Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@BillRM,

He's not advocating torture though. He thinks your view is irrational and harms mankind.

here you go Bill, a perspective from someone with math, physics, and science...."from his perspective" (a believer) since your so SURE I don't understand these concepts...

http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/file_index.asp?SeriesId=7132&pgnu=

go to the page and download the links, and listen to his hypothesis...I think you guys who harp on science, philosophy, math, physics, metaphysics... etc, should at least find his "views" interesting....

if any of you are interested, his name is Father Robert J. Spitzer, and this comes from his book called, "New Proof For the Existence of God"

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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if any of you are interested, his name is Father Robert J. Spitzer, and this comes from his book called, "New Proof For the Existence of God"

I would settle for old Proof For the Existence of God!

Do you realize that what ever you believe, "you will make evidence and find evidence to back up your claims? {confirmation bias}

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@izzythepush,

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He's not advocating torture though. He thinks your view is irrational and harms mankind.

He believes in demons however and I would bet a large amount of money demons that could and does in fact take over humans.

That is just a short short step from justifying doing whatever is needed to drive out the demons in order to save the person soul if not his body.

See a history book on the subject for more details.

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@reasoning logic,

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Yes I have heard of people with mental problems being tormented by religious people of the past. Today we have a word {evil} for behavior that we disagree with and at times we for the most part agree that the behavior is not productive but I do think in the future that many behaviors will be seen similar as a person with diabetes, we will just have different ways of dealing with these problems. Who knows we may label some people as having Christian psychosis!

Do you REALLY believe such a thing exists? why then is there not, Islamic Psychosis? Buddhist? Hindu? Taoist? etc...why do people who experience these visions and dreams, or (your definition) see Christ, or Mary? why are there not Atheist Psychosis? giving "faith" to Atheism??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Atheist is simply not being a theist, adding more to it is like adding more to theism!

Would theistic psychosis be more appropriate?

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@reasoning logic,

the same hold true to your Atheism, too then doesn't it?

the reason it called "new" is because if you took the time to listen to it which I doubt, he's taking modern day math, physics, metaphysics, science etc, and giving his "views" please either take the time to listen to it before judging it, or don't comment on it please....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Would theistic psychosis be more appropriate?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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the same hold true to your Atheism, too then doesn't it?

What is the same?

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@reasoning logic,

but you only answered part of my question....why would people around the world have these visions and dreams etc (psychosis as you called it) and ACTUALLY see Jesus, Mary, and the opposite side in Satan, and demons, if there is no validity to these visions and dreams?? sometimes like in my case, I WAS Atheist, and was converted by the experience....what or who has authority to do these things if not a said God? why does it exist? again, why does it NOT happen in other religions? again, unless the story of Jesus is TRUE, and our modern day science, is wrong in saying these visions, are delusional or hallucinations etc....I have a greater "grip" on life than a lot of people who claim my visions are not real....but even say they "know" God...but don't fully support it....or people who claim there is no God, and call me delusional....example: Bill saying I'm ignorant, and delusional, and insulting, but at the same token WILL not GO OUT OF HIS WAY to tell a fellow Atheist to withstand from such childish behavior as insulting me for having a different view...I have no problem speaking and correcting nonbelievers as WELL as BELIEVERS....why is the same not done just out of shear respect from Atheists? or how could you deny that that is not true Hypocracy, just like so many Atheists harp about that existing in ANY religion?

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@reasoning logic,

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What is the same?

this...

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Do you realize that what ever you believe, "you will make evidence and find evidence to back up your claims? {confirmation bias}

the same hold true to your Atheism, too then doesn't it?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

and please don't even waste your time in saying it's not the same because Atheism doesn't or has lack of belief....because simply put whether you piddle or paddle around it or try to be cunning or evasive...ultimatly having congealing ideals that accept ONE thing such, NO existance of God, IS a belief...it is the belief of the lack of belief in ANY theism....that is why it is labeled ATHEISM...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You may find this very odd but I love you and all of mankind and I want everyone to question everything they believe. There should be noyhing to taboo to question!

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.why would people around the world have these visions and dreams etc (psychosis as you called it) and ACTUALLY see Jesus, Mary, and the opposite side in Satan, and demons, if there is no validity to these visions and dreams??

Did you see Jesus and Mary? Do you believe everything you are told about history? I doubt that you do.
Many people around the world believe in different gods than you but just because they believe in them does not make them true. I am sorry about people making fun of you and some times out of ignorance I poke fun at believing and out of greater ignorance I may poke fun at a believer and I hope to see this ignorance end!
I try not to poke fun at a person in general but I am sure that it may seem as I fail at times!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I don't need knowledge at my finger tips, when I have Wisdom from God himself....

So you are planning on sharing your Wisdom from god with the rest of mankind as in the case of Muhammad or Jim Jones of Jonestown fame by beginning a religion/cult?

Perhaps some gold plates as in the example of Joseph Smith

Are you planning on proving your connection to god by bringing a rotting corpse or two back to life or even just walking on water?

A strange god that care about one type of animal on one tiny planet in a vast universe and yet can not just do a wide band broadcast of his wishes and desires to all of mankind but need to act by way of agents such a Muhammad, Jesus, Jim Jones and such including you for that matter.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Do you realize that what ever you believe, "you will make evidence and find evidence to back up your claims? {confirmation bias}

the same hold true to your Atheism, too then doesn't it?

I do not see how it can be the same because there is no evidence involved in being an atheist It is a lack of evidence that brings us to our view point!

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@reasoning logic,

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I do not see how it can be the same because there is no evidence involved in being an atheist It is a lack of evidence that brings us to our view point!

One proven beyond question supernatural event in history would be useful in teaching us atheists a lesson but we are still waiting for the one event to occur.

Sun/earth standing still for example and as the bible god had claimed to had pull that trick off already it should not be too must for him to do so again.

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@BillRM,

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He's not advocating torture though. He thinks your view is irrational and harms mankind.

He believes in demons however and I would bet a large amount of money demons that could and does in fact take over humans.

That is just a short short step from justifying doing whatever is needed to drive out the demons in order to save the person soul if not his body.

See a history book on the subject for more details.

Maybe you could read a book first, before you start recommending any. Your twisted logic is no different from J Goldman's.

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@izzythepush,

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Maybe you could read a book first, before you start recommending any

Read a book how funny you are LOL.

I remember once on returning to school from the summer vacation as a youngster and the teacher asking her new class to give her a list of all the books we had read that summer and my list took all of three single space type pages.

I had even read the King James bible any numbers of times always being shock once more of the evil and small minded god that is portrait in that book. Footnote the Mormon bible if anything is worst.

Of course my reading did tend more to cover the scientific subjects then the religion ones.

Still I did enjoyed readings such works as Thomas Paine the Age of Reason and Asimov book the Intelligent Man Guide to the Bible all before reaching high school age.

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@BillRM,

Well, you wouldn't know it, judging by the way you write. Did none of it sink in? Really, there's a thirteen year old girl whose sentence construction is significantly better than yours.

If you want people to think you're so terribly clever, perhaps you could try sounding like someone who has read a book for once.

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@izzythepush,

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perhaps you could try sounding like someone who has read a book for once.

Do you mean like the bible?

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