Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I thought you meant how many times does God himself actually say something about it...Himself...Not thru a Prophet or Apostle.

Are you saying that God actually said something that did not come to us by means of a Prophet or Apostle? What was it that he said? Does he have a book that he wrote all by himself?

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@reasoning logic,

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I seem to agree with you there because it seemed as even God rejoiced in them as well in the old testament.

He could not have done it, if you think there is no such thing as the 7 deadly sins...

If you think, by what you said, God is evil for doing them, then you must believe, that there is a such thing as them...and not that the only one deadly sin that exists, is rejection of Christ...

Where in the Old Testament, Does God the Father, reject his only son???

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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It is from a person, with the Spirit Of God, who is said to be wrong, as well...

If you could actually believe this then you would have been healed. You would be able to see and not be blind, you would hear the words of wisdom when they are spoken to you instead of being deaf to reality, "you would no longer stumble in your thinking as if you were crippled by absolute thinking, because you thought that a God spoke to you and you were wrong.

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@reasoning logic,

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Are you saying that God actually said something that did not come to us by means of a Prophet or Apostle?

No, I am saying, that all of Gods words and knowledge are not in this one book called the Bible...Just read the last 4 paragraphs of the book of Revelations...Or the Revelation Of Jesus Christ...And even if all the words came from Prophets or Apostles, since God said they are still not God...And are wrong...They clearly themselves, may not have understood what God meant by what they were scribing...Other than actually testing one another with it, to see what is righteous, and unrighteous...

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What was it that he said?

No one knows that answer...You have to test everything to figure it out...And become prudent...

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Does he have a book that he wrote all by himself?

Yes, The Lambs Book Of life, comes to mind...and another, (I feel) is in Heaven...And will be read for eternity...Which I perceive it to be, a Huge book about all the lives of the different people in Heaven....as well as him explaining everything, that was not explained in the Bible...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Goodnight Ryan.

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@reasoning logic,

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If you could actually believe this then you would have been healed.

It still can be done, they just do not know everything there is to know, and the Bible says so...Indeed I tell you, Believe in God, not mortal men...!

How can a man be healed, If he actually believes what God said about Prophets?? But does not believe what God said about the Prophets being wrong as well??

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You would be able to see and not be blind,

How can a man see, If he Blindly accepts a Prophet? But rejects, And Can not see what God has said about the Prophets?

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you would hear the words of wisdom when they are spoken to you instead of being deaf to reality,

How can a man hear, if he does not listen to Jesus, and is deaf to Jesus about other human men? In reality?

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"you would no longer stumble in your thinking as if you were crippled by absolute thinking, because you thought that a God spoke to you and you were wrong.

How can I be stumbling, if I "think" I am a prophet...And your non absolutist way of thinking, has even said to me, at times, That you "think" that I speak like Jesus would?? Are you wrong as well??

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@reasoning logic,

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Goodnight Ryan.

You are off to bed?? Have a great night sleep! Thanks for the conversations, very interesting... Idea

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@reasoning logic,

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you would no longer stumble in your thinking as if you were crippled by absolute thinking, because you thought that a God spoke to you and you were wrong.

How can I be stumbling, if I "think" I am a prophet...And your non crippling absolutist way of thinking, has even said to me, at times, That you "think" that I speak like Jesus would?? Are you wrong as well??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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Let me try to make this as clear as I can. Does the bible say any thing nice about homosexuals?

Does it say anything bad about homosexuals?

There are many places in the bible where it does talk about this or do I have this wrong? as I have been wrong many times before.

You are trying to corner me, and I have to say, I do not like it...I gave you my honest opinion the first time, when you asked me to explain how I thought God can't be wrong, and what it actually means...In a beneficial way...

Remember who you're talking to, he's already made his mind up in his own logical way. He doesn't have that much concept of time which is why he's always going on about slavery.

His argument is like refusing to see a doctor when you're unwell, because they used to give people mercury.

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@izzythepush,

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Remember who you're talking to, he's already made his mind up in his own logical way.

Maybe you have a different method of arriving at answers to these questions? What are your answers?

Does the bible say anything nice about homosexuals?

Does it say anything bad about homosexuals?

