Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@reasoning logic,

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I do find it odd that Ryan can question you about your ideology but he does not seem to have an interest in questioning the source of the bible and the people who have always been so corrupt, the same people who have governed the information that is in the bible.

What makes you believe I do not? From what I can feel and experience...The Bible is right about most of what it says...It was definitely divinely Inspired...And I list exactly what I think is wrong, or needs to be changed with the religion, or embraced that isn't....and what and why the Church might be going in the wrong directions about certain things....

There is no reason for me to question the source of the Bible...to many reasons to me why it is truthful than not....And God is behind it....

And if people are so corrupt, but yet it stands....and has not been destroyed....Just shows it is a true God, with unjust people....especially if it survives....

Not that everything about it is corrupt....

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@FOUND SOUL,

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Just on a side note as I have a sense of humor.

He has a very "dry" sense of humor and I'm betting that those sexual comments are part of it.... I kind of sometimes laugh at some of the sentances. I don't think it's fair to accuse like "sexually frustrated" unless one knows for sure.. Although that would make him more Christian if he is forgoing sex, unless he is married off course.

It irks me, he is always talking about it....And in the context he gives...he makes it seem as through there are major problems all over the world with people about it...But what he does not understand, to me, is that a lot of it, is in his own head....And honestly, I do not think it is funny...A lot of people do struggle with sex, and sexually motivated things...It is no joke to them....I personally feel for them....Not his jokes about them....

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Hi Ryan glad to see you back.. Hope you are sleeping "some" ...

I have been, and thanks!!!.... Wink

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@spendius,

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I think all those who call themselves Christians who are not Catholics are fake. Including the Archbishop of Canterbury. Most atheists are fake as well.

Fair enough too.. But what about those that actually "believe" there is a God and are not Christians.. I am sure that, that's fine... What is a Christian anyways? Seriously... Someone who believes in Christ? Full stop?

I think too many people just go stupid with the Titles.

My opinion....

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@FOUND SOUL,

I can answer it from my perspective, but I am not sure what he thinks it is...

A Christian is someone who does at least those 3 things I listed, in Romans 10:9 of the Bible...

And then they can go as deep as Catholic or not....

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@spendius,

I just want 2 answers, and please be as genuine and truthful as possible...

Why do you consider yourself an atheist, and Not a Catholic?

And what are these social reasons which you back the Church, but ultimately are an atheist?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Can't he be both?

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@FOUND SOUL,

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But what about those that actually "believe" there is a God and are not Christians.. I am sure that, that's fine...

I would say, that most of them, are smart enough to know who God truly is...And when it is shown to be Jesus Christ, they will accept him, and be granted into Heaven....For one can see by the inwardness of the person, if they truly know God or not....It is in their heart...It is not a title....

Now the Catholic perspective of this...Would be something like....If you do not do the sacraments of the Church, Go to confession...Give 10% of your earnings as alms giving...Commit anyone of the seven deadly sins....etc....You do not know God, nor are faithful....

With which I disagree with that...

It is a man or women's heart that decides their "faith" and path...Not some doctrines, or creed of a Church....

As something that are in the Creed of the Church, and not even in the Bible....Which shows that The Church is run by men, who fall short of God just like us...and is not 100% right about everything....

So I have no resentment to the Church, toward taking my faith in Christ serious enough, to bring these subjects to mind in a letter to the Pope....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Fair too ...

Like I said a Christian though just needs to believe in Christ or else what the shirt does the word mean Smile

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@izzythepush,

Based upon your video...I guess he can!! Wink

j/k

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@FOUND SOUL,

Exactly! So, there is no such thing as a fake one...Either you believe those 3 things and are one...Or you don't, and are not....

If anyone is a fake one, it is him for saying others who do those 3 are fake....and him telling them why based upon the Church....But at the end of the day...He does not do what is necessary to be deemed a Christian...Nor does he even fully embrace the Church....As he is an atheist....

