Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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If a tornado takes out a church and kills people, I think it was the Devil, yes...

And you think that God was was so powerful but he could not create a world without sin, Just create it were no one had an interest in doing it?

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My question to you...If an atheist is saved by a nun, is it God, yes or no?

It was a nun just like you stated, What was so hard about realizing that?

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If an atheist, is killed by a nun, is it the Devil, yes or no??

Again it was a nun that did the killing just like you stated, What was so hard about realizing that?

If no to both, what would compose one of them to save, and the other to kill? Since they both say they embrace the same living God??

Two different nuns with different circumstances.

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@reasoning logic,

You're getting believing in God rl.

If there's no God your post is nonsensical.

The idea that if God is responsible for everything He is responsible for all the evil and therefore He's a bad God and we shouldn't believe in bad Gods has got better men than you tangled up in knots. We have to believe in Him to make Him responsible.

If God does not exist then evolution is responsible for all the evil and if you believe in evolution you must accept its evil.

Christianity is a desperate and possibly futile attempt to counteract that. Necessarily very long-drawn out due to how long the DNA had been developing and the Selfish Gene running things.

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@spendius,

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Christianity is a desperate and possibly futile attempt to counteract that.

Maybe I am wrong but I think that the truth would be best no matter how inconvenient it may seem.

I think that the truth would be a good starting point and then we could work our way forward from there.

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Spendius you never did comment on how the church In 1599, Pope Clement VIII gave the ok for castrated young boy's to sing in the Church. This went on for the next 280 years or so until Pope Leo in 1878 finally stopped it. Two hundred and eighty years of castrating young boy's with the Pope and the Church giving approval for this barbaric procedure so the Church could have high pitched singers because women were not allowed to sing in the Church. The boy's were called the castrati and the Church sanctioned it. How on God's good earth could an institution who say's that it comes from God condone the mutilation of young boy's and let it go for so many years and so many pope's not doing anything about it and even approving it is beyond me.

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I think you all, will all get a laugh out of this one...

Logic remember this commercial??

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@reasoning logic,

They were big stars and in great demand. It was a career. Sexual potency is not necessarly lost I have read. It depends how it is done. Two bricks is best to be able to hit high C at sixty.

Some became very rich.

People choose to have mutilations done on themselves all the time and have done everywhere in history. Why are you so obsessed about the testicles.

If a Pope puts an end to an established practice the Church must have been disapproving for a long time previously. It doesn't rush to judgement.

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@reasoning logic,

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I agree with you about atheist being immoral but we do have to honest about who receives the majority of money to teach morality, "it is the churches. I personally think that if the money was given to the poor and we all helped each other out instead of going to church on Sunday we would have a much saner society. Wouldn't make you feel good to help someone out? I know it makes me feel good when I help others out.

I help people out all the time...I give them the only money I have, and help out, in many other ways...I do not need to go thru a church to help people...But churches do institute good morals, and helping people out...For the most part....Just look at Christian Children's Fund...

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@reasoning logic,

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And you think that God was was so powerful but he could not create a world without sin, Just create it were no one had an interest in doing it?

If he is, Sure he could have...But just because humans think this is the best scenario, Does not mean it is the best scenario...If a God is real, and is all knowing, and powerful, then there must be a reason as to why the world is not like that...

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It was a nun just like you stated, What was so hard about realizing that?

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If an atheist, is killed by a nun, is it the Devil, yes or no??

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Again it was a nun that did the killing just like you stated, What was so hard about realizing that?

Because, if they claim to be one and the same, but they are NOT one and the same, then there is a difference, and they are not just a nun...Like you purport...That is my point...

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Two different nuns with different circumstances.

But yet, they "claimed to be" for the same thing?

Why would they "be" so drastically different, if they are the same?

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@reasoning logic,

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Maybe I am wrong but I think that the truth would be best no matter how inconvenient it may seem.

I think that the truth would be a good starting point and then we could work our way forward from there.

Wow, thank whatever that you have finally come to your senses, RL.

The truth would be best (or better) no matter how inconvenient it may seem.

For me, the truth is that I do not know if a GOD exists...I do not know if gods exist...I do not know if there are no gods...and the evidence I have available is not sufficient nor unambiguous enough to make a meaningful guess in either direction.

What is "the truth" for you, RL?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

That was a bit funny Ryan. I found a song that you need to learn and sing to your girlfriend one day when you are ready to pop the question.

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@Frank Apisa,

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What is "the truth" for you, RL?

The truth is that we all have been lied to about many things and maybe it is time to realize it. Idea

Good to see you Frank where have you been, I hope that every thing is well with you,

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@reasoning logic,

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Spendius you never did comment on how the church In 1599, Pope Clement VIII gave the ok for castrated young boy's to sing in the Church. This went on for the next 280 years or so until Pope Leo in 1878 finally stopped it. Two hundred and eighty years of castrating young boy's with the Pope and the Church giving approval for this barbaric procedure so the Church could have high pitched singers because women were not allowed to sing in the Church. The boy's were called the castrati and the Church sanctioned it. How on God's good earth could an institution who say's that it comes from God condone the mutilation of young boy's and let it go for so many years and so many pope's not doing anything about it and even approving it is beyond me.