I am simply trying to share a point of view about how many people can view Christians as people who are promoting sociopathic behavior. The reason is because Christians have a book that has many horrible things written in it but Christians try to use sophistry or some Christians Know no better and say things like it was god testing people.

All that one has to do is understand that the majority of Christians and non-Christians will tell you that in the bible God says that homosexuality is wrong. The way I see it is that Spade is promoting a book that he thinks is the word of God yet it seems to be psychological for people "Priest and members of the churches" in the present and in the past to read that book much different than Ryan does.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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you "think" that I speak like Jesus would?? Are you wrong as well??

Everyone is capable of saying nice things at times even evil people. Wolves in sheep's clothing do not act outwardly evil. Even the devil that I do not believe in knows the word of god does he not?

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@izzythepush,

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His argument is like refusing to see a doctor when you're unwell, because they used to give people mercury.

My argument is more like refusing to believe a book to be moral when it had immorality in it in the past, and the only differences in the words of that book today are that they are in a different language. Same immorality no mater how you try to candy coat it. Wink

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@reasoning logic,

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Does it say anything bad about homosexuals?

It says something to the effect that one should not spill one's seed upon stony ground.

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@spendius,

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It says something to the effect that one should not spill one's seed upon stony ground.

You do have to admit that someone poured theirs all over you but look what good it did. Drunk

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@reasoning logic,

So for you Christianity just boils down to the Bible, and more importantly what a bunch of Bithynian bureaucrats decided should be kept in, and what should be left out, way back in 325 CE. Sounds like you're stuck in time, you're not much of an evolutionist if you deny social evolution.

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@izzythepush,

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So for you Christianity just boils down to the Bible

Where I live here in the U.S. the bible is the absolute word of god according to most of the Christians that I know and according to gay rights. "many other rights of the past seem to reflect that as well.

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more importantly what a bunch of Bithynian bureaucrats decided should be kept in, and what should be left out, way back in 325 CE. Sounds like you're stuck in time

I am afraid that you are correct that we are stuck in the past on this issue of believing.

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you're not much of an evolutionist if you deny social evolution

I can see that it has evolved but the bible thumping has not.

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@reasoning logic,

Not 100% sure what you're saying, but why are you arguing with Spade about what your local homophobic Bible-bashing Christians believe as opposed to what he believes?

Most people think Leviticus is a load of old bollocks anyway, why not challenge Spade on his attitude towards shaving?

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@izzythepush,

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Well, the Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy
The law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers

Bob Dylan. Jokerman.

The reason the homophobics are brought into the argument is that they really can't do without them. They can make an argument from victimisation rather than from any principles and they trawl the net looking for examples of homophobia in any far away corner they can find.

If they can get legalised same-sex "marriage" at the national level they can then use other legislation to force the Roman Catholic Church to perform same-sex ceremonies and thus destroy the Church in the USA.

Then the religion of 80 million Americans is wrecked on behalf of a much smaller number of homosexual activists.

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@izzythepush,

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you're not much of an evolutionist if you deny social evolution.

They need to deny social evolution.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Ryan.

It's natural for us to fall for someone in life.. Sometimes a person ticks all the boxes.. But, if they are in an abusive relationship, you have heart, they will remain in that, as in their mind, they have been conditioned and feel worthless but, love the person they are with because the person is controlling. And, in that, makes them feel that they are the only one that would ever love them, no one else ever will.

You are fighting a battle there that you can not win.

But, also I feel that you so badly want love that this person in her vulnerabilty you want to save.

Here is the thing.

You can not save anyone in that instance, they have to want to save themselves, they have to realise that they are someone..She hasn't.

Do you not want an assertive woman who knows what she wants? Do you know what you want?

Money is claimed to be the root of all evil, but then, women want to feel safe, that they can achieve together, in togetherness.

You say you don't need money. But sweet, be it as that is true, if one person works and you do not, would that work?

What is your future plans? At 30.

Can love alone build a foundation?

Do we not have debts and bills ?

Do you find someone that is ok, with living for today with the oldern days philopshy of love will conquer all, it is off course possible, naturally.

But you need to see this woman, although controlled, has no assertiveness , little belief in self.. And so.. Will remain with this man.. You can't save her and you can't dream that dream...

Time to move on..

The only way you can save her is to make her believe in "herself" that she is important....

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