It is an absolute ridiculous claim...And an insult to both sides....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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What makes you believe I do not? From what I can feel and experience...The Bible is right about most of what it says...It was definitely divinely Inspired..

If you think that people like Spendius are divine than yes I guess you could call the bible divinely inspired because it was people like Spendius who helped compile it. "The nice things that you see in bible come out of moral philosophy and then there are the signs that are a type of art or sophistry used by some sociopaths to hypnotize those who are easily inspired by fairy tails..

The way I see it is the bible does have some nice things in it and also a whole lot of bullshit just like any other man made book that deals with religion. It is psychological for people to believe in gods and it is also normal for there to be people like Spendius, "others who just believe without evidence and preach it, and then you have some sociopaths that come to take advantage of the god delusions.

Come on Ryan do you really think that there is a God behind the work of this man who claims he is the son of God? If he could have it wrong why couldn't you have it wrong? Do you think that a God loves you more than the millions of people who follow him?

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

If you think that people like Spendius are divine

How do you come to that conclusion?

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@izzythepush,

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How do you come to that conclusion?

Ryan thinks that the bible is divinely inspired.
The way I see it is that it takes all kinds of people to make up the church. I have read some of the works of Thomas Aquinas, St Augustine and others and have come to the conclusion that there were many other people like Spendius who made up the church and helped to canonize the bible.

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@reasoning logic,

How do you come to the conclusion that Spademaster thinks Spendius is divine?

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@izzythepush,

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How do you come to the conclusion that Spademaster thinks Spendius is divine?

I do not, It is a figure of speech. If he thinks the bible is divinely inspired, then shouldn't he be be logically consistent and think that people like Spendius are also divine or at least divinely inspired because he too promotes the bible?

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@reasoning logic,

That is not logical, that's just your spin on things.

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@izzythepush,

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That is not logical, that's just your spin on things.

How do you like the spin the Vatican is in?

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@reasoning logic,

I'm not particularly bothered either way.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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You can, as you're doing, and no one is gonna stop you...but it makes you hypocritical, and gives you zero credibility about them both...Christianity, and atheism....Or certainly no reason at all, for anyone on either side to take you serious about either one of them...

I'm not bothered about having zero credibility. I'm making an argument that you are a destructive force in regard to Rome and that is the flagship of Christian thinking today. You seem unaware that the industrial, technological and communications revolutions we are living through have anything to do with a bunch of peasants scrabbling desperately for survival in desert conditions 2000 or more years ago. Claims to be hearing God's message are ten-a-penny through the ages and were, in those days, communicated as far as a person could shout. Now you have a world wide audience.

Judging from the length of your post, which I will return to when I am less busy, you take me seriously. I'm used to being on and off Ignore as often as a bridegroom's trousers.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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And that is a completely, irrational, fake statement yourself....

It was a statement which every thoughtful Catholic agrees with. There are Anglican clergymen who also agree with it and are agitating for closer union with Rome not stopping short, in some cases, of being reabsorbed into its fold.

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That A way to find God and be saved....
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I have no interest in being saved. I don't even know what it means. For you to tell people to follow you in order that they be saved is downright sick. You don't know what it means either. Everybody knows that saving people from something is what control freakery is all about beneath the platitudes. Usually preceded by frightening them.

Without an authority the supposed rock is just a pile of sand.

Of course you have a right to believe what you want but when you preach it others have the right to examine you on it. Getting unpleasant about them doing so is neither here nor there and doesn't affect me in the slightest.

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For you wish to tell me why I am wrong, but at the same time, you are also talking with me

And I am also talking to others. This is not a private conversation.

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and I have the right to my own opinions anyways, as I am not Catholic?

Of course. So does every other non-Catholic. There can be as many opinions as there are non-Catholics and yours has no special claim to any validation other than your own.

I could easily discredit atheism by promoting in its name some of the more obvious possibilities it can embrace which are not illegal.

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