think that Atheists eat babies, rape people, and drink the blood of cute kittens just because we feel like it. I could go into a whole long thing about morality, but I think this is probably too long as it is...maybe later though.

How do you know it's not false comfort if you don't really question it? Why do you say that being gullible is better than being smart? I know that I don't have all the answers nor would I ever actually claim that. The only people that ever do really claim that, are insane people, and religious people.

You guide yourself towards being better by believe in something powerful that actually doesn't exist. Your god is like a placebo, works wonders for people who believe that actually works and doesn't nothing for those that do not. This leads to 1 of 2 conclusions, that your god is not real and doesn't help people, or your god is a vain douchebag who withholds his aid no matter the circumstances unless you believe in him. I was a Christian for over 7 years, I never felt god nor heard or saw him in my prayers or anything...because he wasn't there, never was, never will be.

did I ever make the claim I believe that these examples of what religious do is exactly correct? I would not tell a young child that they must bow or go to hell like you stated....nor do I believe that God NEEDS our money to fund his mission....I have given money before and will continue through I am poor, but I do it because I want to do it...most of the time, I give my ears, and talk about scripture with others, rather than believing that by going to a building once a week for an hr and throwing a 20 bill in a basket is the answer....

]easy answer but not enough time for this one, but simply put I DO NOT believe that Mohammed Nor his scriptures are of the same divinely inspired texts as the Christian Bible, sorry...to many reasons why I believe Islam is wrong, personally....and again, do you see believers of Christ stoning gays today, or blasphemers or adulterers? So it can't be both ways...either Jesus came to clarify things as stated, and people are doing well, not perfect but well...or there is no God, but people still kill gays, blasphemers, and adulterers, INCLUDING, (which you left out) that Atheist or non believers of God, kill believers as well for believing in a God....read on almost ANY saint...or particularly about ANY Mayrtr.....so if you see these things then tell me why they exist? (from an Atheist viewpoint)

I would say that the evil and terror, is because there IS A counterpart to God in Satan that exists....and those who suffer and die have already made it in Heaven, and Are great ones....I have read THAT from the Bible as well....and in what ways are you making the world better? if there is a God, and you promote to others to deny him, would you say in the long haul your wrong?, your work was foolish? example: if I promote love to Jesus and he doesn't exist, who did I hurt? we all rot in the ground, and my whole life I preached love and Tollerance, and giving...if your WRONG than you particually lead possible millions astray....looking from the outside in....I see with clarity, that your choice of lifestyle is WAY more detremental than mine or believers would ever be....thats wisdom to see this, and I can even see this by logic and reasoning as well...

fine, then I will explain it differently...why do Atheists feel that submission is a form of weakness? and reject that it has good purpose behind it....if you feel differently please explain if your willing to how you view submission? and in what ways you have in fact done so?

almost EVERY atheist will deny that sin exist...and if you corner them, and say do You do what you think you should ALL of the time in EVERY instance, I have yet to get an answer from them....so using reasoning and logic, why do you NOT do what you want ALL of the time whenever you want? if you don't believe in submission?

I am sorry you feel this way, but buttom line is if were both for helping humanity, and I chose to use Jesus Christ to do so, then whether he exists or not, it Evident that in Billions of people who except a false mythological being ARE STRIVING to DO GOOD ALL the TIME, AND PREACH LOVE, without his existance EVER being real....than 1 of 2 conclusions are happening (whether you like them or not) 1, he IS REAL or 2 all of the people on the face of the earth who practice love and patience, and tollerance, and humility etc in his name, have MADE him REAL....and there seems to be facts by looking around that there is plausibility to his existance and what he preached....

And if your in fact are for helping humanity, then it shouldn't be your duty to rid these people from the face of the earth, but rather except them for who they are, and TOGETHER help humanity...much like in my case I have said to Atheists, (in as much A buddhist) if he's a reflection of light then he IS DOING GOD'S WORK....and is in the RIGHT direction....therefor, backing up my "faith" with "evidence" which is what Atheists "harp" so much about....I challenge you to "show" me with "evidence" your capable of doing this....

Until the truth is revealed it cannot be known. God is the singularity of truth. Truth is at the heart of the matter.

Well, we should all believe everything you say Bill, it's not like you're ever wrong.

Who is right, if everybody is wrong? Politics? Religion? Philosophy? Until the truth is revealed it cannot be known. God is the singularity of truth. Truth is at the heart of the matter.

IThe problem is that theists just gobble up every morsel of "knowledge" that agree's with their belief's while automatically rejecting any that do not agree with them. That is irrational behavior for you cannot know if what you believe is right if you do not properly evaluate the evidence that is against it...which is substantial for all main stream religions.

That behaviour is not limited to theists, atheists like Bill are every bit as zealous and do exactly the same.