@reasoning logic,
Quote:Why do you ask a question you already have an answer for? You tell me this answer to why Christians can not have a morality that is above what Jesus taught.
That is exactly what I am saying, Christians do not believe they have a morality higher than what Jesus taught, they know they suck at it...But atheists believe that they are above this morality or anything like it, simply because they "think" they do not suck at it? So therefor, the morality must be wrong? Or people should not try to abide by it? What other kinds of morality would people not suck at? That would also be good to implement?
Do most atheists suck at Marvin Katz morality? yes, the do....
Quote:I personally do not think that Jesus taught us to pursue after our enemies. Other than him saying bring thine enemies here and slay them before me. I think that the church made that line up because that does not seem to go along with Jesus' teachings.
Maybe so, but it should not be a double standard in the eyes of an atheist...If what Jesus taught was morally right, then all should abide by it, If an atheist thinks that the morality is not important because no one keeps it...Then they should not laugh, and snicker or look down upon ones, who embrace faith, and KNOW they suck at morality...Because what atheists are doing, is worse...
Quote:I am not sure that they are but I hear some politicians saying some things and I have never heard Christians denouncing these things. Have you ever heard so called Christians saying horrible things about Bradly Manning?
No, I have not heard it, what are they saying? There is injustice with morality everywhere, and just because you are a Christian does not mean you will be perfect at being moral...And no other method, would people be perfectly moral either, unless everyone embraced do whatever the hell you want all the time...But that then, is not really any kind of morality at all...
Quote:That is the point he is making, "that Christians are making a mockery by the things they teach "not" to do but yet they do them, "they are being hypocritical.
Yes, they are, but so is every person who thinks they are moral all the time, when they are in fact not...If they have some sort of honest morality...
So his point means nothing, is my point...
Quote:How do you try not to go to your neighbor's country and enforce the petrodollar? How do you try not joining the military but yet you join?
How can an atheist, say that Jesus' followers are morally wrong by not listening to Jesus, and then think they are not morally wrong, by doing what Jesus says not to do, and in the process, laugh or look down upon a Christian, as a moral thing? When they are doing the same exact things? So either Jesus was right, and they do not believe they are being immoral, But them laughing about it destroys that fact...Or they in fact see relevance in what Jesus said, and are even worse, as they think that just because they find peace with the morality they accept, is in fact not being immoral, such as Bill saying violence jokes about Osama, and other things....
Quote:I am sorry that you take offense by it but many people see most Christians as being retarded when it comes to some areas of thought."like reality. We sometimes laugh at what people do when they are acting out childish or silly. It is not that you intentionally poke fun at a child when he behaves silly but we do it none the less at times.
Thank you for saying you are sorry...Would it offend you, if Christians got together on a late night show, and laughed at atheist morals? Would you think we were just poking fun at what we "believe" is irrational moral thinking?
You have to admit, Katz has it right, even if he is wrong (atheism)
Bill has it wrong, even if Christians are wrong...