Spendius, does not even have to explain it, I will...You see, whether Saint Peter or not (the Pope) He is still a human, and not Christ, so there will be things wrong and problems along the way...The Church is not perfect, and never will be....If in 1000 years from now...And atheism has had a millennium to be practiced...or done, however you want to word it...You do not believe they will look back at you guys, and think some of the things you do are evil? Or wrong? Of course they will!!

It is no different here with a Church and people who follow Jesus....You seem to not understand that...That just because people embrace a God, they in fact will replicate this God (Jesus) and be perfect? It does not work like that, and it never will...That is why he is God...And the fact, that atheists do the same exact thing...And act similar, tells me, it will be just the same in the future, as they copy things that theists do...Maybe some day they will realize, they are just in denial about God...Or at the very least, they will accept that they have a belief, or a religion of doubting God, one day...

Then the future generations will realize, that a Christian pointed this out 1000 years earlier, and it will help the Christians of that time out...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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If an atheist, is killed by a nun, is it the Devil, yes or no??

I have never seen a devil have you? I do not believe in things that are dreamed up unless there is some sort of substantial evidence to support it.

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@reasoning logic,

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The truth is that we all have been lied to about many things and maybe it is time to realize it. Idea

That is "Your personal truth" My personal truth...Is that a God never has Lied, and there is no need to even question him...

The reason I say this, is because it is easy to see that most atheists, who are on the opposite side, Clearly have a belief, of being against any potential Gods, not really anything to do with "thinking there is no such thing"

So by rational deduction, the atheists have provided the proof, they say they are looking for...But do not even realize it...!! Idea

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Good to see you Frank where have you been, I hope that every thing is well with you,

It is good to see you again Frank!! Still taking time off your golf game??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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That is "Your personal truth" My personal truth...Is that a God never has Lied,

Are you certain that it is not a universal truth? I personally have not met anyone who has claimed that a God has ever lied have you?

I think that theist, and atheist alike can agree on that one, I would include agnostics but I am sure that Frank might think that it could be possible for a god to lie 2 Cents

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@reasoning logic,

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I have never seen a devil have you? I do not believe in things that are dreamed up unless there is some sort of substantial evidence to support it.

Would you consider being raped by the Devil substantial evidence? Or did I just imagine it? If so, why would I want to imagine being raped by the Devil?? And not imagine being in Heaven all the time? Since I think I am right, just like most people do...

I can not make you experience something, that God does not want you to experience...You would either have to take my word for it...Or believe, I am a total bullshitter...

Again, it comes down to leaps of faith...Or doubting...there is no other way...If you want an experience like it...Say a prayer to Jesus Christ, but not in a way of testing him, such as let me see three camels walk thru my bedroom right now, and I will believe you...

Say the prayer, open your mind to possibilities, and do not set up reasonable expectations, and you too will be a believer some day...

Or will at the very least, have an experience, in order to give you a choice about it...Rather than thinking you have been lied to, and want to realize the truth about it.....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Would you consider being raped by the Devil substantial evidence? Or did I just imagine it? If so, why would I want to imagine being raped by the Devil??

I am truly sorry that you have been raped and that does answer some of the questions that I have about you. There are sick people in this world but I wish there were not.

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@reasoning logic,

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Are you certain that it is not a universal truth?

Does not matter...

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I personally have not met anyone who has claimed that a God has ever lied have you?

No, But what then, would make you think, a God could in fact Lie to you, or would even do it, if he could??

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I think that theist, and atheist alike can agree on that one, I would include agnostics but I am sure that Frank might think that it could be possible for a god to lie

If a theist, and an atheist agree on that one, then it seems that atheists are closer to a theistic side, then the other way around! 2 Cents

Which purports what I have said probably 12 times or so...They have a belief, and the belief, is God is wrong, or evil because....

Nothing at all to do with thinking there is no such thing...

Al though there are a few who seem to think this way...Most do not...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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They have a belief, and the belief, is God is wrong, or evil because....

Nothing at all to do with thinking there is no such thing...

I see that you still do not understand atheism.

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@reasoning logic,

RL & SpadeMaster...I've been right here. Just have not been involved in the threads you people have. I have been following things, though...and I saw that remark about "truth"...and thought I might ask a question about it.

RL, you wrote:

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The truth is that we all have been lied to about many things and maybe it is time to realize it.

Copy. No problem there. We have indeed...and I think most of us realize it.

But that really does not answer the question I asked in the context in which I asked it.

Any chance I can interest you in doing that. It is important.

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